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[Wulvar]

hey guys I am fairly new to the game only been playing for about a week. Is this a decent build for a J6-DD build or is it just a trash build I have seen a few people with it including myself except I just bought it and cant afford the XL 315 engine yet. http://mwo.smurfy-ne...09f82543afa4f75

[C A R N A G E]

I've mostly seen that build with ppc/erppcs not so much with er large lasers and to me looks like your carrying way to much mg ammo.I would drop 3 tons of it in favor of heat sinks,armor,larger engine but if it works for you roll with it.:-) :-)

[Asmosis]

6000 rounds (3 tons) is plenty for 6 MG's, that's what I use on my DD and can be used almost constantly.

actually a bit of math based on 8 rounds/sec, you can fire 6 machine guns continuously for just over 2 minutes with 3 tons of ammo. 2 full minutes of brawling action is likely to be longer than your mech can survive most of the time

Also swap SHS for DHS, you can enough spare crit slots to fit the DHS in. Ammo in the legs (3 MG + 1 AMS) and beagle in CT. CASE does nothing if you have a XL engine, so that can be dropped regardless. It only stops damage transferring to CT if side torso is destroyed, but that's already game over.

Edited by Asmosis, 21 June 2013 - 09:06 PM.

[Wulvar]

thanks for the reply guys think im going with ppcs I saved up enough Cbills for it 3 tons of ammo? I got 8000 rounds right now that's too much I take it so I guess I will trade out some stuff again thanks for the quick responses

Edited by Wulvar, 21 June 2013 - 09:12 PM.

[Spheroid]

Insanely bad ammo placement.

[Raso]

For more of an up close punch.

For more at range options.

For real men.

[Munk8]

4 ac2's is a hoot.

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...b70acaad2882e65

[senaiboy]

If you're going for 2xERPPC + 6MGs, this is the build I would use:
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...da6feec60b47c6b

A few tips:
1. Avoid XL engine in Jagers if possible - most players aim for their large side torsos due to its large hitbox and weaker armor.
2. Ditch the Beagle Probe. They are most useful if you pack LRMs, otherwise the 1.5 tons are better used elsewhere.
3. Just 2 tons (4000) of MG ammo is enough, Jagers don't last long in brawls at MG's range.
4. Avoid brawls, unless you are supporting friendly Assault mechs like Atlas or Stalker in a push.
5. Jager's arms are very very rarely targeted, so you can skimp on armor there. Besides, the worst if your arm is destroyed is you lose 3 MGs.
6. Split ammo as much as you can into the least targeted areas. Head, Arms, and Legs are better places than CT/side torsos.

Edited by senaiboy, 22 June 2013 - 07:23 PM.

[Raso]

senaiboy, on 22 June 2013 - 07:21 PM, said:

If you're going for 2xERPPC + 6MGs, this is the build I would use:
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...da6feec60b47c6b

A few tips:
1. Avoid XL engine in Jagers if possible - most players aim for their large side torsos due to its large hitbox and weaker armor.
2. Ditch the Beagle Probe. They are most useful if you pack LRMs, otherwise the 1.5 tons are better used elsewhere.
3. Just 2 tons (4000) of MG ammo is enough, Jagers don't last long in brawls at MG's range.
4. Avoid brawls, unless you are supporting friendly Assault mechs like Atlas or Stalker in a push.
5. Jager's arms are very very rarely targeted, so you can skimp on armor there. Besides, the worst if your arm is destroyed is you lose 3 MGs.
6. Split ammo as much as you can into the least targeted areas. Head, Arms, and Legs are better places than CT/side torsos.

A minor optimization.

Though, to be fair, you'll probably lose your ERPPCs quickly after your armor drops (which is why my JM6-S uses 4 small lasers rather than 2 medium lasers) but and having the DHS in your torso will help to buffer it from crits. To that regard I would suggest you put all of your DHS in your side torsos rather than just a few.

[Sathaless]

JM6-DD

This is the build I've been using for a while. Like others have said, try to avoid using XL engines in Jagers as the side torsos seem to get blown out relatively easy. The ER-PPCs strike a small area and strip armor much better than lasers which is what you're trying to do so the MG's can crit the internals. All in all this is a fun build and it got even better with the recent patch.

Also, if you want AMS, you can shave .25 tons of each leg to add AMS and switch a ton of MG ammo for AMS ammo.

Edited by Sathaless, 22 June 2013 - 07:46 PM.

[senaiboy]

Raso, on 22 June 2013 - 07:34 PM, said:

A minor optimization.

Though, to be fair, you'll probably lose your ERPPCs quickly after your armor drops (which is why my JM6-S uses 4 small lasers rather than 2 medium lasers) but and having the DHS in your torso will help to buffer it from crits. To that regard I would suggest you put all of your DHS in your side torsos rather than just a few.

Ah didn't realise he got FF armor instead of Endo-steel. I'll go with Raso's build, STD engine 300 is a good investment as it is very versatile, you can reuse it in most Heavy/Assault builds.

