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[MisterFiveSeven]

I don't undestand the hate for the Misery. It's incredibly effective, and in all honesty, better than a boomcheese jager.

Misery
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...f09639cc0a6fd9b

vs

Boomcheese
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...1dd49c8e2a67f70

Average jager does 40 damage to your CT and has, say, 30 rounds of AC20 ammo and an XL engine.
My Misery does 40 damage to your CT, doesn't have an XL engine, has more armor, has the most forgiving hitboxes in the game, and has about 30 rounds of AC20 ammo... for ONE AC20. Also I can reach out and touch you from veeeery far away with the PPC's. And more armor to boot.

My boomcheese DD has its stock XL, and I very rarely seem to have trouble with it. If I die, I would've died 3.75 seconds later had I not had an XL due to getting gang-banged, almost never from sniping (side note, I really wish I could throw all of my method of destructions into excel so I could actually put numbers behind my assertion that an XL doesn't hurt me; cmon devs more stats!). With this engine, my Misery and DD run about the same speed.

Seems like Misery is just +1 boomcheese. But the internet tells me that I'm wrong... Why is that? Why so much hate for one of (imho) the best variants in the game?

Lol but there is the problem that when I drop in an assault all I see are jagers and other stalkers, so mabye the boomcheese is better...

[DarkDevilDancer]

Maybe because PPC boats take next to no skill to make work and no one wants to die in two shots.

Once they make it harder to mount multiple high heat weapons and double internal structure that play style will die off quickly as blowing your load and shutting down will again become a death sentence.

[c0mbatphil]

....fixed it for you:

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...ab936f8c42a963b

Does me proud every time I take it out.

[EyeOne]

There is really little reason to change the stock design. This is my Misery. I made a few modifications and it kicks a**.

[Spheroid]

To me the AC-40 seems a bigger threat. The faster speed and better torso range do count you know.

Edited by Spheroid, 24 June 2013 - 11:11 AM.

[MisterFiveSeven]

DarkDevilDancer, on 24 June 2013 - 09:21 AM, said:

Maybe because PPC boats take next to no skill to make work and no one wants to die in two shots.

Once they make it harder to mount multiple high heat weapons and double internal structure that play style will die off quickly as blowing your load and shutting down will again become a death sentence.

Go whine somewhere else. Your post is neither constructive or on topic. It's also obvious that you didn't even look at the build, because I don't know of anyone that counts x2 erppc as boating.

This mech manages heat very well.

[MisterFiveSeven]

Spheroid, on 24 June 2013 - 11:10 AM, said:

To me the AC-40 seems a bigger threat. The faster speed and better torso range do count you know.

The only time the turning radius hurts you is when fighting light mechs, and I will admit, they are easier to om nom in the boomcheese.

However, if you're actually in a brawl against something bigger than that and the torso radius is actually hurting you, you really just need to position better. This mech works best at 200-300m. I don't understand why people think you have to be right up in someone's grill to hurt them with AC20's (not that you were directly saying that). If you position well and peek intelligently it's not a problem that I've found.

Finally, my DD is as slow as the Stalker, and I don't have any problems with 63 kph. Maybe I just haven't seen the light of 75+ kph, but again, I'd rather have the ammo and armor in this admittedly rare instance.

Edited by MisterFiveSeven, 24 June 2013 - 11:39 AM.

[Peter2000]

You're joking, right? The Misery is probably considered the 2nd most effective 'Mech in high level play in the game right now when kitted out with 3xERPPC + Gauss, behind the Stalker F with 4xERPPC.

A lot of the dislike I hear is along the lines of "pay to win".

Edited by Peter2000, 24 June 2013 - 12:20 PM.

[Sephlock]

c0mbatphil, on 24 June 2013 - 09:46 AM, said:

Does me proud every time I take it out.

[DarkDevilDancer]

MisterFiveSeven, on 24 June 2013 - 11:11 AM, said:

Go whine somewhere else. Your post is neither constructive or on topic. It's also obvious that you didn't even look at the build, because I don't know of anyone that counts x2 erppc as boating.

This mech manages heat very well.

He asked why there was hate how was my reply not on topic? its used to boat plain and simply its what most stalkers do they either carry 4-6 ppc's or 4-6 lrm racks, its not what PGI intended so it's getting worked on.

Its obviously become a big enough issue that the dev's are actually implementing a fix specifically to stop it, personally i'm for the bursts heat sink option over causing internal damage.

