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[Dragoon20005]

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AMD is gonna lose big time!!!

Intel 8 Core Extreme is coming next year

Supports DDR4 with crazy amount of SATA and USB ports which i dont even think i will use all of them unless for RAID

AMD have to buck up coz your 5GHz CPU isnt gonna scare Intel even one bit

Edited by Dragoon20005, 17 June 2013 - 01:04 AM.

[Dragoon20005]

DDR4 speed will start from 2133Mhz running on even lower voltage as compare to DDR3 but at a higher latency

on board L3 cache now will be up to up to 20MB and total of 16 threads for the 8 core version

but there is a catch, the somewhat newer socket 2011-3 is NOT backward compatible to the current SandyBridge-E CPUs

meaning you cant use the new board with your old extreme CPU, you will need to buy the newer CPU

so i am guessing the pricing will be somewhat similar to the current pricing of the SandyBridge-E CPU or higher at initial launch.

[The Gunman]

Dragoon20005, on 18 June 2013 - 04:29 PM, said:

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but there is a catch, the somewhat newer socket 2011-3 is NOT backward compatible to the current SandyBridge-E CPUs

meaning you cant use the new board with your old extreme CPU, you will need to buy the newer CPU

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What about a new HW-E in an old 2011 socket?

[Badconduct]

Keep in mind AMD runs 8core-APU's in the PS4, which use DDR5. They already have the tech, there just isn't enough market for a $2500 build.

The PS4, in comparison, has an 8-core Jaguar AMD CPU, with a GPU that’s around the same level as the Radeon 7870 (which is significantly more powerful than the 7790). The PS4 has 8GB of GDDR5 RAM, providing 176GB/s of bandwidth to both the CPU and GPU.

AMD isn't behind Intel. They don't really compete in the high end markets. AMD has wicked intigrated graphics, and Intel does not. Intel depends 50% on Nvidia and 50% on AMD/ATI to even make a computer that can play games.

Nvidia is moving out of PC gaming. They are focusing on their ARM processor.
http://finance.yahoo...-172100481.html

AMD is all about the APU's now. They have two major contracts, Xbox One and PS4. They do not depend on the PC market as much, especially with ATI still being profitable.

Do you remember what happened to cars back in 2008?
http://www.economist.com/node/13782942

PC will hit that bump soon.

Edited by Badconduct, 18 June 2013 - 07:52 PM.

[Frenchtoastman]

GDDR5 is gpu RAM, not motherboard RAM.

Edit: Unless they've found a magical way to use GDDR5 in the MB as well, which would be awesome.

Edited by Frenchtoastman, 18 June 2013 - 07:49 PM.

[Badconduct]

When you stick it on the motherboard, it's DDR5. There isn't much difference between video ram and PC ram, other than the performance. (and cost)

[Frenchtoastman]

The info you bolded still called it GDDR5 though, and I thought there were other issues besides cost keeping it off of boards for the last several years.

[Badconduct]

Frenchtoastman, on 18 June 2013 - 08:41 PM, said:

The info you bolded still called it GDDR5 though, and I thought there were other issues besides cost keeping it off of boards for the last several years.

Getting everyone to switch to DDR5 would be difficult? Just think about what would happen if AMD switched away from DDR4.

Remember RAMBUS?

Edited by Badconduct, 19 June 2013 - 05:58 AM.

[Frenchtoastman]

Are there any places/online stores even selling DDR4 yet? I'd bet that anything claiming a mass produced system is running DDR5 on the board is a typo or confusion from a GPU running an amount of RAM usually only seen on boards or modeling/specialty GPUs.

[FearNotDeath]

AMD is gonna lose big time because of a chip that will be selling for 1000+ dollars? ok....

Onto the next thing amd's future is with HSA which Intel doesn't have. It's still to be released you can't really compare the 2014 haswell-E to piledriver, piledriver was developed to compete with ivybridge. Let's see how steamroller performs which will be the rival to haswell.

[ArmageddonKnight]

I'll keep my 3930k. It wont be worth changing to a haswell e.
The performance increase per core/thread will be negligable probably ~15%. The extra cores are only usful in the few apps that are truly multi thread optimised and tbh a 3930k is more than good enough for those not looking at high end Xeons, hell even a relativly cheap Xeon like the E5-2690 is a 8 core 16 thread cpu that can potentialy OC to 4ghz.
Got mu 3930k in Nov/Dec 2012 , Im likely to get a good 4 years out of it with the way things are going.

[Sen]

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[color=#959595]The performance increase per core/thread will be negligable probably ~15%[/color]

I'd take this a bit farther: Most programs outside of the professional sector don't utilize 4 cores, much less the 4/8 setup of the i7 TO SAY NOTHING of the 6/12 of the 3930k/3960x

I don't need 8/16, and after building out a 3930k, the thought of dumping that kind of money again kinda makes nauseous.

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[color=#959595]DDR4 speed will start from 2133Mhz running on even lower voltage as compare to DDR3 but at a higher latency[/color]

Have they released any kind of in depth overview of DDR4 vs DDR3 yet? I know everything over 1600 DDR3 is considered "overclocked", is DDR4 2133 the standard starting point?

Also, are we really talking that much of a performance difference between lower latency 1866 DDR3 and higher latency faster DDR4? I'm sure it's an improvement, and I'm about to warm up my google fu, but my suspicion is that real world application isn't going to be all that. .

I'll come eat my words if I find differently, of course ; )

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[color=#959595]Got mu 3930k in Nov/Dec 2012 , Im likely to get a good 4 years out of it with the way things are going. [/color]

At the rate software development is advancing, I'd bump that out to 6-8

[Dragoon20005]

still we have like next year to see how this will shape up

by that time we will really see DDR4s in the market

to infinity... and beyond!!!