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[One Medic Army]

PEEFsmash, on 16 June 2013 - 10:55 AM, said:

Its how Elo matchmaking in this game does work. There are not enough players of top skill level, so they often get balanced out with terrible teammates, because AVERAGE team Elo is how the matchmaker puts people together.

Well, except that PGI has specifically stated that each game has a target value, and it fills the game with people close to the value.
The only averaging happening is when you're grouped it averages to find the group's Elo. (premade teams)

I've seen the same sort of thing with terrible players mixed in with good players, I assume they're just still falling down from their poptart heights, or the matchmaker got a bit loose due to wait times.

Edited by One Medic Army, 16 June 2013 - 11:03 AM.

[Volts]

AMIDOINGITRITE?



1337 SKILLZ!?

[PEEFsmash]

One Medic Army, on 16 June 2013 - 11:02 AM, said:

Well, except that PGI has specifically stated that each game has a target value, and it fills the game with people close to the value.
The only averaging happening is when you're grouped it averages to find the group's Elo.

I've seen the same sort of thing with terrible players mixed in with good players, I assume they're just still falling down from their poptart heights, or the matchmaker got a bit loose due to wait times.

There are usually not 16 top-Elo players pubbing and searching for match at the same time. Because of this, the matchmaker has to nerf one of the teams by adding poor players.

BTW, none of the top poptarters have fallen at all, at least none of the ones that I know have, and I know many many. They either still poptart about as well, or they play a different mech just as well as they used to play poptarts.

[Chavette]

One Medic Army, on 16 June 2013 - 11:02 AM, said:

Well, except that PGI has specifically stated that each game has a target value, and it fills the game with people close to the value.
The only averaging happening is when you're grouped it averages to find the group's Elo. (premade teams)

I recall that too. Seems like it aims for an elo based on the first guy/group that hit the que, and then if it fails to fill both teams up with the same range it resorts to fillers on both sides.

[One Medic Army]

PEEFsmash, on 16 June 2013 - 11:07 AM, said:

There are usually not 16 top-Elo players pubbing and searching for match at the same time. Because of this, the matchmaker has to nerf one of the teams by adding poor players.

BTW, none of the top poptarters have fallen at all, at least none of the ones that I know have, and I know many many. They either still poptart about as well, or they play a different mech just as well as they used to play poptarts.

Oh I'm aware the people who were actually good plus used poptarting probably didn't fall, but the masses of people riding the FOTM-train sure as heck did.
I don't regularly pop, but I still manage in most of my jump-capable mechs occasionally, it's really not that much harder, though it requires more ability to snapshot now, and possibly more jets.

[Mizore]

Stoicblitzer, on 16 June 2013 - 10:19 AM, said:

The trial spider would get rolled 1v1 against any mech given equal pilot skill.

Yes, that's for sure, but even if you want to support your team, you can't do much.

Really, the best solution would be to make an stockmech-only game mode, where trialmechs have no disadvantage.
Well... sure, there are stockmechs that are better than others, but there's nearly nothing as strong as a 4xER-PPC Stalker with DHS.

[w0rm]

Edited by w0rm, 16 June 2013 - 11:25 AM.

[Grumbling Coot]

Not sure if the uber 1337 peeps on the forum would consider me high ELO, but i thought i'd give it a shot...

Ended up in a Conquest match on Tourmaline. The match started rather ominously with an Atlas d/c'ing right at the start. I went off to cap epsilon and then their spawn (sigma). By the time i got back to the fight occurring between kappa and theta it was almost over.

In the fight, I flamed and lasered as much as I could but didn't even dent the Stalker I was trying to help with. Tried to run after my last teammate went down and even managed to dodge most of the fire from the two PPC/SSRM stalkers on their side. Unfortunately my JJs were no match for their max speed raven.

[RG Notch]

PEEFsmash, on 16 June 2013 - 10:55 AM, said:

Its how Elo matchmaking in this game does work. There are not enough players of top skill level, so they often get balanced out with terrible teammates, because AVERAGE team Elo is how the matchmaker puts people together.

Yup keep saying that and if you say it enough it will be true, some people are already believing you so I guess it's working.

