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[tenderloving]

Koniving, on 21 June 2013 - 03:03 PM, said:

Unlock your arms. When my CT or typically my RT (Atlas RS with XL engine and Gauss rifle in one side) gets red internals, I'll torso twist so that my good side faces the enemy, and fire from the arms.

Twist away, hold CTRL, point at enemy, keep shooting. Turn accordingly to give yourself more leeway or to better protect that side.

Do BJs have lower actuators so you can fire your arm weapons to the left or right? Does every mech have actuators? Do all mechs carry all of their weapons in arms with lower actuators?

Kraven Kor, on 21 June 2013 - 03:21 PM, said:

This is not "L2P." I'm not overjoyed by PPC meta or whatever myself.

But.

I run a Blackjack.

With Large Lasers. Which, understand, makes me terrible, right there. No two ways about it.

However.

I still rarely die without having used some other parts of my mech to absorb a bit of damage, spread it around.

Do I get CT cored? Here and there, yes. I run an XL, and here and there, I get taken out by a few big alpha's or focused fire from enemy mechs and losing a side torso, having dealt pathetic amounts of damage and generally feeling useless.

None of this invalidates what is being said.

Torso twist, use cover, make sure they have more than one target available to them, and you can still do very well even in builds seen as "crappy" or "hilariously awful" as mine sometimes are.

I can pull the same type of good matches - 300 to 500 damage, 3 to 5 kills - in bad builds with bad piloting and my own bad decision making by occasionally not being bad and using all the good advice often posted and rejected by those with an ax to grind.

I'm just pointing that out. Sorry.

Nothing to apologize about. However there are a lot of conditions in your post, and they seem to assume that your opponent is a helpless automaton that is going to behave exactly how you want him to, even though he knows his own limitations.

[Koniving]

tenderloving, on 23 June 2013 - 05:57 PM, said:

Do BJs have lower actuators so you can fire your arm weapons to the left or right? Does every mech have actuators? Do all mechs carry all of their weapons in arms with lower actuators?

What do Blackjacks and mechs without lower arm actuators have to do with a Highlander pilot that doesn't know how to torso twist? My advice was given to a Highlander pilot who spends too much time staring at an enemy with highly concentrated damage potential.

But since you're interested, Blackjacks can use the barrels of their arms to soak up shots by looking down as they twist (or up if it's missiles) in order to protect their torsos so long as they didn't go all lasers. I do it frequently.

Edited by Koniving, 23 June 2013 - 06:15 PM.

[Urdnot Mau]

This image just shows what's obvious about the current metagame: Pack as much Damage per ALPHA as you can.
I've had 1 match where i died with my CT gone and all the rest grey (except for fall damage). I was playing in Canyons and i was hiding behind a rock at the left side and i saw 1 marker aproaching. I went out of cover to take a shot and i saw multiple markers and reversed throttle. Before i started walking back i was dead.
IMO it only shows the worst of this game and how the "Call of Duty" mentality is taking over.
To escape that, i learned to avoid playing at 18-22 hours PDT. That's when most of the people is running very hardcore builds.

Edited by Urdnot Mau, 23 June 2013 - 06:28 PM.

[Corbon Zackery]

Yep its those LRMs again fubar as always you got hit by 25 missiles for 1.1 dmg then got finished off.

That's why they nerfed them then they gave in to pressure and brought them back up to wow will give you free missiles.

Plus they have not fixed the angle of launch that's near 90 degrees so you can launch them over terrain and the angle when targeted has not been fixed yet so cover is worthless right now.

[Sybreed]

no it wasn't LRMS that dealt most of the damage, PPCs did, it's simply not shown in the damage summary.

[Sybreed]

Takony, on 23 June 2013 - 03:42 PM, said:

OP: you were cored by LRM-s.
LRM-s with accuracy between 20-35%.
No compassion for that.
You can like stand behind things.

