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[Napoleon_Blownapart]

what is 3pv or fpv?
what is elo?
meta means something like current trend?

ill add more when i find them

[Kenyon Burguess]

third person view/first person view elo is the rating assigned to you based on your skill level for matchmaking purposes. meta is the current build trend and tactics used by organized groups.

[Napoleon_Blownapart]

is there 3pv yet?

[Odnir]

3pv and fpv are referring to third person view ( a view from outside of your cockpit, looking at your mech from a floating camera for example) and first person view ( viewing through the eyes of you, the pilot ).

Elo is the surname of a fellow who created a formula for ranking competitors in chess games. But here on the forums it refers to the hidden ranking system that determines who you get matched up with and against in a game, which is supposedly based on the Elo system.

Meta is a greek term. But in English it is typically used for such ideas as 'about, but outside of' or 'after' or 'concurrent with but seperate from'. Meta-game is 'The game about the game'. It's not the played game itself, but it's a seperate, concurrently played game where you might try to improve your odds in the game being actually played by bringing to the game better tools or options that you assume your opponents may not be prepared to deal with. For example, if we were playing Magic the Gathering at a tournament, and a certain deck is very common, I might choose to bring a deck that specifically beats down that other deck, even if it has a lot of glaring weaknesses, and hope that this "meta-game" choice will ultimately result in success. As another example, Rock Paper Scissors is a game. But if you have a friend and you know he picks paper all the time, you might choose Scissors to attempt to beat him. This second part of the game that you are considering beyond just making a symbol with your hand is also a meta-game. The term is misused a lot and is often used to mean 'trend', yes.

There is no 3rd person perspective yet.

[ZeProme]

About ELO, can we see our ELO?

[scJazz]

ZeProme, on 28 June 2013 - 08:00 AM, said:

About ELO, can we see our ELO?

No Never... and the Community has been extremely vocal about never allowing us to see our ELO.

[ZeProme]

scJazz, on 28 June 2013 - 08:01 AM, said:

No Never... and the Community has been extremely vocal about never allowing us to see our ELO.

Makes sense. Otherwise we get people with beefy and arrogant attitudes. That's what I like about MWO, the fact that our stats aren't publicly shown

[scJazz]

Yup... basically the only people who want to show ELO are "the Competitive Gamer" types. One look no further than that to determine just what a stunningly bad idea showing ELO would be.

Edited by scJazz, 28 June 2013 - 08:21 AM.

[ZeProme]

scJazz, on 28 June 2013 - 08:09 AM, said:

Yup... basically the only people who want to show ELO are "the Competitive Gamer" types (yeah I'm looking at you DV8 and PeefSmash, not you though Soy cause I enjoy your trolling). One look no further than that to determine just what a stunningly bad idea showing ELO would be.

Would Koreanese be one? He plays at a high performance level.

Who is DV8, Peefsmash and soy anyways?

[Hammerfinn]

It's not ELO. It's a dude's name. It's Elo. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arpad_Elo

[Hellen Wheels]

ZeProme, on 28 June 2013 - 08:03 AM, said:

Makes sense. Otherwise we get people with even more beefy and arrogant attitudes....

FTFY

Edited by Hellen Wheels, 28 June 2013 - 10:45 AM.

[Wolfclaw]

Gorantir, on 28 June 2013 - 07:45 AM, said:

is there 3pv yet?

No and there most likely will never be 3pv

[Koniving]

Wolfclaw, on 28 June 2013 - 10:54 AM, said:

No and there most likely will never be 3pv

Wishful thinking.

It's been declared both as early as November, and again very recently under the UI 2.0 and under the ATD answers, there will be a third person perspective available. Recent feedback said "How do you think it shall be implemented," and retorts: "This is not an argument about whether or not it should be implemented. It will be implemented. This is a discussion on how."

It will first be introduced as part of the true Training Grounds as a tutorial mechanism to help teach the concept of torso twist versus turning.

When refined, it is likely to enter as an optional perspective as a "You play either first or third, not switch between in the middle of a match," against other people with identical perspectives.

PGI didn't ask if we wanted it, they acknowledge that approximately half of the players (especially the European / Australian audience) demand it while the other half of the audience screams no. So when you play you will have a choice between which way you want it played.

As a youtube person I'll be playing both ways.

Edit: wils changed to will. I hate how PGI's thread bounces you back to a bold word when you stop typing for a second.

Edited by Koniving, 28 June 2013 - 11:38 AM.

[IrrelevantFish]

ZeProme, on 28 June 2013 - 08:10 AM, said:

Who is DV8, Peefsmash and soy anyways?

