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[Woozle]

Better Enemies NOT Worse Teammates

[Levi Porphyrogenitus]

Is this some kind of matchmaking QQ thread? Maybe about how Elo is compensating for your god-like skillz by pairing you with utter n00bs who drag you down?

[Mycrus]

Run FOTM builds, stuck in Elo hell...

Working as intended!

[Woozle]

Levi Porphyrogenitus, on 14 June 2013 - 07:59 PM, said:

Is this some kind of matchmaking QQ thread? Maybe about how Elo is compensating for your god-like skillz by pairing you with utter n00bs who drag you down?

I don't think I'm particularly good; probably average. Just guessing here. Since PGI doesn't tell us, I have no way of knowing for sure.

The only objective measure I have is the end-of round scoring. It in a very general sort of way seems to match my subjective assessment of my teammates (high=contributed to fight, low=not much contribution).

After a couple of hundred matches since Elo was introduced, I have the following observation: whenever I have a streak where I win more than I lose, I am consistently matched with teammates whose contributions to a match are less than my own until I have lost enough games to knock my W/L ratio back below .500. This is not fun. If the Elo gods must be appeased by making me lose, I would rather lose because my opponents are better, not because my teammates are worse.

And I would like to thank you for your sarcastic, condescending reply. I am so thankful that the Internet happened so I could be abused by random strangers. To quote from a favorite song of mine, "Were you born an a**hole, or did you work at it your whole life? Either way, it worked out fine, because you're an a**hole tonight."

[RiceyFighter]

Mycrus, on 14 June 2013 - 08:02 PM, said:

Run FOTM builds, stuck in Elo hell...

Working as intended!

A trap that many pilots fall in because they are the most effective builds for the meta. If you want to stay "Competitive" against other players with FOTM builds, you have to FOTM yourself or be incredibly good.

Lets face it a player with FOTM is at a huge advantage over a pilot without FOTM build. SO you are asking a non FOTM pilot to be a very good pilot to compensate for the less effective mech build.

Lets be honest, no one likes to loose and die.

Edited by RiceyFighter, 15 June 2013 - 02:20 AM.

[Inkarnus]

just keep that ******* trial mech newbies with atlases out of my ******* games
give me oponents not bad shittards in my teams that dont even knew how to fire
and that they fire at a wall
kk thx by

[El Bandito]

RiceyFighter, on 15 June 2013 - 02:17 AM, said:

A trap that many pilots fall in because they are the most effective builds for the meta. If you want to stay "Competitive" against other players with FOTM builds, you have to FOTM yourself or be incredibly good. Lets face it a player with FOTM is at a huge advantage over a pilot without FOTM build. SO you are asking a non FOTM pilot to be a very good pilot to compensate for the less effective mech build. Lets be honest, no one likes to loose and die.

Not running FoTM build. Wins more than loses. Kills more than dying. Yeah MM loves me I guess.

[Joseph Mallan]

Woozle, on 14 June 2013 - 07:29 PM, said:

Better Enemies NOT Worse Teammates

I can see this. If team A stomps team B, then Team A was obviously superior. Whether i is due to equipment or tactics the superiority was obvious.

[The Strange]

Woozle, on 14 June 2013 - 09:38 PM, said:

The only objective measure I have is the end-of round scoring. It in a very general sort of way seems to match my subjective assessment of my teammates (high=contributed to fight, low=not much contribution).

... I have the following observation: whenever I have a streak where I win more than I lose, I am consistently matched with teammates whose contributions to a match are less than my own until I have lost enough games to knock my W/L ratio back below .500. ...

First off, end of match scoring is not a great way to judge the contribution of a teammate. I run lights often and have been the deciding factor in a match many times by providing good scout support, harassment, and drawing targets back to team members. I don't get tons of damage doing this, but it greatly increases the chance of a win. I consider that contributing.

Secondly, if your W/L ratio is .5 then you shouldn't be getting matched up with crappy teammates to begin with, as Elo strives to average you out at a 1.0 ratio. You should only get placed with lesser players once you are above 1.0 W/L. So that probably isn't what's happening.

