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[Felicitatem Parco]

So, seeing the default Firebrand loadout made me curious... why would you want the hottest-class of AC with PPCs? Both are quite hot, in general, when used as a prolonged-bombardment weapon.

The only real merit I could think of was the fact that a PPC would stream along very nicely with those AC/2 bullets, each going exactly 2000 meters/second...

So, has anyone else already thought of or tried using AC/2 rounds as tracers/leaders for PPCs?

[Trauglodyte]

My entire plan was to pair the AC2 with the PPC as they have the same projectile speed. Don't have to use it as a tracer but it isn't an awful idea if you have a hard time judging aim vs speed.

[Bishop Steiner]

I had thought something along those lines.

But I doubt I will buy one to find out. I ran AC/2 and PPCs on my 6S and never did real well with it, mostly due to heat.

buts 12 tons plus ammo seems to be one heavy targeting computer!

[Trauglodyte]

Bishop Steiner, on 04 June 2013 - 06:36 PM, said:

I had thought something along those lines.

But I doubt I will buy one to find out. I ran AC/2 and PPCs on my 6S and never did real well with it, mostly due to heat.

buts 12 tons plus ammo seems to be one heavy targeting computer!

But what about the dakka? I toyed around with the 6S this weekend using the trial version and I have fallen in love with the dakka. I've loved the PPC in Battletech since I started playing back in '92 (yes, I'm a tad aged). So, dakka with the PPC is just too much love. Plus, the hero mech has "From Hell" on it which just has me thinking of Ricardo Montalban as Khan reciting "Moby [Richard]", 'From Hell's hot, I stab at theeeeeeee! For Hate's sake, I spit my last breath at theeeeeeee!'

[Bishop Steiner]

Trauglodyte, on 04 June 2013 - 06:42 PM, said:

But what about the dakka? I toyed around with the 6S this weekend using the trial version and I have fallen in love with the dakka. I've loved the PPC in Battletech since I started playing back in '92 (yes, I'm a tad aged). So, dakka with the PPC is just too much love. Plus, the hero mech has "From Hell" on it which just has me thinking of Ricardo Montalban as Khan reciting "Moby [Richard]", 'From Hell's hot, I stab at theeeeeeee! For Hate's sake, I spit my last breath at theeeeeeee!'

I get all sorts of Dakka from my free Jagers. Did Just watch Wrath of Khan about 2 days ago. Classic flick!
Now if they could license a way to have it blaring "Number of the Beast" from it's loudspeakers as it runs around the battlefield, I MIGHT consider it worth the investment.....

[Culler]

Taking one of the hottest weapons in the game from the hottest class of weapons and pairing it with the only really hot weapon from the coolest class of weapons is a poor choice. You're much better off with a cool ballistic weapon like a gauss rifle to pair with PPCs, otherwise you get to stomp around and cool off a lot.

[KeefCheef]

Does the AC5/LL build actually work well or is it just for Rifleman lovers?

[MustrumRidcully]

Prosperity Park, on 04 June 2013 - 06:28 PM, said:

So, seeing the default Firebrand loadout made me curious... why would you want the hottest-class of AC with PPCs? Both are quite hot, in general, when used as a prolonged-bombardment weapon.

The only real merit I could think of was the fact that a PPC would stream along very nicely with those AC/2 bullets, each going exactly 2000 meters/second...

So, has anyone else already thought of or tried using AC/2 rounds as tracers/leaders for PPCs?

Aren't AC/2 a bit hot for that?

[One Medic Army]

Prosperity Park, on 04 June 2013 - 06:28 PM, said:

So, seeing the default Firebrand loadout made me curious... why would you want the hottest-class of AC with PPCs? Both are quite hot, in general, when used as a prolonged-bombardment weapon.

The only real merit I could think of was the fact that a PPC would stream along very nicely with those AC/2 bullets, each going exactly 2000 meters/second...

So, has anyone else already thought of or tried using AC/2 rounds as tracers/leaders for PPCs?

I did it in closed beta for a little bit on a K2.
Yes, 2x PPCs and 2x AC/2s, on a K2, without Endo or DHS.

It was surprisingly effective.

As to now, If I was going to do such it'd definitely be on a Jager, though the K2 still has potential.

Edited by One Medic Army, 05 June 2013 - 12:42 AM.

[Karl Streiger]

Wait we are talking about 250ms.... the AC 2 will hit a target at 1000m withing 500ms, and 750ms for the AC5.

You could even use AC 2 as tracer round for AC 5 or Gauss or AC 10 - the impact of both will not differ enough to make it less usefull.

Projectile speed with more as 1000m/s could be completely ignored. I can fire AC 10 and PPCs together and they will hit the same spot.

Edited by Karl Streiger, 05 June 2013 - 12:45 AM.

[Th0rsten]

ac2 and ppc work pretty well using the ac2 as tracer.

CDA-3C

Doesn't run that hot and you have to change positions every one or two salvos anyway. Enough time to cool down.

Won't get a firebrand but if I had one I would definitely try to run dual ac2 and ppc.

@karl at a moving target, those 250ms are can be crucial as you MIGHT hit a different section on a fast moving target. One reason I fire my gauss before my ppc when I am sniping. It is no big deal if you target slow targets though.

[Karl Streiger]

Th0rsten, on 05 June 2013 - 01:23 AM, said:

@karl at a moving target, those 250ms are can be crucial as you MIGHT hit a different section on a fast moving target. One reason I fire my gauss before my ppc when I am sniping. It is no big deal if you target slow targets though.

YOu and I we have a Ping of what 120-150 ms? Do you think the remaining 100ms matter - nothing HSR will not correct for you.

[Kmieciu]

2xPPC + 2xAC5 might be a good combo - since the AC5 is the coolest auto canon out there. 30 damage pinpoint alpha up to 540 meters...

[Th0rsten]

Karl Streiger, on 05 June 2013 - 01:32 AM, said:

YOu and I we have a Ping of what 120-150 ms? Do you think the remaining 100ms matter - nothing HSR will not correct for you.

Our ping applies to both weapons, so it doesn't subtract from the difference (talking about common mode rejection)

Edit: Let us look at the numbers. The projectile velocities in meters per second:

PPC = 2000
AC5 = 1300
Gauss = 1200
AC10 = 1100

Assuming a target in a distance of 500meters they travel (in seconds):

PPC/AC2 = 0.25
AC5 = 0.38
Gauss = 0.41
AC10 = 0.45

Leading to a difference in time between the hits (again seconds):

PPC/AC2 -- AC5 = .13
PPC/AC2 -- Gauss = .16
PPC/AC2 -- AC10 = .2

Assuming a lateral movement of 108 kph which translates into 30m/s the target has moved (in meters):

PPC/AC2 -- AC5 = 3.9
PPC/AC2 -- Gauss = 4.8
PPC/AC2 -- AC10 = 6

So I guess it is definitely a possibility that your ppc will hit but your ac5 doesn't if your target is moving. Even with a bit slower target or smaller distance there are definitely enough situation in which you won't hit the same section.

Edited by Th0rsten, 05 June 2013 - 04:36 AM.