DV8 is one of the most competitive clans right now, both in skill and in attitude, and its membership includes Koreanese, Soy, and (I believe) Peefsmash. I've yet to meet a DV8 guy who wasn't an excellent player, and I've met a lot of them. (I'm not at their skill level, but it appears that I'm in their Elo bracket. )

Wolfclaw, on 28 June 2013 - 10:54 AM, said:

No and there most likely will never be 3pv

Either my sarcasm detector is busted, you are the most optimistic person on the planet, or you have somehow evaded the months-long, ongoing temper tantrum on these forums. It has been officially and repeatedly confirmed that 3PV will be an option in everything but scheduled matches and a dedicated matchmaking queue for "hardcore" players. The first stage of release (Training Grounds only) is scheduled for July/August.

[End Crescendo]

ZeProme, on 28 June 2013 - 08:10 AM, said:

Would Koreanese be one? He plays at a high performance level.

Who is DV8, Peefsmash and soy anyways?

Haha, I love seeing our unit called out on the forums <S>
We want to see our ELO to help with things like understanding how matches are generated, tournament result fairness, and to help sync drop 8 mans for league matches. We already have inflated egos. This won't add to it.

[scJazz]

End Crescendo, on 28 June 2013 - 12:41 PM, said:

Haha, I love seeing our unit called out on the forums <S>
We want to see our ELO to help with things like understanding how matches are generated, tournament result fairness, and to help sync drop 8 mans for league matches. We already have inflated egos. This won't add to it.

Apparently, since every one of your posts refers to your 1337ness. Except for Soy when he is trolling. Which I do like

[Rasako]

End Crescendo, on 28 June 2013 - 12:41 PM, said:

Haha, I love seeing our unit called out on the forums <S>
We want to see our ELO to help with things like understanding how matches are generated, tournament result fairness, and to help sync drop 8 mans for league matches. We already have inflated egos. This won't add to it.

I'm sure they have some form of plans to set up a lobby system so that tournaments can have a more structured way to run their shtuff, god knows when they'll finally get it done though

[Felicitatem Parco]

Gorantir, on 28 June 2013 - 07:40 AM, said:

what is 3pv or fpv?
what is elo?
meta means something like current trend?

ill add more when i find them

Third-Person View will be first released for testing sometime this summer in the Public Test Server, which isn't exactly the same environment as the Live games where the matches count toward your stats, n' stuff. The Public Test Server isn't up and running yet, and will most likely require users to be running a separate Testing Client instead of the normal program we boot-up to play, but when it is up it'll be at pre-scheduled times when the Devs want to have the testing take place.

The game's Staff use the term MetaGame to describe all the non-combat aspects of MechWarrior: Online that are still considered to be something you progress-through and participate in; examples would be the in-game Economy, the Planetary/Territory Capture campaign, the Loyalty you earn with the great dynasty Houses, etc. Players will often use the term Metagame to describe whatever is the current trend in combat tactics, however that's not really a "Metagame" because the term meta implies transcendence, rather than submersion.

The tentative plans are to have the Mercenary-portion of the Metagame be first-person only (since it's where many of the strong core fans and competitive gamers will be playing), where all pilots have to keep their eyes inside the cockpit. Anyone who wants to play in the general inter-House fighting in the regular Armies will be presented either 1 or 2 choices: 1.) which perspective you want to view from (first person, or third person); and people who chose 1st person get to chose 2.) who they play against (only other 1PV players, or a mix of everyone). Playing as 3rd person means you're going to be fighting anyone who's in 3PV or anyone in 1PV who doesn't care who they are fighting against. These plans are tentative, as mentioned before... but I do hope they stick.

Your Elo Ranking is a calculated scoring (unique for each weight-class, so you actually have 4 Elo Ranks) that's meant to represent how well you can fight, and is used to help balance out matches in terms of player skill. Although individual player stats will be made available for public viewing, such as your Kill/Death ration and some other stuff, your computed Elo Rank will not be made public or even known to you (knowing your own Elo Rank makes it too easy for unsportsmanlike groups to coordinate together and stack matches in their favor while bypassing the game's Premade Group functionalties and controls).

Edited by Prosperity Park, 29 June 2013 - 09:19 AM.

[Koniving]

It's going to suck when I choose to stand on an enemy if they're using third person. They'll be able to see me as I shoot into their arms while riding them.

[Dr B00t]

ZeProme, on 28 June 2013 - 08:10 AM, said:

Would Koreanese be one? He plays at a high performance level.

Who is DV8, Peefsmash and soy anyways?

no clue...then again im not a gamer-groupie

Edited by Dr B00t, 29 June 2013 - 10:25 AM.