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[JSparrowist]

[PEEFsmash]

JSparrowist, on 09 June 2013 - 01:16 PM, said:

Truth hurts, doesn't it?

Or maybe this is a picture of you just reflecting deeply upon what was said, and coming to grips.

Edited by PEEFsmash, 09 June 2013 - 01:19 PM.

[Soy]

WARP ME TO HALIFAX

Edited by Soy, 09 June 2013 - 01:21 PM.

[TexAce]

You guys are funny.
I own all phracts EXCEPT the 3D and all of them are pretty fine.
My 2LPL+3LL Phract 1X is a beast with a 2.23 K/D Ratio
The 2X is a killer with 1PPC, 1 Gauss, 2LL & 2 Streaks

And none of my builds can be made with Jägers (and I own all non-MC Jägers).

Only poptarts who only know their poptarting easy-peasy gameplay think the phract has no purpose anymore.

Edited by TexAss, 09 June 2013 - 01:22 PM.

[JSparrowist]

Why do 90% of the self proclaimed "competitive" players come off as pretentious hipsters?

[PEEFsmash]

JSparrowist, on 09 June 2013 - 01:36 PM, said:

Why do 90% of the self proclaimed "competitive" players come off as pretentious hipsters?

You are coming off as a hipster-in-denial.

Edited by PEEFsmash, 09 June 2013 - 01:45 PM.

[p00k]

when winning is all that matters, every advantage will be exploited, every imbalance will be exaggerated, and "good" is just as useless as "bad" if it's not the "best".

before the jj nerf, if you had target info on your enemy, you only had to jump just enough to get your crosshairs on target and your weapons clear of obstacles. now, you have to jump enough so that you have a split second after you cut the burn for your reticule to stabilize, then another split second to line up your shot. for practical purposes this often means exposing your entire mech rather than the top third of your torso, and using the majority of your jj burn rather than less than half, meaning you can't jj twice in rapid succession

the 3D still has utility given how recent the jj nerf was, but when a better option comes around, it will be replaced. much as stalkers have begun to replace highlanders in the assault world, and much as highlanders replaced brawler DDC's before them.

[Soy]

JSparrow, I can answer that for you.

Cuz after some point, you just don't give a **** how you "appear" on a forum to some moron. Personally I don't know when that occured, I'm guessing probably day 1 of playing this game.

Here's the situation: you're trying to fight against the torrential flood of morons. I don't doubt that there are people whos sole goal in MWO is to be a socialite, but, reality is somebody has to step up and start talking over all these ******* lemmings.

Why don't you join TS and come chat and have some fun and casually kill some people; see if we're all egomaniacal hipsters, or just players who have played a lot and are getting sick and tired of ******* trying to steer the game into a dumpster fire. There's lots of cool people playing this game. I have only met a few truly immature individuals, not counting the forums.

Edited by Soy, 09 June 2013 - 02:34 PM.

[Monky]

JJ nerf changed nothing, merely shrunk the window for viable shots. If you're bad at robots then you might not be able to poptart anymore I guess.

[Carrioncrows]

What you get now with jump shake is the really talented people jump sniping.

People that can boost up, let off the jets, stabilize and then hammer their target in a very small window of time.

Alternatively I don't think a lot of people will practice doing this to get better at it and get a feel for it, and instead just drift to what's easy.

The CTF-3D is still very competitive in my book, and as dangerous as it always was in skilled hands.

Edited by Carrioncrows, 09 June 2013 - 04:06 PM.

[NRP]

My 3D is just about as effective as it always was, just a less forgiving shot window.

[General Taskeen]

PPC Warrior happened for a lot reasons. One of them is ECM. More ECM? Moar PPC's? Moar Streaks? MOAR. The rest are high heat thresholds/lower heat/projectile speeds and jump jets that are programmed to be Hoover Jets. Practically every Mech, including Cataphract-3D's are better at it than Awesome's. Sad Game This.