[-Muta-]

I am a Spider pilot but it has been a LOOOOOOONG time since I used a flamer and green camo xD

I will do that myself as soon as I get back home because my boss caught me playing at work hahaha.

Anyways I am on a 10 day vacation starting tomorrow. I'll upload the ss tonight!

[Chavette]

One Medic Army, on 16 June 2013 - 11:02 AM, said:

Well, except that PGI has specifically stated that each game has a target value, and it fills the game with people close to the value.
The only averaging happening is when you're grouped it averages to find the group's Elo. (premade teams)

How is the target value made up? Just curious if you think the same way as I.

[Bishop Steiner]

Chavette, on 16 June 2013 - 08:46 AM, said:

How'd you know they are here nonstop, if you weren't here nonstop yourself?

But to tell the truth you right about the self proclaimed ones being here alot, but they are just that, loudmouths and are probably bad.


My point is, the better players know the scene fairly well. Why guys get worked up on something simple as that? Calm down...

As for the thread I'll try it as soon as I get some time but the thread will get moved much soon than thats gonna happen, lol.

because I am on here alot, and read back posts when from when I am not. The difference is I have never touted my skillz.

[Soy]

bro you need to
once you pop you can't stop

i'm just beginnin to swell

you know where the weight room is?
...?
...s cool, i'll check it out...

Edited by Soy, 16 June 2013 - 12:54 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Mizore, on 16 June 2013 - 09:57 AM, said:

Omg... I think lots of people are missing the point in this thread.

It's not about people who think they are elite players (I don't know if I'm a high elo player, but at least I'm not at the lower end), it's about to show how even good players can't do anything usefull with the trial Spider when it's about fighting other mechs.
The only thing that's left to do is capping bases... because for fighting, all you have is one MedLaser (the flamer can be totally ignored).

But oh my, oh my... if some trolls are reading words like "elite" or "high elo", all they can do is to spam the thread instead of using their brains to read between the lines >.<

OR....


you are missing the point of our trolling. Believe it or not, we understand he is saying, if you are all this and a bag a chips, chances are you STILL suck in a Spider. But I started the trolling by pointing out that we can only ASSUME what our actual ELO scores are. And you do understand when one ASSUMES they make an ASSoutofU&ME.

Funny part is you accuse of of getting all worked up, when we are just cheerfully trolling the tight pantied leets, knowing how easy it is.

[Pater Mors]

I'll give it a crack next time I play. Haven't been on for a few days since The Last of Us came out.

[Soy]

yeah i do challenges like this sometimes, when i want to

but that's just cuz everyone should see how jacked and tan i am

but not now chief, im in the ****** zone

ps - see this? my new ****** spider. my boys? they all got the same spider. gonna grind on every piece of hero mech that walks thru that door tonight

Edited by Soy, 16 June 2013 - 01:03 PM.

[MasterErrant]

who cares. who cares about elo. who cares about "competitive" players. the whole concept is opposed to what the game is supposed to be about. the players who obsess over elo are largely the one ruining the gome for those who want to play "Mechwarrior" a team based battletech sim/shooter... elo only exists to facillitate matxchmaking.

The stock spider's a crap combat ride. it always was and it always will be it a great recon asset and a good anti infantry asset but not anti mech. it's only this versions distortions which make it so. at all.

Edited by MasterErrant, 17 June 2013 - 03:24 PM.

[One Medic Army]

Chavette, on 16 June 2013 - 12:21 PM, said:

How is the target value made up? Just curious if you think the same way as I.

No idea, I know how I'd implement it, but I don't know how PGI implemented it.

[Skadi]

One Medic Army, on 16 June 2013 - 11:02 AM, said:

Well, except that PGI has specifically stated that each game has a target value, and it fills the game with people close to the value.
The only averaging happening is when you're grouped it averages to find the group's Elo. (premade teams)

I've seen the same sort of thing with terrible players mixed in with good players, I assume they're just still falling down from their poptart heights, or the matchmaker got a bit loose due to wait times.

ive come to accept that when im searching for longer than 1 min its looking for terribads to put on my team.

Edited by Skadi, 16 June 2013 - 02:13 PM.

[Xie Belvoule]

Skadi, on 16 June 2013 - 02:10 PM, said:

ive come to accept that when im searching for longer than 1 min its looking for terribads to put on my team.