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[Sybreed]

Kraven Kor, on 21 June 2013 - 03:21 PM, said:

This is not "L2P." I'm not overjoyed by PPC meta or whatever myself.

But.

I run a Blackjack.

With Large Lasers. Which, understand, makes me terrible, right there. No two ways about it.

However.

I still rarely die without having used some other parts of my mech to absorb a bit of damage, spread it around.

Do I get CT cored? Here and there, yes. I run an XL, and here and there, I get taken out by a few big alpha's or focused fire from enemy mechs and losing a side torso, having dealt pathetic amounts of damage and generally feeling useless.

None of this invalidates what is being said.

Torso twist, use cover, make sure they have more than one target available to them, and you can still do very well even in builds seen as "crappy" or "hilariously awful" as mine sometimes are.

I can pull the same type of good matches - 300 to 500 damage, 3 to 5 kills - in bad builds with bad piloting and my own bad decision making by occasionally not being bad and using all the good advice often posted and rejected by those with an ax to grind.

I'm just pointing that out. Sorry.

you know, there are those games that when you torso twist to evade a stalker PPC alpha, you get perfectly in front of another PPC stalker

Edited by Sybreed, 21 June 2013 - 03:27 PM.

[hammerreborn]

dario03, on 21 June 2013 - 03:22 PM, said:

That reminds me of what would happen to every commando in every game back before ecm and (s)srm nerf.

That's because that screenshot was taken before the s(s)rm and LRM nerf. This is what happened during the splash damage hayday, when people would load lrm90s and rain hell and watch mechs completely explode, like mine did. Point is, I rather have the CT issue of the OP than what happened to me in that screenie.

[Sybreed]

hammerreborn, on 21 June 2013 - 03:27 PM, said:

That's because that screenshot was taken before the s(s)rm and LRM nerf. This is what happened during the splash damage hayday, when people would load lrm90s and rain hell and watch mechs completely explode, like mine did. Point is, I rather have the CT issue of the OP than what happened to me in that screenie.

wait, that screenshot wasn't retouched? LOL, man I'm sorry for your loss. At that point, your mech should delete itself from your garage.

[Rofl]

hammerreborn, on 21 June 2013 - 03:27 PM, said:

That's because that screenshot was taken before the s(s)rm and LRM nerf. This is what happened during the splash damage hayday, when people would load lrm90s and rain hell and watch mechs completely explode, like mine did. Point is, I rather have the CT issue of the OP than what happened to me in that screenie.

While the missile issue was a much bigger deal, it shouldn't affect the current complaint.

That's like saying, "Man, remember when the McDonald's people would put 10 boogers in your hamburger? I'm so glad they only put 5 in there!"

Also, love playing with ya hammer. Keep rocking them lights.

[hammerreborn]

Sybreed, on 21 June 2013 - 03:29 PM, said:

wait, that screenshot wasn't retouched? LOL, man I'm sorry for your loss. At that point, your mech should delete itself from your garage.

Nope, completely legit. For full blown hit with massive amounts of LRMs in my Jenner. I like keeping that around for when people say the game was better pre nerf and that splash wasn't a big deal. Then again, seeing that was on a light, I can understand why people want it back

Rofl, on 21 June 2013 - 03:30 PM, said:

While the missile issue was a much bigger deal, it shouldn't affect the current complaint.

That's like saying, "Man, remember when the McDonald's people would put 10 boogers in your hamburger? I'm so glad they only put 5 in there!"

Also, love playing with ya hammer. Keep rocking them lights.

Thx, like playing with you as well. The only problem is that op got hit by LRMs and ppcs, none of which he appeared to torso twist to avoid. While ct coring is pretty much how I die everytime in my Jenner, I'm still always able to get damage everywhere on my mech except for the rare OHKO.

In my screen, those types of deaths were unavoidable. No torso twisting would have prevented my entire mech from becoming ash.

LRMs going straight CT is still a problem, but still marginally better than just outright destroying every portion of your mech no matter what you do

Edited by hammerreborn, 21 June 2013 - 03:41 PM.

[Petroshka]

Way too much weapon variety on your kill list.

Edited by Petroshka, 21 June 2013 - 04:14 PM.

[CancR]

This is exactly where PGI wants MWO to be. It;s what a CoD players thinks a MW game should be.

[Und3rSc0re]

All i see is skill and lrms with streaks doing center torso damage lol. Also torso twisting in some mechs does not mean the lrms and streaks wont hit center torso anyway.

