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[hammerreborn]

Jakob Knight, on 16 June 2013 - 07:34 PM, said:

It is much less valid to use statements from a source that is known to lie and change its testimony at whim than it is to use basic logic and game theory when projecting a probable course of action. Your statements are all just words thrown up without thought, whereas we know that a game is designed with the normal play mode as the basis for all content in the game, not optional modes. Therefore, as long as 3PV is the 'normal' mode, it follows that stating it will not be the basis for CW is simply illogical.

The simple truth is that you are holding onto the Dev's word as the basis of your argument, when you know that that word cannot be used as any basis of proof.

So, no. My statements are quite a bit more valid than yours, and if that means you cannot continue playing this game, then the Devs have only themselves to blame for that. I can continue to play the game without believing what the Devs tell me in their posts, the same way I can still live in a country where politicians lie to the public. It's simply a matter of not putting any faith in those who have proven unworthy of it.

So why are you here? If there's nothing you can trust about the devs then why be in a "ask the devs" thread? Do you just reverse every single statement made by Bryan? That must be exhausting.

If the devs say that PPCs are about where they want to be, then that must be they are lying (according to you), so therefore my statement that they will nerf ppc damage is valid.

Hotthedd, on 16 June 2013 - 08:00 PM, said:

To date, they have not made a dime off of 3PV.

...but I can guarantee you they have missed out on a LOT of money by saying they plan to implement it.

They also haven't made a dime off of clan mechs, power ranger patterns, CW, or dark age technology!

[Hotthedd]

hammerreborn, on 16 June 2013 - 08:06 PM, said:

They also haven't made a dime off of clan mechs, power ranger patterns, CW, or dark age technology!

They have not LOST any money because of those things, either.

Unlike the 3PV debacle.

[Farpenoodle]

Because a guy on the forum has all the numbers! Impressive!

[Hotthedd]

Farpenoodle, on 16 June 2013 - 08:11 PM, said:

Because a guy on the forum has all the numbers! Impressive!

Did I quote numbers?

I have not spent a dime on MW:O since they stated that 3PV will happen. I personally know several others who feel the same way. I have read several posts from players I do not know stating the same thing. They have missed out on at least $100 of MY disposable income since March. Multiply that by 1/3 of the people who bothered to poll that they do not want 3PV in any way, shape or form. That figure would be $100,000 in the past quarter, or close to half a million dollars per year. (and that is assuming ONLY one-third of the players we KNOW are vehemently against 3PV).

[hoverstorm]

Hotthedd, on 16 June 2013 - 08:23 PM, said:

Did I quote numbers?

I have not spent a dime on MW:O since they stated that 3PV will happen. I personally know several others who feel the same way. I have read several posts from players I do not know stating the same thing. They have missed out on at least $100 of MY disposable income since March. Multiply that by 1/3 of the people who bothered to poll that they do not want 3PV in any way, shape or form. That figure would be $100,000 in the past quarter, or close to half a million dollars per year. (and that is assuming ONLY one-third of the players we KNOW are vehemently against 3PV).

I know they will be missing my mine until the day they would say that 1PV is the default mode or mode that they would promote all new players to play in.

Edited by Eirikr Sim, 16 June 2013 - 08:56 PM.

[Scarcer]

Hotthedd, on 16 June 2013 - 08:23 PM, said:

Did I quote numbers?

I have not spent a dime on MW:O since they stated that 3PV will happen. I personally know several others who feel the same way. I have read several posts from players I do not know stating the same thing. They have missed out on at least $100 of MY disposable income since March. Multiply that by 1/3 of the people who bothered to poll that they do not want 3PV in any way, shape or form. That figure would be $100,000 in the past quarter, or close to half a million dollars per year. (and that is assuming ONLY one-third of the players we KNOW are vehemently against 3PV).

"I have a friend who knows a friend that knows a friend that knows a friend, who also knows a friend who happens to say he's mad and not going to spend money. This is srs business and totally negates any possible gains they plan to make. I have nothing to show; so I'm just going to keep arguing because I can, and I'm bored... with lots of time to burn. Are my arguments ignorant enough to receive another reply out of pitty?"

FTFY

We TOTALLY Don'T SoUND LAIK COD TwEeN's Right Nao

A couple disappointments because you formed random expectations, and you're not quite sure how to handle the conflicting emotions; Ok Ok we get it you're angry, full of loathing self entitlement, and probably a false understanding of how the world works. I'm sorry but your lack of a credit card won't form a crater in the foundation which sits my behind; brought to you by the wonderful world of PGI.

It must be like the cognitive dissonance of captive Koreans breaking out of prison for the first time to suddenly realize the world is vast and that you suddenly feel guilty for ratting your parents out to the death squad back in 'the normal world.'

