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[WarMonkey14]

FupDup, on 23 July 2013 - 03:49 PM, said:

...Clan XL requires both side torsos to be destroyed (because they take up only 2 slots per side). By the time a mech is reduced to a walking CT, it's pretty much useless besides capping anyways (excluding mechs with CT hardpoints).

i could live with that, but we will probably see clans wreck major havoc as they will have no weaknesses

Joseph Mallan, on 23 July 2013 - 03:50 PM, said:

In what universe? The Clan Omnis have heat written all over them. Very few if any ran cool!

the ones released by battletech yes. the ones the players made from them, no

[Joseph Mallan]

Khobai, on 23 July 2013 - 04:02 PM, said:

The stock ones. But its no secret stock mechs are terrible. Give me DHS that take up 2 crit slots and ERPPCs that do 50% more damage and I will do horrible, horrible things to you.

No you won't sir. I have been getting ready for the eventual Clan tidal wave. Why do you think I haven't complained once about any single weapon config we have had whine over? I haven't seen one that is quite as powerful as a Clan build yet. I'm just sad I will not be able to make MY Stone Rhino an show what terrifying truly is! Then again, I did destroy 6X my tonnage in a Canon Stone Rhino at GenCon, so I think I could survive in that.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 23 July 2013 - 04:08 PM.

[FupDup]

WarMonkey14, on 23 July 2013 - 04:05 PM, said:

i could live with that, but we will probably see clans wreck major havoc as they will have no weaknesses

Joseph Mallan, on 23 July 2013 - 04:07 PM, said:

No you won't sir. I have been getting ready for the eventual Clan tidal wave. Why do you think I haven't complained once about any single weapon config we have had whine over? I haven't seen one that is quite as powerful as a Clan build yet. I'm just sad I will not be able to make MY Stone Rhino an show what terrifying truly is! Then again, I did destroy 6X my tonnage in a Canon Stone Rhino at GenCon, so I think I could survive in that.

I don't think we need to worry about the Clans after seeing the stupid heat scale. PGI will just take the easy way out and give them a max alpha value of 1 or 2 on almost everything in their arsenal.

[Khobai]

The Clans do have weaknesses. Its a question of whether or not PGI will incorporate them.

1) Clans do not use C3. They should not be able to share targeting info with eachother.
2) Clans prefer 1v1 combat and consider focus firing to be dishonorable. There should be honor penalties for assisting.
3) Clans employ a bidding system which often results in them being way under tonnage compared to the enemy.

[FupDup]

Khobai, on 23 July 2013 - 04:12 PM, said:

The Clans do have weaknesses. Its a question of whether or not PGI will incorporate them.

1) Clans do not use C3. They should not be able to share targeting info with eachother.
2) Clans prefer 1v1 combat and consider focus firing to be dishonorable. There should be honor penalties for assisting.
3) Clans employ a bidding system which often results in them being way under tonnage compared to the enemy.

Numbers 2 and 3 were merely the result of lore making them complete morons. Players in MWO aren't going to be nearly as stupid most of the time. They also don't even account for Inner Sphere players who manage to capture Clan mechs (or buy them with MC, which is something that PGI HAS to allow because it's too much of a gold mine to pass up).


As I said above, I can already imagine PGI simply giving the Clans a pathetically low max alpha value for their weapons to bring them in line, as opposed to more "creative" strategies.

Edited by FupDup, 23 July 2013 - 04:17 PM.

[Joseph Mallan]

FupDup, on 23 July 2013 - 04:10 PM, said:

I don't think we need to worry about the Clans after seeing the stupid heat scale. PGI will just take the easy way out and give them a max alpha value of 1 or 2 on almost everything in their arsenal.

I think I might think about quitting if that is the case. I can't see the boogieman having it's teeth pulled.

FupDup, on 23 July 2013 - 04:14 PM, said:

Numbers 2 and 3 were merely the result of lore making them complete morons. Players in MWO aren't going to be nearly as stupid most of the time. They also don't even account for Inner Sphere players who manage to capture Clan mechs (or buy them with MC, which is something that PGI HAS to allow because it's too much of a gold mine to pass up).


As I said above, I can already imagine PGI simply giving the Clans a pathetically low max alpha value for their weapons to bring them in line, as opposed to more "creative" strategies.

They better play em that way. It is the only way the Inner Sphere stood a chance of winning.

[FupDup]

Joseph Mallan, on 23 July 2013 - 04:16 PM, said:

I think I might think about quitting if that is the case. I can't see the boogieman having it's teeth pulled.

Teeth pulled? More like balls cut off with a rusty spoon.

[Joseph Mallan]

FupDup, on 23 July 2013 - 04:18 PM, said:

Teeth pulled? More like balls cut off with a rusty spoon.

Aff.

[IceSerpent]

Khobai, on 23 July 2013 - 04:12 PM, said:

1) Clans do not use C3. They should not be able to share targeting info with eachother.

That's all right, we'll manage to jerry-rig something with a teamspeak server and a few headsets

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2) Clans prefer 1v1 combat and consider focus firing to be dishonorable. There should be honor penalties for assisting.

Wouldn't be canonical, as zell is not in effect when fighting against dezgra. Regardless, given PGI's track record as far as penalties are concerned, I doubt anybody would even notice that there are penalties.

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3) Clans employ a bidding system which often results in them being way under tonnage compared to the enemy.

That's where bribing one's bidding opponents with cookies becomes very useful