Be glad that you don't live or die by your total 60 armor point side torso getting opened in 1 (one) shot if someone gets the jump on you.

see other post

[ExtremeA79]

senaiboy, on 23 June 2013 - 04:05 PM, said:

There is only so much twisting you can do - last I checked you can't aim your arms 90 degrees horizontally so some part of your CT will still be exposed.

I have fought with and against some very skilled PPC stalkers, they don't need you to fully expose your CT or for more than a few seconds to be able to land hits on your CT - because they already have their crosshair on it and just waiting to pull the trigger.

Only so much? Torso twisting can save your life.I am sure that most mechs can twist 90 degrees without the twist X. BTW, if you are in a brawl, and you get sniped? That is a good tactic. Having support. So I can say that your team did not have some lights to deal/distract the support. They have a better team.
AGAIN if you look, it was not PPC's that killed him. I am not sure it was even the main damager. Mostly LRM'***** the OP. And if the OP cannot torso twist to spread damage against slow missiles, he needs to hit the training grounds,

Edited by Darren Tyler, 23 June 2013 - 09:11 PM.

[Dracol]

hammerreborn, on 21 June 2013 - 03:05 PM, said:

You know whats worse than that picture? This one

When I saw this i almost laughed my head off.

Oops, sorry. To soon?

[Reported for Inappropriate Name]

my favorite is getting shot once and having red armor in a side torso on my atlas, 30 seconds into the game on my way out of the base. remember when the developers said they doubled armor to prevent fast games, and two shotting assaults? welp.

If I could I'd run a 4 man with nothing but 6 ppc stalkers. would probably be the fastest and most efficient farming method in the game at the moment.

also, torso twist doesn't save you from burst damage. fantastic against lasers or other sustain type weapons, or the occasional missed ppc. but against ac20/gauss/ppc boats? no. whatever they touch is going to break. And it wouldn't bother me at all if it wasn't for the massive damage disparity meaning I have absolutely no chance of winning any kind of fight that involves them shooting back.

although i will leave you with this tasty nugget.

so long as the damage to hitpoint ratio remains high, the only effective weapons will be burst weapons, and naturally these will be the farthest reaching burst weapons, as many packed in as possible.

of course nobody important browses here, and I've already been told off by the important people i've messaged or talked to on teamspeak back in the day, so really? just riding the wagon till the wheels fall off. If hubris is the rust on the frame, at least I'll have a good seat to watch it eat the steel.

also i thought they fixed crashing after the searching screen?

Edited by Battlecruiser, 23 June 2013 - 11:11 PM.

[Truesight]

You guys do not think enough, if the enemy torso twists, you just have to shoot between the legs, this is always front torso.

I can hit your front torso even if you are faced away (with your TORSO!).

Torso twisting will help you against noobs, accomplished players work around this!

[senaiboy]

Darren Tyler, on 23 June 2013 - 09:11 PM, said:

Only so much? Torso twisting can save your life.I am sure that most mechs can twist 90 degrees without the twist X. BTW, if you are in a brawl, and you get sniped? That is a good tactic. Having support. So I can say that your team did not have some lights to deal/distract the support. They have a better team.
AGAIN if you look, it was not PPC's that killed him. I am not sure it was even the main damager. Mostly LRM'***** the OP. And if the OP cannot torso twist to spread damage against slow missiles, he needs to hit the training grounds,

I meant when you are firing back at the enemy, part of your CT will still be exposed because arms can't aim 90 degrees horizontally. The whole time you are torso twisted away from the enemy you're not really doing anything but soaking damage.

It wasn't PPC that killed him, but he said PPC dealt the most damage - the death screen does not give any further details so you just have to give him the benefit of the doubt, he was the one who got killed. In fact, you shouldn't think everyone doesn't know how to play (or torso twist). Most of us have been here long enough.

[Riptor]

If it had been LRMs that dealt the most damage to him his mech would have been in worse condition then all around yellow.

