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[verybad]

Elric von Rabenfels, on 05 June 2013 - 10:54 AM, said:

This - we had a specific month announced and confirmed for the Orion:

http://mwomercs.com/...updated-june-5/

You do know that that Content tracker ISN"Trun by a PGI employee don't you? Some of those things AREN'T 100% accurate. EG Mech Mortars. That was mentioned in
http://mwomercs.com/...evs-39-answers/
Here's what it actually said

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Firelizard: Given the disparity between the 0.5 ton machine guns and the 6 ton AC2, will you consider adding the mech mortar line to add low tonnage ballistic armament options?
A: Eventually, as the timeline allows for it.

Not"

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• Mech Mortars officially on the board for development
  
  

Upcoming Content Tracker is a useful thing, but it's not run by the devs. Some of it's posting are not actualy confirmed.

Edited by verybad, 05 June 2013 - 03:13 PM.

[repete]

Genewen, on 05 June 2013 - 02:15 PM, said:

What PGI wants to achieve with that is a bigger new player influx from more arcade-y games...

Well....Might be working. My recent, anecdotal experience:

* An increase of being told I suck when I kill someone

* An instance of being screamed at that I needed to be reported when I accidentally legged a team mate who walked right in front of me while I was taking a shot at a long range/hard to hit target

* An increase in people screaming in chat how much their team/some player sucks.

...So looks just like watching Halo/CoD videos and reading YouTube comments.

Edited by repete, 05 June 2013 - 03:18 PM.

[MWHawke]

Bryan Ekman, on 04 June 2013 - 08:43 AM, said:

• Third Person view will be pushed to test servers in the next 30-60 days.

So, regardless of all the feedback, 3rd person view is still going to go on?

BlackWidow, on 05 June 2013 - 02:59 PM, said:

I personally think PGI has given me nothing but quality in both service and product. Now, as far as reputation goes...(all Duke Nukem jokes aside. They didn't start that mess, they just tried to finish it) what exactly have they done to tarnish their rep?

How about 3rd person view?

[verybad]

MWHawke, on 05 June 2013 - 03:18 PM, said:

So, regardless of all the feedback, 3rd person view is still going to go on?



How about 3rd person view?

They've already said that it will by choice, so you can play with or without it and with or without other players using it. Remains to be seen, but that's similiar to what the choices in MW4 were.

repete, on 05 June 2013 - 03:10 PM, said:

People keep saying this, so I'll keep responding. No. We are not complaining about "MOAR MECHS". We're complaining about being told one thing and then something else happening (Again).

Please find ONE actual promise from a MWO dev that the Orion would be out this month.

I want the Orion too, and I've tracked it as much as I can in these forums, but I just don't recall that promise.

[SgtMaster]

verybad, on 05 June 2013 - 03:21 PM, said:

They've already said that it will by choice, so you can play with or without it and with or without other players using it. Remains to be seen, but that's similiar to what the choices in MW4 were.


Please find ONE actual promise from a MWO dev that the Orion would be out this month.

I want the Orion too, and I've tracked it as much as I can in these forums, but I just don't recall that promise.

i agree with choice...

[Grimmnyr]

Sorry, but PGI have not clearly detailed how 3rd person would be implemented. They have said it would be optional and they have. Also said that it would be a pre-game voting system (which would mean that you would get stuck in a 3rd person game if you got outvoted).

Edited by Ed Steele, 05 June 2013 - 03:32 PM.

[repete]

verybad, on 05 June 2013 - 03:21 PM, said:

Please find ONE actual promise from a MWO dev that the Orion would be out this month.

A specific reference been cited in this thread several times in recent pages so it's not hard to find (and can be inferred by other posts and comments from PGI in NGNG podcasts). YOU go find it. I'm not wasting my time to educate someone who won't educate themselves. I've got more important things to do.

SgtMaster, on 05 June 2013 - 03:25 PM, said:

i agree with choice...

So do I. And I understand choices can have consequences, some anticipated/intended and some not. Primary concern of those who are against 3PV is the advantage is has historically given over pure 1PV players. So you resolve that by not forcing 1PV players to play against 3PV players. So what is the solution if/when players get "Match not found"?

* Say "Sorry 1PV players, but the community appears to want to play in 3PV more" [1]

* Decide to take out either 3PV or 1PV (And **** off either crowd)

* Decide (Damn. There was another options which came to mind and I now can't remember)

* Something else?