[Sybreed]

Und3rSc0re, on 21 June 2013 - 03:56 PM, said:

All i see is skill and lrms with streaks doing center torso damage lol. Also torso twisting in some mechs does not mean the lrms and streaks wont hit center torso anyway.

nah believe me, there are at least 3 PPC salvos in there, it's just that a Cat decided to throw some missiles at me for some reason

[Tatula]

Sybreed, on 21 June 2013 - 01:43 PM, said:

CT cored, rest of armor barely touched. That's MWO for you.

I bet you got back-shot by some light or medium. I've killed several Atlas in my medium that way. You can get cored much easier from the back than the front.

Edit: My bad... didn't look at the rear armor paperdoll. :-)

Edited by Aloha, 21 June 2013 - 05:52 PM.

[Sybreed]

Aloha, on 21 June 2013 - 05:41 PM, said:

I bet you got back-shot by some light or medium. I've killed several Atlas in my medium that way. You can get cored much easier from the back than the front.

you bet huh? that would mean that lights, probably using lasers, were able to pinpoint my Rear CT without ever touching my rear RT and LT. No, I have enough awareness for that, plus I doubt the enemy team had any medium/light.

[Angel of Annihilation]

hammerreborn, on 21 June 2013 - 03:05 PM, said:

You know whats worse than that picture? This one

So this is how the damage screen looks when you eject

[Inkarnus]

hammerreborn, on 21 June 2013 - 03:05 PM, said:

You know whats worse than that picture? This one

well seems urbz got a victim

[Gallowglas]

hammerreborn, on 21 June 2013 - 03:05 PM, said:

You know whats worse than that picture? This one

/Jenner runs around corner

*big explosion noises and lots of lights*

/Head of Jenner bounces into sight from around corner

/Team goes a different way

[El Bandito]

Convergence urgently needs to be added.

http://mwomercs.com/...t-fire-weapons/

Edited by El Bandito, 21 June 2013 - 10:06 PM.

[Novakaine]

hammerreborn, on 21 June 2013 - 03:05 PM, said:

You know whats worse than that picture? This one

HAHAHA that was my kill I remember that one.

[hammerreborn]

Novakaine, on 21 June 2013 - 10:29 PM, said:

HAHAHA that was my kill I remember that one.

Unless you are Noonan it clearly wasn't =P

[ExtremeA79]

ShadowVFX, on 21 June 2013 - 02:30 PM, said:

My God you are such an *****.

OP: I hear ya. I guess Darren has never looked at a STK with 6 PPCs (or two, as is usually the case). 'Cause all it takes is a second and you're dead. No "torso twist" is gonna save you from that.

Btw Darren, how do you hit your targets when you don't look at them? I'm curious to know more about this skill of yours.

Obviously you have your arms always locked. I don't.
And if you actually looked, he was damaged by a variety of weapons, mostly LRM's, and a finishing blow by a laser. It wasn't PPC's that killed him.

My post was meant for that situation. If the OP was smart, he could have easily spread the damage evenly across his mech simply by twisting. This would not be a difficult feat to accomplish especially since it is LRM's that hammered him, and a laser that finished him. LRM's are not super fast. Laser's do not deliver all their damage at one point. Either he was staying still, or he was pushed into the twilight zone when the missiles hit him.

Look at the map he is playing. Canyon.
That map has alot of cover on it. Unless the OP was blindly charging the enemy, there should not be a reason that he has light damage everywhere but the CT, which was decimated by LRM's and a Laser.

The basic thing is, you should be using everything to your advantage, including your own mech by twisting.
Twisting can save your life.

Edited by Darren Tyler, 23 June 2013 - 11:10 AM.

[Takony]

OP: you were cored by LRM-s.
LRM-s with accuracy between 20-35%.
No compassion for that.
You can like stand behind things.

Be glad that you don't live or die by your total 60 armor point side torso getting opened in 1 (one) shot if someone gets the jump on you.

[senaiboy]

Darren Tyler, on 23 June 2013 - 11:02 AM, said:

The basic thing is, you should be using everything to your advantage, including your own mech by twisting.
Twisting can save your life.

There is only so much twisting you can do - last I checked you can't aim your arms 90 degrees horizontally so some part of your CT will still be exposed.

I have fought with and against some very skilled PPC stalkers, they don't need you to fully expose your CT or for more than a few seconds to be able to land hits on your CT - because they already have their crosshair on it and just waiting to pull the trigger.