Chances are the PPCs opened up his center torso in one or two hits and the LRMs finished him off due to splash damage.

You can twist as much as you want an LRM salvo will still hit your center torso.

Edited by Riptor, 24 June 2013 - 03:00 AM.

[Acid Phase]

hammerreborn, on 21 June 2013 - 03:05 PM, said:

You know whats worse than that picture? This one

Just wow. Although it should have allowed you to keep fighting. Maybe to at least lunge a cockpit item at the enemy. Just saying.

Edited by Acid Phase, 24 June 2013 - 05:51 AM.

[MustrumRidcully]

Truesight, on 23 June 2013 - 11:24 PM, said:

You guys do not think enough, if the enemy torso twists, you just have to shoot between the legs, this is always front torso.

I can hit your front torso even if you are faced away (with your TORSO!).

Torso twisting will help you against noobs, accomplished players work around this!

And do you hit it every time?

Sometimes all you can do is make things a tiny bit more difficult for the enemy. It's still an advantage to do so.

[Accursed Richards]

To the OP, you've got guts in posting that here. You must have known the ZOMGSKILL crew were going to come down on you like a ton of bricks and basically call you a liar.

I also like the assumption flying round in here, that if you look at your opponent for more than a second, then getting your CT drilled out is just what you gotta expect to happen. Really? Has the current metagame given you Stockholm Syndrome to the point where this is how you think Battletech should be, or are you just desperate to feel superior to someone?

Edited by Accursed Richards, 24 June 2013 - 06:09 AM.

[Training Instructor]

I've torso twisted a lot in my Highlanders, and sometimes the hits still land on the CT.

If your opponent is good, they don't fire at your shield arm, they fire when you turn back to shoot them, or they shoot you in the back if you turn to run away.

[Yanlowen Cage]

Yes, he probably should have twisted his torso. Nuff said on that. Had this happen to me, round a corner into a ac40 jager. I fire, he fires. I am cored ct. Glass cannon jager 8) that that is some funny **** right there. 78 kph, full armor minus a few points off the legs, plenty of ammo. Doesn't seem very glass to me. Anyway. It happens and it is annoying. About as annoying as getting headshot across the map in forest colony. Aim bot? Nah some one learned spawn locations and randomly fires "TOO" long ranged weapons at a guessed spot.

[hammerreborn]

Acid Phase, on 24 June 2013 - 05:48 AM, said:

Just wow. Although it should have allowed you to keep fighting. Maybe to at least lunge a cockpit item at the enemy. Just saying.

Nah, pretty sure the pilot drowned as soon as the cockpit hit the water, lol. Though it is funny to look at the picture and go "hey, pgi said no stackpoling!"

[Koniving]

Koniving, on 21 June 2013 - 03:03 PM, said:

Unlock your arms. When my CT or typically my RT (Atlas RS with XL engine and Gauss rifle in one side) gets red internals, I'll torso twist so that my good side faces the enemy, and fire from the arms.

Twist away, hold CTRL, point at enemy, keep shooting. Turn accordingly to give yourself more leeway or to better protect that side.

I'll update this with a real example in a bit, but for now this was an old, old video. Atlas, basics only.

There's two matches. In the first one I'm doing it for precision aiming. Video was recorded before arm-lock, back when the game was fun. You couldn't do pin-point shots with all weapons unless you steadied your aim for 0.5 seconds.

In the second match I am doing it because I'm using my UAC/5s to suppress the enemies coming over the cup while using the lasers to shoot at lights and other threats to keep them at bay. Yes. I am actually shooting at 2 people in 2 locations at the same time.

Notice how I'm frequently using just the arms?
This is a skill lost on players that started after armlock.

Edited by Koniving, 24 June 2013 - 07:48 AM.

[Volts]

hammerreborn, on 21 June 2013 - 03:05 PM, said:

You know whats worse than that picture? This one

IT'S JUST A FLESH WOUND