...How do you measure if 3PV has been successful, and if not, and causes problems, take it out, and how do you address the people that this would **** off? Hopefully this has been though through. Given past results, I wouldn't bet money on it.

[1] - There is no come back to that. If true then those players have the choice to put up with that, playing in 3PV or not play.

[Hammertrial]

repete, on 05 June 2013 - 03:41 PM, said:

A specific reference been cited in this thread several times in recent pages so it's not hard to find (and can be inferred by other posts and comments from PGI in NGNG podcasts). YOU go find it. I'm not wasting my time to educate someone who won't educate themselves. I've got more important things to do.

How do we find something that doesn't exist? The only source you've been citing over and over again is a user generated prediction done by Syllogy, who as far as I can tell isn't a developer or community manager.

[Valdemaar]

So, in short:
More bug fixes
More payed content
Orion delayed and replaced by Quickdraw (which wasn't even announced until today)
12v12 pushed back to July (Not officially announced for June either, but given the time frames that were announced through the various interviews June was the perceived month)

What this means to me:
Mech release is subject to change at any time thus removing any possible expectation I can have. The only reason it bothers me is because the Quickdraw wasn't even announced before this post. This means that any of the other mechs that are announced could be pushed back by mechs that we have no idea of.

Seeing another aspect of Community Warfare pushed back (if only slightly) is disheartening. With such a hyped aspect of this game being continually pushed back it just leaves me to wonder what is taking so long. I know it takes time to develop functional content but with the complete lack of information on other fronts and the continual reply of "Soon" when asked for a date (and to note, "Soon" so far seems to mean a time frame between one month to one year) seeing this much anticipated feature slip is disappointing.

All in all, June seems to be a pretty lackluster month. No new map, a surprise mech that looks pretty meh, and more MC content than CBill content. I for one am not amused.

[repete]

Hammertrial, on 05 June 2013 - 03:44 PM, said:

How do we find something that doesn't exist? The only source you've been citing over and over again is a user generated prediction done by Syllogy, who as far as I can tell isn't a developer or community manager.

<sigh>. I have two options at this stage. Leave your query unanswered and leave you with an inflated sense of superiority or take the time to parse the information, which you yourself seem unwilling to do...Now if there is anything I can't stand it's a blowhard, so I choose the latter. When I get the info and citations for you, I expect:

1) An apology
2) Edit your posts, leaving your original comments and adding a retraction
3) You to ****

[Hammertrial]

Valdemaar, on 05 June 2013 - 03:51 PM, said:

So, in short:
More bug fixes
More payed content
Orion delayed and replaced by Quickdraw (which wasn't even announced until today)
12v12 pushed back to July (Not officially announced for June either, but given the time frames that were announced through the various interviews June was the perceived month)

What this means to me:
Mech release is subject to change at any time thus removing any possible expectation I can have. The only reason it bothers me is because the Quickdraw wasn't even announced before this post. This means that any of the other mechs that are announced could be pushed back by mechs that we have no idea of.

Seeing another aspect of Community Warfare pushed back (if only slightly) is disheartening. With such a hyped aspect of this game being continually pushed back it just leaves me to wonder what is taking so long. I know it takes time to develop functional content but with the complete lack of information on other fronts and the continual reply of "Soon" when asked for a date (and to note, "Soon" so far seems to mean a time frame between one month to one year) seeing this much anticipated feature slip is disappointing.

All in all, June seems to be a pretty lackluster month. No new map, a surprise mech that looks pretty meh, and more MC content than CBill content. I for one am not amused.

12v12 comes out this month on a special test server, which I think is a great plan since large updates have constantly been met with large bugs up until this point. I rather have everyone play a stable 12v12 than have forummaggedon part eleventybillion because some clients crash or HUD bugs reappear.

[MWHawke]

verybad, on 05 June 2013 - 03:21 PM, said:

They've already said that it will by choice, so you can play with or without it and with or without other players using it. Remains to be seen, but that's similiar to what the choices in MW4 were.

You have obviously not read any of the threads about 3rd person view have you?

verybad, on 05 June 2013 - 03:21 PM, said:

Please find ONE actual promise from a MWO dev that the Orion would be out this month.

I want the Orion too, and I've tracked it as much as I can in these forums, but I just don't recall that promise.

http://mwomercs.com/...emech-19-orion/

[ICEFANG13]

They also said that 3rd person view would never be in the game, as it breaks a key design pillar, so whatever is said about 3rd person and how they intend to do it is something I won't believe until its actually in game.