[PEEFsmash]

RiceyFighter, on 15 June 2013 - 02:17 AM, said:

A trap that many pilots fall in because they are the most effective builds for the meta. If you want to stay "Competitive" against other players with FOTM builds, you have to FOTM yourself or be incredibly good.

Lets face it a player with FOTM is at a huge advantage over a pilot without FOTM build. SO you are asking a non FOTM pilot to be a very good pilot to compensate for the less effective mech build.

Lets be honest, no one likes to loose and die.

The good players (and you are on the Templars and I consider them good) would do ABOUT as well in whatever build you put before them. Give them that 2 LL 1 Gauss Trial Dragon, and they will win about as many matches as they do in whatever FOTM build they use. The big difference would come when playing against top opponents, in which case you have to squeeze every last bit of effectiveness out of your mech. Top players would still be top players even if they used so called "balanced" builds.

And on to the Elo thing. I agree. It should be better enemies over worse teammates. The problem is that the best players often play 8 mans and aren't in the pug que, and other than that, there aren't that many good players in this game to begin with because of the "culture of whining and forcing balance decisions to be based on low-levels of play" instead of a culture of self-improvement.

[Zerberus]

PEEFsmash, on 15 June 2013 - 10:14 AM, said:

. The problem is that ... there aren't that many good players in this game to begin with because of the "culture of whining and forcing balance decisions to be based on low-levels of play" instead of a culture of self-improvement.

I never thought I would agree with you, but on this I do.

[PEEFsmash]

Zerberus, on 15 June 2013 - 10:43 AM, said:

I never thought I would agree with you, but on this I do.

Nice! This is probably my single biggest point, so I'm glad you do! =D

[Tarrasque]

RiceyFighter, on 15 June 2013 - 02:17 AM, said:

A trap that many pilots fall in because they are the most effective builds for the meta. If you want to stay "Competitive" against other players with FOTM builds, you have to FOTM yourself or be incredibly good.

Lets face it a player with FOTM is at a huge advantage over a pilot without FOTM build. SO you are asking a non FOTM pilot to be a very good pilot to compensate for the less effective mech build.

Lets be honest, no one likes to loose and die.

I dunno man, I literally never run FOTM crap, and I wouldn't say I'm great, but I'm usually top of damage and kills/assists. I feel like 'FOTM' is like groupthink - everyone agrees that it works the best because there's very little dissenting opinion.

I've never felt compelled to build my mech with whatever 'meta' is involved (save the LRMpocalypses), I just play the builds I want, and I've never felt outpaced.

Much of everything is in one's mind (not trying to get philosophical here), and people really limit themselves in what they can do by just going with the meta flow.

[Stoicblitzer]

Tarrasque, on 15 June 2013 - 11:43 AM, said:

Much of everything is in one's mind (not trying to get philosophical here), and people really limit themselves in what they can do by just going with the meta flow.

some weapons and variants are just better than others. it's fact. now that you can't be sure the other team will have a medium if you bring a medium, there is little reason to use them. heavies are sometimes useful. but why take a heavy if you can bring an assault and last a little longer? PPCs can brawl and snipe. they are the best weapon in the game despite the no reg issues. SSRMs & LRMs are only good because splash is broken meaning 80+% of damage goes CT. ac/20s are good because they don't explode and their damage at 500-600m is comparable to an ac/10. med/large lasers are good because their hit reg works and they seem pretty balanced. pulse lasers are good on paper but i'm personally not convinced if they are worth the tonnage and heat. that's it.

[Tarrasque]

Stoicblitzer, on 15 June 2013 - 12:52 PM, said:

some weapons and variants are just better than others. it's fact. now that you can't be sure the other team will have a medium if you bring a medium, there is little reason to use them. heavies are sometimes useful. but why take a heavy if you can bring an assault and last a little longer?