People getting miffed because their ppc boat is gonna nerfed amuses me no end, its happening so either adapt or die dont lash out just because your anonymous on the other side of a screen.

Ad hominem attacks accusing people of whining wont stop this happening, they also wont chase people from a thread.

[Lord of All]

I love getting in a Misery's face and watching them pop. Same with Jag though (even easier). But stalker is a little tougher. Atlas brawler perspective.

[MisterFiveSeven]

DarkDevilDancer, on 24 June 2013 - 02:38 PM, said:

simply its what most stalkers do they either carry 4-6 ppc's or 4-6 lrm racks

lol. just lol. i guess there's no point in saying why you're still off topic, because the focus of this thread was ONE specific build that I feel is superior to the boomcheese jager, not the ppc meta. go to the gameplay balance section, seriously.

Peter2000, on 24 June 2013 - 12:20 PM, said:

You're joking, right? The Misery is probably considered the 2nd most effective 'Mech in high level play in the game right now when kitted out with 3xERPPC + Gauss, behind the Stalker F with 4xERPPC.

A lot of the dislike I hear is along the lines of "pay to win".

What type of engine would you put in one of those? I feel like it needs an XL, but those side torso hitboxes are bigger than Paula Deen...

Edited by MisterFiveSeven, 24 June 2013 - 07:54 PM.

[MisterFiveSeven]

Lord of All, on 24 June 2013 - 06:10 PM, said:

I love getting in a Misery's face and watching them pop. Same with Jag though (even easier). But stalker is a little tougher. Atlas brawler perspective.

Your CT in an atlas is gigantic. There's a reason that when I drop in my Misery the only Atlases I see are DDC's.

Hint: it's because it's an inferior chassis in the current meta and ECM is the only thing that makes it worthwhile.

[Lord of All]

MisterFiveSeven, on 24 June 2013 - 07:54 PM, said:

Your CT in an atlas is gigantic. There's a reason that when I drop in my Misery the only Atlases I see are DDC's.

Hint: it's because it's an inferior chassis in the current meta and ECM is the only thing that makes it worthwhile.

And that is why god gave us arms!

[Deathfox619]

i have done lots of builds with the Misery and every time you get it wrong it gives you hell. i switch back and forth between the AC20 and Gauss Rifle. for some reason i just like the GR but nothing is more fearing than an AC20 to the face lol one of my biggest problems with it is the missile hard point i can not find that balance with it the srm6 just is not that fearing anymore with just one.

Misery AC20
http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab

Misery Gauss Rifle
http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab

[Peter2000]

MisterFiveSeven, on 24 June 2013 - 07:50 PM, said:

What type of engine would you put in one of those? I feel like it needs an XL, but those side torso hitboxes are bigger than Paula Deen...

Nope. DHS, endo (only on the misery), STD 275/280.

[The Mechromancer]

The Misery is my favorite!

My go-to build is:

-2 ERPPC
-Gauss (3 tons o ammo) / AC20 (switch around)
-3 Medium Lasers.
-DHS
-Structure
-STD 300

Goes 62.+
50 firepower.

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Its a moderatly high alpha, but whatever, I like playing sniper, it can brawl pretty damn well as well. I've smoked plenty of AC40s with this. It has more than double the effective range, more armor, and doesn't need a (just kill me) XL engine. And actually has a higher alpha once in range of medium lasers.
--

an Atlas DDC can pretty much do all the same things better though, with more armor as well (+2 missile HPs, + 1 Balistic HP, -1 energy CT HP)

Edited by The Mechromancer, 24 June 2013 - 10:13 PM.

[MisterFiveSeven]

Thanks guys.

The Mechromancer, on 24 June 2013 - 09:19 PM, said:

an Atlas DDC can pretty much do all the same things better though, with more armor as well (+2 missile HPs, + 1 Balistic HP, -1 energy CT HP)

But it really isn't better due to its profile. I can hit the tip of the skull pretty easily from almost any angle; your CT's just too huge.

Before they dropped the highlander, I was absolutely loving my founders brawler atlas. Now, I feel like the lower profile, higher PPC mounts, and easier ability to spread damage is superior (not to say that atlases aren't still very good, just personal preference).

[VXJaeger]

I just LOVE my Misery...nowadays I run it w/ STD285 instead of STD300 to get BAP onboard.
Sidetorsos are just bad as in all Stalkers, and IMHO they should be re-evaluated.

[Sephlock]

Misery only loves company.