Some people benefit better from a good pump in the bum because they aren't interested in the logic.

The world is full of harsh reality and fun suprises, but you're going to grow grey fast if you can't live in the moment and have some fun.

Oh no the enemy team won!?? WHAT, I spent ALL summer practicing, I am the best, I EXPECTED to have that trophy. GRrrr I'll never play soccer again! *pouts* *flames forums about how they did so bad*

Edited by Scarcer, 16 June 2013 - 09:09 PM.

[Hotthedd]

Scarcer, on 16 June 2013 - 08:58 PM, said:

"I have a friend who knows a friend that knows a friend that knows a friend, who also knows a friend who happens to say he's mad and not going to spend money. This is srs business and totally negates any possible gains they plan to make. I have nothing to show; so I'm just going to keep arguing because I can, and I'm bored... with lots of time to burn. Are my arguments ignorant enough to receive another reply out of pitty?"

FTFY

We TOTALLY Don'T SoUND LAIK COD TwEeN's Right Nao

A couple disappointments because you formed random expectations, and you're not quite sure how to handle the conflicting emotions; Ok Ok we get it you're angry, full of loathing self entitlement, and probably a false understanding of how the world works. I'm sorry but your lack of a credit card won't form a crater in the foundation which sits my behind; brought to you by the wonderful world of PGI.

It must be like the cognitive dissonance of captive Koreans breaking out of prison for the first time to suddenly realize the world is vast and that you suddenly feel guilty for ratting your parents out to the death squad back in 'the normal world.'

Some people benefit better from a good pump in the bum because they aren't interested in the logic.

The world is full of harsh reality and fun suprises, but you're going to grow grey fast if you can't live in the moment and have some fun.

Oh no the enemy team won!?? GRrrr I'll never play soccer again!

Are you high?

Your post makes no sense, whatsoever. I stated fact. I do not believe I am a special snowflake, in fact I believe I am one of many. Many of us are disappointed in the apparent direction (towards arcade) that MW:O is heading, and will not fund those decisions. It adds up.

BTW, do you know what "projection" is?

[ICEFANG13]

Hotthedd, on 16 June 2013 - 09:10 PM, said:

Are you high?

Your post makes no sense, whatsoever. I stated fact. I do not believe I am a special snowflake, in fact I believe I am one of many. Many of us are disappointed in the apparent direction (towards arcade) that MW:O is heading, and will not fund those decisions. It adds up.

BTW, do you know what "projection" is?

I would agree that we aren't special snowflakes, but clearly PGI views us like that. Strange sim heads and hardcore players. I guess that we aren't the majority, despite what everything says.

[Scarcer]

Woooo aren't you eager. Consult my 'final draft' of my previous post.

Then continue on to ask me about random things like 'projections' and such while you previously sounded so uninterested in showing numbers.

And sure. You say you're one of many; you are forced to because I confronted your angle of dialogue.
I might reply, might not.

EDIT: And which 'fact' are you referring to? Something PGI has done? [an action]. Or the impact of your actions? [Self importance]

Edited by Scarcer, 16 June 2013 - 09:20 PM.

[hammerreborn]

Hotthedd, on 16 June 2013 - 08:23 PM, said:

Did I quote numbers?

I have not spent a dime on MW:O since they stated that 3PV will happen. I personally know several others who feel the same way. I have read several posts from players I do not know stating the same thing. They have missed out on at least $100 of MY disposable income since March. Multiply that by 1/3 of the people who bothered to poll that they do not want 3PV in any way, shape or form. That figure would be $100,000 in the past quarter, or close to half a million dollars per year. (and that is assuming ONLY one-third of the players we KNOW are vehemently against 3PV).

That's okay, I've spent lots of money, and I'm all for 3rd person. Guess PGI should stay the course!

If PGI would ban every person who posted "I'm not giving any more money for x fake reason other than they're whining, entitled crybabies" if I gave them 20 dollars I'd be the best whale ever.

Hotthedd, on 16 June 2013 - 08:08 PM, said:

They have not LOST any money because of those things, either.

Unlike the 3PV debacle.

And I don't know about you, but the distinct lack of gundam camos stops me from spending money. See I can post stupid **** too!

Go go deathscythe Jenner skin!

[ICEFANG13]

hammerreborn, on 16 June 2013 - 09:16 PM, said:

That's okay, I've spent lots of money, and I'm all for 3rd person. Guess PGI should stay the course!

If PGI would ban every person who posted "I'm not giving any more money for x fake reason other than they're whining, entitled crybabies" if I gave them 20 dollars I'd be the best whale ever.



