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#41 Aelos03

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Posted 09 June 2012 - 05:57 PM

View PostSybreed, on 09 June 2012 - 04:58 PM, said:


they just proved not long ago that they did some mistakes calibrating the instruments and such, the particle never went FTL


didn't know that , but still we don't know is it possible to go ftl or not, also main problem in achieving something like that is energy that is needed to do that.

#42 Tyra

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Posted 09 June 2012 - 06:05 PM

View PostAelos03, on 09 June 2012 - 05:57 PM, said:


didn't know that , but still we don't know is it possible to go ftl or not, also main problem in achieving something like that is energy that is needed to do that.


The problem is it requires infinite levels of energy to actually hit light speed. The closer you get to light speed, the more energy you need on an exponential level.

The way Star Trek got around it was they created a warp bubble around the ship, that basically lowered the energy requirement, and raised the speed limit.

There's also theories about moving the universe around the ship.

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Posted 09 June 2012 - 06:10 PM

View PostTyra, on 09 June 2012 - 06:05 PM, said:


The problem is it requires infinite levels of energy to actually hit light speed. The closer you get to light speed, the more energy you need on an exponential level.

The way Star Trek got around it was they created a warp bubble around the ship, that basically lowered the energy requirement, and raised the speed limit.

There's also theories about moving the universe around the ship.


well we all know it takes infinite energy to do that but to try that theories like star trek bubble or bending space still requires enormous energy.

#44 TriggerhappySOB

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Posted 09 June 2012 - 06:18 PM

View PostAdamantVallation, on 08 June 2012 - 09:23 PM, said:

Next is portable practical fusion power plants, again they got us on that one, though we already have prototype fusion devices.


I think you are referring to 'fision' not fusion... its just the opposite, and if we do have fusion reactors, then how do you know about it? ;)
Just saying thats not something that would be public knowledge yet, as being able to contain a sun would be... very advantageous...

#45 Sychodemus

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Posted 09 June 2012 - 06:34 PM

Sci-fi settings are merely a modern interpretation of a future/alternate reality. Sometimes the writers will have addendums that reinterpret technology, but most often it is best to read between the lines and go with the intent rather than worry about the specifics. If you can do that then science fiction written a hundred years ago will remain timeless classics.

#46 Dragon Lady

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Posted 09 June 2012 - 06:34 PM

View PostAdamantVallation, on 08 June 2012 - 09:23 PM, said:

So reading through some other topics earlier, it occurred to me, there are a lot of assumptions and probable misconceptions about the level of technology in the BTU. Think about it, technology really isn't all that super advanced. The main tech break through was FTL drive, okay, they got us on that one. Next is portable practical fusion power plants, again they got us on that one, though we already have prototype fusion devices, but currently they typically use more power to sustain fusion than they create. Myomer bundles[color=#000000], [/color]again something we don't have, but I don't see it as too far off. virtually all the other technology needed to make a mech exsists today, just not in forms or efficient enough examples to make it possible, let alone practical.

LRMs/SRMs: Missile tech, been using it for over half a century.
Machineguns, autocannons: We have/use lots of machine guns, auto cannons are just automatic howitzers.
Lasers: Lasers, most us have at least 1 in our computers, probably a multi wavelength one at that, the average american household probably has around a dozen lasers in it.
PPCs: Okay particle beams are a bit off yet, but the concepts already exist, and I'm sure are being prototyped.
Gauss Rifles: There are a few Discovery Channel shows all about these, we have them right now, they just aren't practical yet.
Armor/Endosteel: This is just refined metallurgy.

Heck even spacetravel, in the BTU, okay so they can build really big ships, but to travel from Zenith to orbit, they still just make 1G burns for half the trip, then flip around and burn the other way for the last half, this takes care of that pesky weightlessness in space. This brings up another point, no artificial gravity.

There are lots of other examples I could make but I think you get the point. Now some of the later material gets further and further into the SciFi realm, but honestly if you think about it, the tech of the BTU isn't massively advanced compared to our own, just mostly highly refined versions of things we can already do.