[Galen Crayn]

Every day i find another reason to be a mysantroph... I cannot eat as much as i want to puke. So you are creations crowning glory... Youre only little wannabes. Nothing more. Nobody cares about you, nobody is interested in you. Talk to the wall. You have a better elo? Who cares???? Nobody, perhaps some poor souls as you are. Its so easy to manipulate it that it says nothing. Go and play in your competitive molding box or go to your mummy and soak at her breast... Thats the truth. And now you can cry like a little baby and tell me how wrong i am

Edited by Galen Crayn, 09 June 2013 - 04:41 PM.

[WolvesX]

Jump Sniping is fine, its still easy to hit if you know how, its just boring as hell... did it for the last months.

[Lefty Lucy]

I'm not sure why tempers seem to be flaring so much in this thread. I realize that many of you are good players, better than myself for sure, but even in Soy's "post-patch poptart" video most of his shots are either form the ground or are so made so close to the ground that jumping didn't gain any tactical advantage.

The fact of the matter is that 4 jump jets do not give enough lift to make jump sniping effective for a 3D, since by the time you can take a precision shot you're close to the ground again anyways.

Since the patch I have been killed by precisely 0 jump sniping shots, in 4 mans or 8 mans. In 4 mans I'm generally playing with really good players so I tend to see the higher Elo brackets.

I still play my 3D because it is my most-played mech by far, but when I run builds with jump jets I find that jumping just never really accomplishes much, unless I'm running a max-rated engine as well, then jumping can clear some obstacles marginally faster than trying to climb up them. Rather than 2UAC 2PPC with a 280 XL, I"m running 2UAC 4 ML with a 340 XL. This build would probably be better on a jager, but I don't have Jagers mastered.

One of the most skilled, dedicated jump snipers in my Clan hasn't touched his highlander since the JJ nerf, preferring to use Atlases.

Right now if you want to snipe it is far better to simply take a mech with high-mounted hard points.

[aniviron]

Competitive players can still poptart, it's just done on the way down now.

The cataphract will replace the cataphract; the pult is not very useful while missiles are so bad, and the jag has those huge squishy side torsos. Cataphract probably has the best hitboxes of the three, along with more armor and a good diversity of hardpoints.

[Victor Morson]

3D is still a great 'mech. It's always been well balanced.

[The Cheese]

Galen Crayn, on 09 June 2013 - 04:24 PM, said:

Every day i find another reason to be a mysantroph... I cannot eat as much as i want to puke. So you are creations crowning glory... Youre only little wannabes. Nothing more. Nobody cares about you, nobody is interested in you. Talk to the wall. You have a better elo? Who cares???? Nobody, perhaps some poor souls as you are. Its so easy to manipulate it that it says nothing. Go and play in your competitive molding box or go to your mummy and soak at her breast... Thats the truth. And now you can cry like a little baby and tell me how wrong i am

CRAAAAAWLING IIIIIN MY SKIIIIIIN!

[King Arthur IV]

so what is the 3d isnt in competitive play? there will always be mechs that arnt in competitive play. but i will give you one thing, trying to disguise real question with the another...... i see what you did here.

[Victor Morson]

aniviron, on 09 June 2013 - 05:51 PM, said:

Competitive players can still poptart, it's just done on the way down now.

The cataphract will replace the cataphract; the pult is not very useful while missiles are so bad, and the jag has those huge squishy side torsos. Cataphract probably has the best hitboxes of the three, along with more armor and a good diversity of hardpoints.

Thanks to them delaying the Orion, we have a serious lack of "typical heavies." The Cataphract is the only heavy we have I would describe as typically representative of the majority of 'mechs in BattleTech. The rest are hard niches.

Catapult - Missile Niche
Jaggermech/K2 - Ballistic Niche
Quickdraw & Dragon - Fast heavy niche

The Cataphract has a diverse set of variants, with diverse hard points. It's also the only one approaching the 75 ton mark currently. I really hate the Orion delay.