And I don't know about you, but the distinct lack of gundam camos stops me from spending money. See I can post stupid **** too!

Go go deathscythe Jenner skin!

Yeah but gundam camos was never on the table to begin with.

[hammerreborn]

ICEFANG13, on 16 June 2013 - 09:19 PM, said:

Yeah but gundam camos was never on the table to begin with.

Not true! They said there would be lots of patterns. Gundam is a pattern!

Why no gundam PGI!!!! You'll never get a cent from me again!!!!

[Hotthedd]

hammerreborn, on 16 June 2013 - 09:16 PM, said:

That's okay, I've spent lots of money, and I'm all for 3rd person. Guess PGI should stay the course!

If PGI would ban every person who posted "I'm not giving any more money for x fake reason other than they're whining, entitled crybabies" if I gave them 20 dollars I'd be the best whale ever.



And I don't know about you, but the distinct lack of gundam camos stops me from spending money. See I can post stupid **** too!

Go go deathscythe Jenner skin!

Really? Do you plan on spending half a million dollars a year to offset the numbers I have shown?

Do you REALLY think PGI will consistently offset those numbers with the supposed "new" players they will bring in with 3PV?

You contradict yourself. You say you spend money on the game, but then say you do NOT spend money on the game due to lack of gundam camos. I believe YOU are the one being disingenuous.

[ICEFANG13]

hammerreborn, on 16 June 2013 - 09:20 PM, said:

Not true! They said there would be lots of patterns. Gundam is a pattern!

Why no gundam PGI!!!! You'll never get a cent from me again!!!!

I just googled "gundam pattern", did not get any patterns that were unique to gundam, just basic colors organized over their mechs.

They said that this game is 100% first person, so where is the difficulty in understanding that?

[Scarcer]

hammerreborn, on 16 June 2013 - 09:20 PM, said:

Not true! They said there would be lots of patterns. Gundam is a pattern!

Why no gundam PGI!!!! You'll never get a cent from me again!!!!

Ohh you've turned evil! You're lack of logic is making my brain melt! STAHP!

[hammerreborn]

Hotthedd, on 16 June 2013 - 09:21 PM, said:

Really? Do you plan on spending half a million dollars a year to offset the numbers I have shown?

Do you REALLY think PGI will consistently offset those numbers with the supposed "new" players they will bring in with 3PV?

You contradict yourself. You say you spend money on the game, but then say you do NOT spend money on the game due to lack of gundam camos. I believe YOU are the one being disingenuous.

You mean all the numbers you made up? Yes, I will theoretically spend a million imaginary QQ dollars to offset your completely made up loss of a million QQ dollars.

[Hotthedd]

Scarcer, on 16 June 2013 - 09:14 PM, said:

Woooo aren't you eager. Consult my 'final draft' of my previous post.

Then continue on to ask me about random things like 'projections' and such while you previously sounded so uninterested in showing numbers.

And sure. You say you're one of many; you are forced to because I confronted your angle of dialogue.
I might reply, might not.

EDIT: And which 'fact' are you referring to? Something PGI has done? [an action]. Or the impact of your actions? [Self importance]

You are "projecting" you own insecurities on me.

My action (no longer spending money on MW:O) is a fact. It has nothing to do with self importance (you are projecting again). PGI reneging on their vow not to have 3PV is also a fact.

[hammerreborn]

ICEFANG13, on 16 June 2013 - 09:22 PM, said:

I just googled "gundam pattern", did not get any patterns that were unique to gundam, just basic colors organized over their mechs.

They said that this game is 100% first person, so where is the difficulty in understanding that?

The part where he said...

Quote

We will investigate 3rd person in the far off distance for special game settings, but this is very far off in the distance.

While we appreciate those who enjoy 3rd person, MWO will be 1st person out of the gate and in the near future.

-Paul
Lead Designer

I don't know...looks like 3rd person was mentioned in July last year....sooooo where is the difficulty in understanding that?

[Hotthedd]

hammerreborn, on 16 June 2013 - 09:23 PM, said:

You mean all the numbers you made up? Yes, I will theoretically spend a million imaginary QQ dollars to offset your completely made up loss of a million QQ dollars.

Which numbers are "made up" exactly?

[johnyboy420]

You kids rant like this is still the best mechwarrior too ever hit the market, it was closed beta, lol 2months after open beta and this game went full ****** and any Real old school mechwarrior can see this this game will die if this keeps up,

You know it's bad when microsofts arcade shooter mechassault has 10x better balance, say what you will I know where this game stands for the core battle tech fan. Not you 2002 ms mech4 heads there's a reason your mech4 competitive scene died