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[Bobdolemite]

Being a PUG only player I can feel your pain (to an extent) Sometimes no one listens / knows that they are doing and everyone spreads to the winds then wonders why they got picked off 1 by 1.Other times your team is amazing where everyone knows where they need to be and can react dynamically to the battle. Thats the nature of PUGs,

Somehow I cant feel bad for you though. Your post basically says "I usually run 4 man groups but tried to PUG and it was too hard, so now im going to stop trying and just wait for my teammates ezmode" This validates some of my biggest gripes about the 4 man group mindset. 90% of the time when I encounter a 4 man while pugging they start the match with trolling and derision, they continue this for the duration of the match, then when its over they troll even their own team calling them names and other childish things.

I have a suspicion that some of the more immature characters I have encountered wouldnt be able to PUG even "IF" they tried because they lack the skill and or leadership to accomplish anything. They are group feeders worthless without the pack =) and this is not all group players - ive encountered many who were actually good / critical thinkers etc but many others are mindless / functioning only inside a group of people who they can relate to.

A truly good player can be good anywhere PUGS included =) As to OP welcome to the game the rest of us have to play. Its frustrating but the experience varies from the extreme high to the extreme low, the trick is not letting yourself get upset (which I am sometimes guilty of as well)

[Mycrus]

Lowridah, on 07 June 2013 - 05:37 AM, said:

I've reached the breaking point, I will no longer drop solo into a team of randoms in this game. 90% of the time I was doin 4 mans with the clan/group/guild whatever you wanna call it but at times felt I would just grind out Cbills solo when nobody else was on. No longer. 3 matches in a row this morning spotting / calling out the direction of the enemy advance and what happens? All 3 times my team pushes the opposite direction and doesn't give a damn whats going on. Many of you probably have already reached that breaking point but I just up and quit. 4-1 in a match where the team rushes to their deaths, well see ya, Ill wait for my friends to log on.

[Tekadept]

PUgs are Fun as you dont have to think, Pugs Make you a better pilot as you learn you cant rely on anybody else and makes you more situationally aware.

But complaining when things dont go your way in a pug?

Edited by Tekadept, 07 June 2013 - 08:40 AM.

[Hellen Wheels]

Mister Blastman, on 07 June 2013 - 05:45 AM, said:

OP: Did you try using the command console? I've had a 80%+ success rate in getting people to go where I point since this last update added sound effects and notifications to it.

PUGs will listen. You just have to try and guide them. There times when they won't, however. That's part of the game.

This. People will, for the most part, pay attention to the little map markers if you use the command map; even more so now with the audible notifications, it seems. Some won't. Most at least try.

[Disapirro]

I only pug and my win ratio is 1.35. No problem here.

[Blue Footed Booby]

Neat thing about pugs is that I don't feel guilty bringing the team down with my gimmick 6 AC2 jager that goes 35 kph. Dakakakakakakaka.

I pug from time to time when I don't feel like playing for the hours and hours I tend to lose when I join a group. I've had fantastic matches and I've had terrible ones. I tend to remember only the exceptional ones, being a human and therefore vulnerable to confirmation bias. It seems to be pretty much entirely random, just as intended.

[Odins Fist]

75% of my gameplay is pugging anymore. So many people that I know have quit or are taking a break from MWO that during certain times I have no other way to play.

Pugging is fine, and it's fun until you get a team full of people that obviously can't even tie their own shoes..

Oh well

[River Walker]

Lowridah, on 07 June 2013 - 06:29 AM, said:

Good to see others know what im stating. I was typing out the ying yang trying to guide the team to where the enemy was but they all got tunnel vision on 1-2 enemy taking PPC potshots ... maybe people don't know how to read, /shrug

It has more to do with user looking at other things like aiming their shots or trying to move to cover or dealing with a light up their butt.
In this game you don't have a lot of time to read.

[Mycrus]

work as a team...
learn 2 grumble...

[DaZur]

Mycrus, on 07 June 2013 - 09:08 AM, said:

work as a team...
learn 2 grumble...

HEY!!!! That's me third from the left!

[Screech]

Puggin ain't for everyone. Some folk need bodyguards.

