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[MechWarrior849305]

I experience lose streak atm. About 30+ matches in raw by now. Just imagine, you shoot, maneuver, hide, change position, dissipate heat, shoot again and so on. And then realize, that you're the only one left.
And so, you lose, go one point down in ELO rating, and PUG with another team, which manage to die in 30 secs again. Marry-go-round.
It's just a joke to see owned damage 250+ (average 350+) in cataphracts (eiher it Ilya or 1-X), while about 4 of your teammates have done less, than 100. It's OK, if it's blackjack, but totally funny to see D-DC or RS with 40-45 pts.

[John MatriX82]

It depends from the days, but I often run as well into big wins and then big wastes.

One thing is certain, "close matches" are those I call in the range of 5-8 to 7-8, these happen rarely; they usually make my day even when I lose, but they have become less frequent, the usual thing that happens is 1/3 of my team decide that's good to die within the first minute of play and when the other 8 have numerical advantage, you most of the times get steamrolled.

Edited by John MatriX82, 09 June 2013 - 11:54 AM.

[Kyynele]

Zerberus, on 09 June 2013 - 03:16 AM, said:

the 4P was on the other team (your had a 4SP), and there were no blackjacks at all in that match. You sure you upped the right screenie?

Yes, that's the screenshot I intended to post. I didn't take a screenshot of the massacre I was talking about, because I just wanted to forget it. In the massacre game I also could only spectator and confirm the stock builds of 2 my team members, as at that point most of my team was already dead, save for these couple that didn't know where to go in the first place. The screenshot is from an earlier game, in which the majority of the trials were on the enemy side, I had targeted those enemies and can thus be sure they were stock builds instead of just good pilots in decent mechs having a bad day.

I should've been more clear about it, sorry. I was a bit frustrated.

[General Taskeen]

If my team stomps or my team gets stomped, I just say "Good Stomp," because that's what it is a Good Stomp, not a Good Game.

[FupDup]

General Taskeen, on 09 June 2013 - 09:14 AM, said:

If my team stomps or my team gets stomped, I just say "Good Stomp," because that's what it is a Good Stomp, not a Good Game.

I do that too. Saying "Good Steamroll" has a very effective way of consistently shutting up overbearing winners.

[Ningyo]

First many people consider games that are not steamrolls to be them due to death counts. I would say almost any game with 3 or more kills for each side is close (barring some caps lets exclude cap rushes).

And I have had a few games with 0:8 outcomes that were actually very close, one time EVERY single enemy mech had yellow to red CT internals, and 3 had no side torsos, my team actually did more damage than the other team. We just never quite managed to get a finishing blow. Was it close yes, could 1 PPC spider have maybe killed all 8 if it suddenly appeared at end of game, maybe. BUT it as 0:8 so a complete blowout if that is your only measure.

Personally I think about 50% of my games are landslide victory or losses, fairly even for either. And I have not noticed any alternating. I have noticed in a landslide victory I tend to be 3rd-6th in damage for my team. And in a landslide defeat I tend to be first to second. But while this may constitute 200-300 matches it still really is not statistically relevant.

[The Platypus]

Fair distribution of both even fights and steamrolls in my ELO band. And yes I do agree that when 2 or 3 teammates decide to do a bit of 'lone scouting' in mechs larger than a Light (or a Cicada) and get promptly blown to bits by a Jager rifle team, things just kinda spiral outta control. Then there's also the wonderful matchmaker tonnage mismatch scenarios that seem to be happening more often for me. Had a match in River City Night where I was the lone assault on my team in my DDC against 5 Fatlases on the opposing side (3 DDCs, an RS and a D). Laughable odds but we managed to pull out a win when 2 of their Atlai had the brilliant idea of breaking off and trying to cap our base while the rest of their team was engaged in a firefight with ours. Only in pugs, ladies and gentlemen.

[Ihasa]

I agree with Platypus...since Elo has settled to it's proper rating, I've experienced an even distribution of steamrolls and close matches. Most steamrolls happen when there is a gross tonnage mismatch. Otherwise it's usually gg, even if my team loses.

Edited by Ihasa, 09 June 2013 - 10:07 AM.

[Tarrasque]

All I know is that I win more games than I lose.

