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[Butane9000]

Because somebody called Paul's bluff and you just don't do that.

[Sephlock]

I'm dreading the hero Flea.

I'm thinking: four ballistic slots. No jump jets.

[DarkDevilDancer]

I like the flea in the TT it's fast with a decent weapon load but I don't see myself buying one I've mastered ravens spiders and jenners, maybe if MASC really makes a difference but I'm more interested in the Orion.

[stjobe]

Because it's 20 tons of pure win, that's why:



... But yeah, unless the speed cap is lifted, it's going to be painful levelling that little [child out of wedlock].

And I'm totally making a Locust; 1 ML, 2 MG. Glorious - the MWO Flea even looks a bit like a Locust. If you squint and wish

As for the Panther, I'm getting by with my COM-1D Ghetto Panther PNT-10K for now, but they'd better get it in the game soon

[verybad]

Apnu, on 07 June 2013 - 06:12 AM, said:

What possible role can the Flea fill that the Spider or Commando doesn't already do?

I can't find a decent answer for this.

Why aren't we getting a more classic light such as the Panther? Or, given the time line, the Wolfhound which just enters production on the eve of the Clan Invasion?

Can someone clue me in as to why we're getting the stupid flea?

The Panther is a medium speeded mech with weaponry that can be easily matched by the Jenner, I think a flea could tear it up. The Wolfhound has only one role (4 energy slots) and only one build at it's release. While it's good against the Panther in the TT game, it would fail against either Jenner or Raven in the game.

[Bishop Steiner]

MeiSooHaityu, on 07 June 2013 - 07:56 AM, said:

The Wolfhound I thought would be a pretty cool mech to have in the game.

small issue of variants, or lack thereof, and tbh, really boring hardpoints.

Plus only a single version at all is available before 3052. And the rest of the variants are largely Jihad or later.

[MeiSooHaityu]

Bishop Steiner, on 07 June 2013 - 09:58 AM, said:

small issue of variants, or lack thereof, and tbh, really boring hardpoints.

Plus only a single version at all is available before 3052. And the rest of the variants are largely Jihad or later.

Ahhh, bummer.

[Hammertrial]

Because us light pilots like to go fast while shouting ZOOM ZOOM into our mics as we charge at the enemy like a bat out of hell and then get legged in 3 seconds because they all saw us coming through the ravine with seismic sensor

Edited by Hammertrial, 07 June 2013 - 10:03 AM.

[Tom Sawyer]

Mount that AC20 on your flea. Show those Atlas pilots who is boss!

[stjobe]

Tom Sawyer, on 07 June 2013 - 10:14 AM, said:

Mount that AC20 on your flea. Show those Atlas pilots who is boss!

The AC/20 weighs 14 tons for the gun alone. The Flea has a maximum weight of 20 tons. Somehow I think you're going to have pieces of kit sticking out all over the place if you try to squeeze that gun in there, unless you first remove the engine and perhaps the cockpit

[TungstenWall]

A smaller Commando... i like the sound of that

tho id prefer to have arms like the Mercury or a Thorn.

[Trauglodyte]

stjobe, on 07 June 2013 - 10:32 AM, said:

The AC/20 weighs 14 tons for the gun alone. The Flea has a maximum weight of 20 tons. Somehow I think you're going to have pieces of kit sticking out all over the place if you try to squeeze that gun in there, unless you first remove the engine and perhaps the cockpit

Not possible to have an ac/20 on the Flea. It weighs 7.5 tons with an XL100 and an additional 6 HSs with Endosteel and 0 armor which only leaves you 12.5 left. An AC10 is possible, though, but no ammo. LB10 or UAC5 would be about as big as you'll get.

Edited by Trauglodyte, 07 June 2013 - 10:47 AM.

[AgroAlba]

Trauglodyte, on 07 June 2013 - 08:20 AM, said:

The Flea won't be bad. With ES, FF, and an XL engine, you'll have an extremely small profile, 150kph speed (w/ Speed Tweak), MASC, and 6-7 tons left over for weaponry.

Tonnage maybe, but I don't think there will be any way in hell you'll find the space for ES, FF, XL and MASC and then have any room left for weapons.

[General Taskeen]

It'll actually be very bad IF certain things are not balanced. Requires close range weaponry with max speed and max armor is 138. (MG's bad, SL 90M, Flamers bad) It will essentially POP with any auto-bot Streaks around.

[Der BruzZzler von Wiesndoof]

Why we are getting the Flea? Cause it will spread pure terror and i'm looking forward to pilot one of these "evil midgets"!
Tiny, half the size of a Cicada, fast as hell and heavily armed for its weightclass. 5 energy hardpoints is enormous for a 20 ton mech! Whatch your six, assaults... the anklebiters are coming!

Edited by The Birdeater, 07 June 2013 - 11:01 AM.

[Lightfoot]

It's in the contract. Read the fine print.

[DemonRaziel]

AgroAntirrhopus, on 07 June 2013 - 10:50 AM, said:

Tonnage maybe, but I don't think there will be any way in hell you'll find the space for ES, FF, XL and MASC and then have any room left for weapons.

You should be able to pull that off. 20t -1t for Endo -4t for FF (or 4.5 for standard armor) -4t for XL170 -4t for HS -1t for MASC. That's either 5.5t and 18 crits or 6t and 4 crits to work with (based on a Jenner, as I think Flea will have the same number of actuators).

If you go with SHS instead of DHS, you will have 12 crits even with FF armor, but your heat efficiency will suck behind of an ape. Especially on the energy heavy variants. Balistic heavy variants will suck as well, given the state of machine guns.

[Belorion]

Apnu, on 07 June 2013 - 06:12 AM, said:

What possible role can the Flea fill that the Spider or Commando doesn't already do?

I can't find a decent answer for this.

Why aren't we getting a more classic light such as the Panther? Or, given the time line, the Wolfhound which just enters production on the eve of the Clan Invasion?

Can someone clue me in as to why we're getting the stupid flea?

We will eventually get all of the mechs that are possible. So we will get the Wolfhound and the Panther, and the Banshee, and the Charger... etc. etc.

I for one am looking forward to the release of the Flea.

[DemonRaziel]

Belorion, on 07 June 2013 - 11:49 AM, said:

We will eventually get all of the mechs that are possible. So we will get the Wolfhound and the Panther, and the Banshee, and the Charger... etc. etc.

Wishful thinking

[Trauglodyte]

DemonRaziel, on 07 June 2013 - 11:24 AM, said:

You should be able to pull that off. 20t -1t for Endo -4t for FF (or 4.5 for standard armor) -4t for XL170 -4t for HS -1t for MASC. That's either 5.5t and 18 crits or 6t and 4 crits to work with (based on a Jenner, as I think Flea will have the same number of actuators).

If you go with SHS instead of DHS, you will have 12 crits even with FF armor, but your heat efficiency will suck behind of an ape. Especially on the energy heavy variants. Balistic heavy variants will suck as well, given the state of machine guns.

Exactly. If you skip out on MASC, you can shove in an AC2 w/ 1 ton of ammo, 1 PPC, or 1 Lrg Laser and either 2 Md Lasers or 4 Sm Lasers. There is definitely room to work there. Even with MASC, you can still drop in the Lrg Laser and 2 Smalls, 4 Mds and 2 Smalls with another HS, or 6 Mds and a lot of heat management. That isn't a lot of firepower but considering that it is on a 20 ton frame that just straight up screams, it isn't bad.