[Teir Dasande]

I have my best games when I pug. I dont run 4 mans very often anymore, so thats where do most of my drops. Just the other day I had my best/most entertaining match ever as a pug. Id go into detail, but lets just say 5 kills, only around 5-600 damage, with three of those kills standing on a 90% capped base being fired on from three directions. It was beautiful.

[One Medic Army]

I tend to have easier games PUGing.
Sure, sometimes you get steamrolled, but since the guys I group with don't typically coordinate builds or tactics, or even stick together, we get rolled frequently by other groups.
Not talking about my merc corp here, FYI, other people I know.

Edited by One Medic Army, 07 June 2013 - 09:44 AM.

[Rebas Kradd]

Lowridah, on 07 June 2013 - 05:37 AM, said:

4-1 in a match where the team rushes to their deaths, well see ya, Ill wait for my friends to log on.

Finally, someone who gets the game's central motif.

[Metallis]

Look the thing about Pugging is being able to adapt quickly. It's not always about being the leader or trying to get the others to follow you. Sometimes you need to be a follower. Let me explain.


When you drop take note of your lance grouping. If you’re an assault or heavy and are a slow mover, find the mech that can best support you and you it. When you find that mech you stick with them support each other. If you’re a light if you see another light tear-assing right out the gate, 99% of the time they have a purpose. Go support the light, whether it is cap pull or capping targets.


Make note of the people who are communicating in chat. If a LRM boat is asking for targets, hook them up and lock on. If you call out targets and lock on and no one fires on them, don't get mad. They could be getting attacked by a pack of lights. Check your situational awareness. Find out who on your team needs help and adjust. It’s not just about you sniping or brawling or getting your kills.


I pilot lights and what I have noticed is that light pilots don't need much communication in PUGs. We see a light we automatically move toward each other. When one light makes a move to cap or attack, we move as one. I would hope that is what you Assaults and Heavies sort of do when you pug.


What to do and look for when you PUG drop:


What type of match is it? If a cap match and you are a slow mover find another slower and support each other. Look to help out the lights that have moved ahead to cap. You know they will get jumped at one of the middle cap points. Think ahead and be there for them.


What is my lance group make-up? This is your priority for getting and giving support. PGI went to all that trouble to make it easy to find your lance group. If you see two of them move off in one direction and one goes in another, it’s your call which group to support but pick one and go watch their back.


PUGs are the ultimate challenge for real players. You have no comm, no idea what their play style is and you’re thrown together to work as a team and try to win. I love PUGs and I am very successful with them. I am adaptive to the battle situation, my team composition, and my teams’ non-verbal goals.


There are no bad PUGs, just selfish players.

[Shae Starfyre]

What I love about Pugging, and someone mentioned it above, is being the occassional hero. Die alot, but sometimes you get into the zone, and triumph, even against seemingly insurmountable odds.

[Lumpypants]

1.13 W/L ratio in nearly 2000 matches. Only ever PUG. Not one team drop. I find it very hard to feel bad for you. You've enjoyed the comparable advantage of teamwork and communications. And you can't deal with the game when those are stripped from you. It's a multi-player game.

Yes, I've seen your post where you defend premades.

" This is MechWarrior ONLINE .. a Team base multiplayer experience. If you do not like it ... Leave

If you feel its not worth playing against teams ... Leave

If you dont want to join a team due to your own Ego .... Leave"

You play PUG's.... and get slaughtered (i mean face coordinated teams)... and complain about PUG drops...

[MeiSooHaityu]

Blue Footed Booby, on 07 June 2013 - 08:47 AM, said:

Neat thing about pugs is that I don't feel guilty bringing the team down with my gimmick 6 AC2 jager that goes 35 kph. Dakakakakakakaka.

I've said it before, I will say it again, and I will say it always....Got to love the Daka.

[StonedVet]

I am, on 07 June 2013 - 06:56 AM, said:

Restated: I win so much in 4 mans, it has spoiled me. Unless I can stack the deck in my favor, I'm not playing MWO. QQ.

This is NOT what im stating, did you not read my comment???? After I was trying to help the team of PUGS they still refused to listen etc etc etc .. I am not spoiled by 4 mans etc, read or learn to read what I typed ...

[jakucha]

OP, what's your win/loss stats for both game modes?