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[BigBadHarv]

as in title.
i have a high k/d, im often the top/2nd on my team scoreboard wise, i do a lot of damage and am a good player. why then is my win rate pretty much 50/50?

[Syllogy]

Because you are getting matched with people that have a similiar elo, so your chance to win is very close to your chance to lose.

Killing things doesn't necessarily translate to winning.

[Adridos]

Syllogy, on 31 May 2013 - 08:49 AM, said:

Because you are getting matched with people that have a similiar elo, so your chance to win is very close to your chance to lose.

Actually, no. Unless there is 16 people of the same ELO waiting for a match, he gets thrown as a filler to compensate for the low elo of his teammates.

[BigBadHarv]

Syllogy, on 31 May 2013 - 08:49 AM, said:

Because you are getting matched with people that have a similiar elo, so your chance to win is very close to your chance to lose.

Killing things doesn't necessarily translate to winning.

yes i know this. i often try and take command in the games a show ppl where to go and tell them not to ****** charge. i communicate everything too.

[IceSerpent]

BigBadHarv, on 31 May 2013 - 08:55 AM, said:

yes i know this. i often try and take command in the games a show ppl where to go and tell them not to ****** charge. i communicate everything too.

When, as Adridos said, you get thrown in as a filler for a low Elo group that's been sitting in a queue for a while, communication attempts are usually an exercise in futility. Most of the time you can tell at the beginning of the match - when you see half of your team alpha-striking the terrain for no apparent reason, you can bet your favorite Atlas that you've just landed in Elo hell.

[Chavette]

Because you are mainly pugging. Nothing wrong with that, even King Pop himself had a measly 55/45 w/l with a 3.65 KD only pugging.

[Ryokens leap]

Maybe OP is too focused on KDR and chasing easier target to "get that kill" instead of working with the team to kill actual priority targets. Nothing more annoying than seeing heavies and assaults breaking off to kill DCs while rest of team engages live targets short handed. Or seeing half the team shooting each other while trying to kill a stripped mech instead of moving on to armed targets. PGI allowing players to see KDR was a huge mistake and detrimental to the game.

[BigBadHarv]

Ryokens leap, on 31 May 2013 - 10:24 AM, said:

Maybe OP is too focused on KDR and chasing easier target to "get that kill" instead of working with the team to kill actual priority targets. Nothing more annoying than seeing heavies and assaults breaking off to kill DCs while rest of team engages live targets short handed. Or seeing half the team shooting each other while trying to kill a stripped mech instead of moving on to armed targets. PGI allowing players to see KDR was a huge mistake and detrimental to the game.

but im not. im consistently doing the right thing for my team. k/d to me doesnt mean much, id prefer to win the games and play as such.

Edited by BigBadHarv, 31 May 2013 - 11:50 AM.

[Ryokens leap]

BigBadHarv, on 31 May 2013 - 11:47 AM, said:

but im not. im consistently doing the right thing for my team. k/d to me doesnt mean much, id prefer to win the games and play as such.

Sorry brother but you're the one that brought up ur stats in a game that is still in beta, with unbalanced matchmaker, unbalanced weapons and no in game chat. Just hang in there, the future looks bright.

[p00k]

a "good" kdr is subjective. maybe your kdr isn't that good after all. my kdr correlates with my win/loss quite closely, R2=0.85. so yeah, kill more, die less, and you'll win more.

alternately, win more and you should die less, which should inflate your kdr. which is cause and which is effect? who knows?

[Jestun]

This thread was posted twice and I seem to have replied in the quiet one.

Jestun, on 01 June 2013 - 06:38 AM, said:

A "kill" is actually "Got last hit on a mech", it is recorded exactly the same whether you do 100% or 1% of the damage to that mech (or its center torso, engine or however else you want to measure it).

This means your KDR is a very limited reflection of your performance unless you only take part in completely even and fair duels.

[Chavette]

^
Dogma from those with a low K/D or easily buy into things.

1, K/D takes every match you fight into account(unless you don't kill and don't die).
2, Every lost game will probably show up as Death. You have equal opportunity to turn the tides of the battle as your teammates. < This is representative of skill.
3, To get a kill, you have to be alive when it happens. If you position yourself bad, and die amongst the first in either/both win and lost games, your K/D will be lower. < This is representative of skill.
4, There are very few idiots who go for skillshots even after ~500 matches, so you need not to count those baddies in.

[Edustaja]

p00k, on 31 May 2013 - 05:15 PM, said:

Is your average KD seriously 11?

[Sam Slade]

I have a crap KDR on most mechs but a really good win/loss ratio(or had before I tried max damage leaderboard farming...ugh).

In those ELO of Doom matches try to find the most deciesive point on the battlefield and get there first; then fire a few shots, call out enemy spotted with ECM, anything... folks come a running when they think there will be something to kill.

Think of it as herding cats by waving tuna

Edited by Sam Slade, 01 June 2013 - 09:25 AM.

[Edustaja]

I did my stats similarily:


588 games with all mechs that have more than 20 matches played.
Mostly solo or 8-man drops included.

Not a lot of correlation between win/loss and kill/death.

Edited by Edustaja, 01 June 2013 - 09:30 AM.

[BigBadHarv]

so the consensus seems to be that it stats dont matter because the player base is so bad?

why do we have elo then?

[Evax]

If this is a "TEAM" game like PGI states in a few of its' loading screen tool tips then k/d shouldn't even be a stat.

If K/D was removed the only stat that would matter is the win/lose stat. Win/loss being the only stat would make it the most important and you might actually see pilots fill the roll each mech was intended for, instead we see players ignore the fact that people are capping their base and hunting down mechs with no weapons for a kill to boost stats.

Your k/d wouldn't look bad for standing on base and dying to prevent cap while the rest of the team got there to clean them up. You would win, ultimately making the one and only stat something to show off.

K/D promotes self-centered play, I also, find myself worrying about it even though I preach that it isn't as important as a good win/loss ratio.

Imagine no cries of "kill stealer" or a pack of lights fully capable of getting to your base in alpine ignoring it because of a wounded Atlas. QQ if you like, but if k/d was gone this game would be one step closer to being one of the best examples of a "TEAM" game.

[Lefty Lucy]

Since the game mixes pre-made groups with random players, the best way to maximize your WL record is to play in a pre-made. I don't like it, but that's just how it is.

[Soy]

Better yet, why do I have a good W:L ratio and an average K:D ratio? Oh yeah, pugging while toking. All the time. fak

[Mawai]

I've observed that it is easier to obtain a high K/D ratio in two ways

1) Mount high damage weapons ... AC/20, Gauss, PPC ... when striking a vulnerable area (like red center torso) ... high damage weapons have a greater chance of delivering the killing blow if your aim is good.

2) Intentionally hunt mechs with red torso sections ... CT for all mechs, LT/RT for ones with a likely XL engine. Lights with a red leg. If a person concentrates their attacks on the weakest opponents the odds of getting the killing blow go up. Of course the K/D is pretty meaningless since it only indicates who struck the final blow and not significance of the contribution to the kill.