One thing to note about ERPPC on a Jager-DD is that they are fired from its side torsos, so you won't be able to aim up/down as much, and it's not feasible to peek and shoot over a hill (too much of your mech is exposed if you try to do so).

Edited by senaiboy, 22 June 2013 - 07:45 PM.

[Sathaless]

Well, playing around in mechlab I think this is a better version. Slightly smaller engine, but much better heat efficiency.

JM6-DD

[Raso]

senaiboy, on 22 June 2013 - 07:45 PM, said:

One thing to note about ERPPC on a Jager-DD is that they are fired from its side torsos, so you won't be able to aim up/down as much, and it's not feasible to peek and shoot over a hill (too much of your mech is exposed if you try to do so).

An excellent point to bring up (and a reason why the Firebrand makes me moist). That's one reason I suggested large pulse lasers in an above build. You have superior close range damage, though you are also very broad and your side torsos are very large so brawling would be quite risky. But a man does not strap 6 machine guns onto a heavy class mech to be competitive, he does it because he can!

[POOTYTANGASAUR]

Wulvar, on 21 June 2013 - 08:25 PM, said:

hey guys I am fairly new to the game only been playing for about a week. Is this a decent build for a J6-DD build or is it just a trash build I have seen a few people with it including myself except I just bought it and cant afford the XL 315 engine yet. http://mwo.smurfy-ne...09f82543afa4f75

DONT WASTE THE MONEY ON AN XL315. You can run a std 300 with no losses in any way except like 20 lower armor which is useless. - http://mwo.smurfy-ne...8d5e28ae4e476b1 - Also case is worthless with an xl because it contains the explosion to one torso and will still destroy an xl engine.

[Wulvar]

Here is the mech im running in now lol do way more damage then my jager did and higher survivability http://mwo.smurfy-ne...ef30ceab6254701 most of the time, im going to try the jagermech again with Sathaless build I sold the XL engine out of the Jager I had the one that came with the Stock version of it. So far the build is not complete on the Jagermech I need 2,550,000 Cbills to fic it up the right way according to Sathaless post. The jager was fun but the cicada I have had some wild matches in doing well over 450 damage in a fight before and taking on LRM boats with other lights or meds is fun to watch them go down haha. Thanks for all the build strats I like messing around with these mechs reminds me of the old board game I used to play in the 90's if only my compendium 2nd edition wouldn't have gotten messed up. Had a lot of fun those days. played with the neighbors and my brother a lot. Im going to google the compendium and see if it exists still or a variation of it . well later all and GL on your matches.

[LoboSG]

what? no one mentioned the 'cheese' build?

Good for forcing you to learn to shoot weak points because you have very limited ammo, and the reward is great when you do do it. Last time, even when I use pew pew (unlimited ammo), I just jizzed all over the place. After playing the cheese build to level my jagers (no DHS, no endo for first 2 jager as I didn't want to waste c-bills... so no backup lasers for them), I am now much more conscientious in looking for weakened points on enemies.

[Raso]

LoboSG, on 24 June 2013 - 12:10 AM, said:

what? no one mentioned the 'cheese' build?

Good for forcing you to learn to shoot weak points because you have very limited ammo, and the reward is great when you do do it. Last time, even when I use pew pew (unlimited ammo), I just jizzed all over the place. After playing the cheese build to level my jagers (no DHS, no endo for first 2 jager as I didn't want to waste c-bills... so no backup lasers for them), I am now much more conscientious in looking for weakened points on enemies.

You can dual dual AC40s on any Jager mech. Everyone knows about the cheese, there's really no reason to bring it up. I think unless you have some crazy and innovative AC40 build there's really no reason to suggest it.

Besides, it works way better on the JM6-S since the mech costs much less and you can use 4 lasers if you have to tonnage. This topic is about the DDs.

[Wulvar]

ok I tried out that build and I do decent damage with it anyone know of a good LB10XAC X2 build? + 2 small pulse lasers heres what I came up with with my current engine I would have to mess around in the lab for more space to fit that armament in any suggestions would be awesome. heres what I have so far http://mwo.smurfy-ne...26a412c0e724797 need more ammo tho only have 3 tons is that enough??

Edited by Wulvar, 24 June 2013 - 08:52 PM.

[Sathaless]

I personally wouldn't recommend it. The LBX are fun, but underpowered and the spread, although reduced recently, still spreads out the damage instead of focusing the damage on a single point, but if you want to give a shot, I think this will be your best bet.

JM6-DD

[Punk Oblivion]

I LOVE the idea of the LBX-10, but sadly as Sathaless said, it is currently underpowered. In fact the AC2 has the same DPS as the LBX-10 for less weight/space and more ammo/range...

But if you want the shotgun and machine guns something ridiculous like this maybe?
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...84af6de589fdb01

*Note I have NOT played this build, it is totally theoretical. Though I may try it out tonight

Edited by Punk Oblivion, 24 June 2013 - 09:59 PM.