I honestly would not be surprised if 3rd person was just another button on the keyboard and you could switch any time. There is no evidence to support it will be done in a more honest way.

[Hammertrial]

ICEFANG13, on 05 June 2013 - 04:03 PM, said:

They also said that 3rd person view would never be in the game, as it breaks a key design pillar, so whatever is said about 3rd person and how they intend to do it is something I won't believe until its actually in game.

I honestly would not be surprised if 3rd person was just another button on the keyboard and you could switch any time. There is no evidence to support it will be done in a more honest way.

And then you read the next sentence and it all becomes clear. Enlightenment is only 10 words away!

MWHawke, on 05 June 2013 - 03:58 PM, said:

You have obviously not read any of the threads about 3rd person view have you?



http://mwomercs.com/...emech-19-orion/

Uh...half the battlemechs announced have come out of order, and theres nothing that says June 18th in that post.

Try again.

[ICEFANG13]

Hammertrial, on 05 June 2013 - 04:10 PM, said:

And then you read the next sentence and it all becomes clear. Enlightenment is only 10 words away!



Uh...half the battlemechs announced have come out of order, and theres nothing that says June 18th in that post.

Try again.

And then you re-read the part where they said they would never put 3rd person in because it breaks a key design pillar and then you are confused again.

[ICEFANG13]

It is 100% first person view only

How much is it if its not completely 1st person? Oh yeah, its not 100%.

[Noesis]

I thought the 3rd person usage was initially only intended for use in the testing grounds?

Have I missed an important announcement somewhere?

[ICEFANG13]

Unless you can fight other players in testing grounds, the 3rd person is coming, deal with it, thread indicates that you won't have to fight against other 3rd person players, it then says that you can fight with only 1st, only 3rd, and then a mix. Therefore, and I mean lies have been said, if what he said is true, then it will be in normal gameplay.

[InRev]

BlackWidow, on 05 June 2013 - 02:59 PM, said:

heated flames towards developers about broken "promises" is exactly why:

A. They don't like to promise things, expecially not too far in advance
B. They EMPHATICALLY state, and REPEATEDLY do so that ANY and ALL proposed addition/changes to the game, roadmaps, mech, maps, balance, objectives, features et al ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE AT ANY TIME.

I understand what you are saying. However, this being the case, it's pretty damned hard to become excited for the game if:

A ) one never knows what is coming down the pike
B ) there is no guarantee that what is revealed will actually be coming or in what form

One of the big points of an Open Beta is the drive up word of mouth, show off an almost finished product, and basically build a customer base for when the game goes live. Right now, we have very little idea of what is coming, how it will be implemented, when it will be released, or even if that which excited us in the first place will still be added.

Companies, or at least companies in the real world, DO have deadlines and MUST meet them. I don't understand why PGI is being held to a lower standard than every other business (including the gaming industry itself) out there and being allowed to putz about at their own pace and in their own way, customers be damned. If they can't get hack it in the real world, then they are a failed business. Emphasis on business. This isn't an art charity, where those plucky developers from Canada can express themselves freely without consequences.

Just because this is a video game doesn't mean that PGI is exempt from professionalism. When there is an exchange of money for a good or a product, people are entitled to want satisfaction and if that satisfaction is not met, then they are entitled to voice their dissatisfaction in the hopes that changes are made in order to better the product or service. I fail to see how demanding professionalism from a company that is expecting our money is so out of line.

Edit note: forum turned my B into a smiley with sunglasses

Edited by InRev, 05 June 2013 - 04:38 PM.

[Valdemaar]

Hammertrial, on 05 June 2013 - 03:56 PM, said:

12v12 comes out this month on a special test server, which I think is a great plan since large updates have constantly been met with large bugs up until this point. I rather have everyone play a stable 12v12 than have forummaggedon part eleventybillion because some clients crash or HUD bugs reappear.

Don't get me wrong, I like it when they hammer out the initial bugs before releasing stuff to the public and prefer it that way, it's just the slipping of dates that I don't like. In the previous month we started to see the signs of 12v12 in the form of seeing all three lances on the score board (it was a result of a bug it was displaying this information if I recall correctly but still.) It's just that old story of new content coming soon and soon turns out to be farther than expected.