I can live with that. Like someone earlier said, no respawns means you're seeing an exponential increase in the chances for a loss (especially a steamroll) the more mechs you lose, and the earlier you do it without taking someone down on the other side.

Everyone should be trying to get at least 1 kill/game.

[HarmAssassin]

Played for about 12 hrs yesterday, and 5-6 hrs on Friday. Of all those matches (lone wolf or in 2-3 man premades), only a couple games were close. All others were 8-0 or 0-8.


1816 wins
1670 losses

2348 kills
1856 deaths

Edited by HarmAssassin, 10 June 2013 - 05:44 PM.

[Unbound Inferno]

I find its 'even' only in the relative match number, not that its appropriate.

About half my matches are close, or what I'd call good with damaged winning teams and the other half are steamrollers one way or another.

[Hellen Wheels]

PGI/IGP's intent is to keep you playing and keep you paying.

They use the same psychology as casinos:

http://www.nytimes.c...osing.html?_r=0

You will never win. You will only be kept close enough to the carrot to make sure you keep running.

[Genewen]

I'd say about 60-70% of my matches are steamrolls (I define a steamroll as a game with 2 or less kills on one side). Those games are really not a whole lot of fun, be them against me or in my favour. It is just very noticable that ELO is trying hard keep my W/L at 50:50 and alternates between games in which I am put in a bunch of numbskulls and games in which the enemy team is full of such.

[Decadre]

I've always tended to "alternate" but with more matches in between. I'll go many matches without winning a fight, and then go a long time without seemingly suffering a loss.

[Jonathan Paine]

My subjective sense of games seem to be something like: 40% loss by steam roll, 40% win by steam roll. 20% intense matches (as in at least 3 dead on either side, cap wins with less than 20 points difference etc).

Curiously, it often seems like the matchmaker is pairing up the wrong 8 mechs. That is to say, one side gets 8 good pilots, the other side gets 8 bad. I wonder if some coder made a mistake when pairing up the correct 4+4 for either side - why on earth would it put "my" skilled 4 man group together with another skilled 4 man group, then a bunch of trial mechs on the other side?

(Disclaimer: roughly 5500 matches total, win/loss 1.15 - Elo rating should be at least ok).

Edited by Jonathan Paine, 10 June 2013 - 12:57 PM.

[Deathlike]

Vassago Rain, on 09 June 2013 - 06:02 AM, said:

90% of my matches are steamrolls in either direction.

I apologize for partaking in one of those matches. I'm SORRY for side-coring your K2!

[Kraven Kor]

It is all perception.

There are nights where, it seems, I just cannot win. 8-0 stomps five, six matches in a row. Maybe the occasional 8-3, and certainly at least on 7-0 (yes, a 0-kill stomp where the other team had a disconnect. I am apparently that @#$%ing terrible now.)

Other nights, it seems, I predominantly end up on the team doing 8-0 stomps, with the occasional loss or more balanced match result.

Playing PUG or with my team, such as it is, makes little overall difference.

The problem, to me, is two-fold:

First, this game lends itself to the 8-0 stomp in many cases; losing one mech just starts a domino effect, particularly when one team is focusing fire (PUG or TS or whatever) and the other team is not. Or one team splits up, the other doesn't.

Secondly, I think your own mood (or, I know that my own mood) influences both your performance, and your reaction to that performance, more than a lot of us think.

And lord knows my moods change like the tides; when I'm crazy and down on myself and such, FAIL FAIL FAIL confirmation bias that I do indeed suck. When I'm in a decent mood, I either do better, or perceive myself to be doing better.

Now, not all of us are crazy. But I bet at least most of us are

[Clit Beastwood]

ive noticed that proper use of scouts (tagging, spotting targets and actually calling them, and flanking/drivebys by lights) seems to work heavily in favor of one team. a lot of steamrolls started with good scouting and communication (not teamspeak, but actually reporting enemy positions in chat, etc.)

[Huntsman]

Alternating steamrolls is extremely common. One match we win 8-0 with opponents such as one fellow who had only 2 standard ppcs on a stalker and nothing else then wandered off alone. The next match is a catastrophic loss with 7 teammates whose team scores combined are less than mine.

[Petroshka]

I was gonna make a clever "Enjoy the PUG Lottery" photoshop, but i got lazy and found this.