That's because Battletech is a Science Fiction game in the classical sense, as opposed to a Space Opera (aka Science Fantasy) game. About the only concession the designers made was FTL travel (and FTL communication), and that is pretty common in all but the hardest science fiction.

Another thing to keep in mind is that in the Battletech Universe, the Successor States, while they didn't quite blow themselves back to the stone age, did a pretty good job of razing many worlds back to World War I levels of technology. Sure, the nobility and military have fancy high tech toys, but for the commoners, sometimes you're lucky of have a tractor to plow your fields, rather than a horse.

And let's not forget that Comstar has been running around in the background sabotaging any attempt to improve scientific understanding and technological progress.

There's plenty of reasons why the Battletech Universe seems pretty low tech, beyond the FTL, fusion engines, and giant death robots. That's why many of us like it.

#47 Dragon Lady

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Posted 09 June 2012 - 06:48 PM

View PostTyra, on 09 June 2012 - 03:16 AM, said:


Also, you're way off base if you think teleporting people is going to be feasible that easily. They can barely transport a single proton right now.



Technically, they're not even teleporting a proton right now. They're teleporting the information about a photon, IIRC. Which is still an incredible achievement, since it does open the door to the possibility of FTL communications.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 12:44 AM

View PostDragon Lady, on 09 June 2012 - 06:48 PM, said:


Technically, they're not even teleporting a proton right now. They're teleporting the information about a photon, IIRC. Which is still an incredible achievement, since it does open the door to the possibility of FTL communications.


Yeah, it's more like copy the info than teleport it, they just used the term teleport for fancy.
When you think about it, even a telefax machine is doing this and we have them some decades.

#49 Tyra

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 02:24 AM

View PostDragon Lady, on 09 June 2012 - 06:34 PM, said:


That's because Battletech is a Science Fiction game in the classical sense, as opposed to a Space Opera (aka Science Fantasy) game. About the only concession the designers made was FTL travel (and FTL communication), and that is pretty common in all but the hardest science fiction.

Another thing to keep in mind is that in the Battletech Universe, the Successor States, while they didn't quite blow themselves back to the stone age, did a pretty good job of razing many worlds back to World War I levels of technology. Sure, the nobility and military have fancy high tech toys, but for the commoners, sometimes you're lucky of have a tractor to plow your fields, rather than a horse.

And let's not forget that Comstar has been running around in the background sabotaging any attempt to improve scientific understanding and technological progress.

There's plenty of reasons why the Battletech Universe seems pretty low tech, beyond the FTL, fusion engines, and giant death robots. That's why many of us like it.

Hard Science Fiction.

Haven't seen that term in awhile, awesome.

And quoting most of this for emphasis.

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Posted 21 June 2012 - 06:49 AM

View PostOcO, on 09 June 2012 - 05:48 PM, said:

These are games. Any and all real world parallels are meaningless.


Quite right, I didn't start the thread to try and comment on if the tech level was right/wrong, good/bad, or make anyother statements on the quality of it, just that I had noticed some "misconceptions" in some other threads. That and frankly I had some random ideas, and wanted to post them.

Really, Btech is a war game, it was designed as such, most of the technological limitations imposed on weapons systems and speeds were for the sake of making a good, balanced game. I'm totally fine with any/all of the technical advances or limitations that are in the BTU, Science Fiction, is just a division of Fiction, and Fiction is made up, so I'm fine with whatever they come up with (lava cannons excepted) but I think that most all people think that the best fiction has at least that grain of truth to it, it helps make things more plauseable.


View PostTriggerhappySOB, on 09 June 2012 - 06:18 PM, said:


I think you are referring to 'fision' not fusion... its just the opposite, and if we do have fusion reactors, then how do you know about it? :(
Just saying thats not something that would be public knowledge yet, as being able to contain a sun would be... very advantageous...


No, I am not confused, Fision, the splitting of atoms, we've been using it for decades. Fusion, the joining together of atom nuceli, http://www.ted.com/t...on_reactor.html.

There are several other stories you can google as well. More and more thought is being put toward using fusion as a viable source of reliable, clean (sort of) energy.

Edited by AdamantVallation, 21 June 2012 - 07:02 AM.






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