For one, I disagree that anything is objectively better in this game than anything else - despite their continuing attempts to balance this game, there are far too many ranges and fire modes to take account for to be able to say that. Playstyles differ so wildly that, unless you're referring to poptarting or hill humping or whatever FoTM tactic that's been adopted to ensure you can shoot and not be shot at (boring), a crappy weapon can be stellar in the right hands

(See my 6 SL BJ-1X for proof of that)

Further, if you honestly believe that 'more tonnage' = 'last longer', I hate to tell you man, but you've still got a lot to learn about this game.



....no offense intended.

[Levi Porphyrogenitus]

Woozle, on 14 June 2013 - 09:38 PM, said:

I don't think I'm particularly good; probably average. Just guessing here. Since PGI doesn't tell us, I have no way of knowing for sure.

The only objective measure I have is the end-of round scoring. It in a very general sort of way seems to match my subjective assessment of my teammates (high=contributed to fight, low=not much contribution).

After a couple of hundred matches since Elo was introduced, I have the following observation: whenever I have a streak where I win more than I lose, I am consistently matched with teammates whose contributions to a match are less than my own until I have lost enough games to knock my W/L ratio back below .500. This is not fun. If the Elo gods must be appeased by making me lose, I would rather lose because my opponents are better, not because my teammates are worse.

And I would like to thank you for your sarcastic, condescending reply. I am so thankful that the Internet happened so I could be abused by random strangers. To quote from a favorite song of mine, "Were you born an a**hole, or did you work at it your whole life? Either way, it worked out fine, because you're an a**hole tonight."

When you post the same thread multiple times with no discussion or explanation in the OP, expect replies of the same level of quality.

When you post real things, like the one quoted here, then expect more reasoned, polite responses (plus you'll still draw idiots and trolls, but at least then you won't deserve them).

[Mycrus]

RiceyFighter, on 15 June 2013 - 02:17 AM, said:

A trap that many pilots fall in because they are the most effective builds for the meta. If you want to stay "Competitive" against other players with FOTM builds, you have to FOTM yourself or be incredibly good. Lets face it a player with FOTM is at a huge advantage over a pilot without FOTM build. SO you are asking a non FOTM pilot to be a very good pilot to compensate for the less effective mech build. Lets be honest, no one likes to loose and die.

I'm a normal joe (1KDR/1WLR), and i disdain running FOTM...

I also usually run less of a specific variant after master (I gotz 44 mechs)...

The best part is I run inferior variants and make it fun and work for me

My most used weapon system is the humble medium laser -- almost all my builds will have it...

For my reward - when i go PUG, i get "smarter than your average bear" team mates and very rarely 8-0/0-8 stomps...

I run any mech that I want and the result is the same, nice and good balanced games...

If a pilot buys into the FOTM drug, they are hooked on it for life... Wins at first will come easy, and then they cross the magic threshold into Elo Hell..

In Elo Hell - you can't run balanced builds unless you are a *********... So you will have to run FOTM ALL THE TIME... then it becomes boring as well.. hell...

the funny thing is that once you cross over into Elo Hell - the MM will think you are mech romney incarnate... to make it "challenging" for you, you will get paired up with newbs...

HAVE FUN IN ELO HELL -- WORKING AS INTENDED!!

http://mwomercs.com/...__fromsearch__1 << Classic Example

[Villz]

Levi Porphyrogenitus, on 14 June 2013 - 07:59 PM, said:

Is this some kind of matchmaking QQ thread? Maybe about how Elo is compensating for your god-like skillz by pairing you with utter n00bs who drag you down?

U mean like this ?

http://i.imgur.com/4TghvAr.jpg

And this ?

http://i.imgur.com/Xz9GBQB.jpg

And this?

http://i.imgur.com/gFvQSzD.jpg

Every fkn game i solo drop

..........

[Karazyr]

perhaps your the problem? since you have a superiority complex going ( dont worry i have one to) your looking for a scape goat to explain why you loose? have you tried talking to your team mates and telling them to kill a certain target first? that works well dude,

[Mycrus]

Villz, on 15 June 2013 - 09:01 PM, said:

U mean like this ? http://i.imgur.com/4TghvAr.jpg And this ? http://i.imgur.com/Xz9GBQB.jpg And this? http://i.imgur.com/gFvQSzD.jpg Every fkn game i solo drop ..........