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[Geminus]

Hello all.

Yes. I am beating that horse.

I won't get into what the ressen are, we all know. What this is about is the Devs and their unwillingness to make any comment what so ever.

I have made post asking what the official status is towards the reseen, many fellow mechwarriors have given links to off site sources saying that they had the answers. They did not. I have listened to hours of podcasts. I have asked the devs via ask the devs, some of my clan mates have asked.

They don't answer.

I have seen them answer the same questions over and over again, clans: no comment.
ECM balance: its what we want.
Death from above: its coming.
Collision: its coming.

etc etc etc. ask the dev after ask the dev the same questions are asked, and they answer them. even to say they cant talk about them.

My clan mate has asked for a command chair post that acknowledges the reseen, even if its to say "we cant talk about it due to legal reasons"
They say nothing.

Many of us say it will never happen. Many of us say let it go.

Its not about that.

WE are the players. WE are why they have a job turning out this fine game. Just answer the question. Even if its to say you cant talk about it.
Give us something. The devs ignoring this a slap in our faces. Ignoring our requests to acknowledge it is a worse slap in the face. Just acknowledge it. They once, many succession wars ago, said that they would make an official post about the status of reseen. Where is it?
Making a command post that says "reseen status", and then putting in said post, "hey, we know, we cant talk about it". or "sorry, never", or "maybe one day", will at least stop the forums from asking, give us an official place to look, give us a piece of mind, and make us think that you care what we think.

Edited by Geminus, 19 June 2013 - 06:53 AM.

[Hotthedd]

Sorry mate, but you are already playing MW:O. In case you have not gotten the message yet, it is the phantom FUTURE players that are important.

[Tennex]

they kind of have commented on it

[IamTheEggMan]

Tennex, on 18 June 2013 - 07:35 PM, said:

they kind of have commented on it

Yeah, the lack of comment is pretty telling.

[Gaan Cathal]

You do realise that if any of the parties involved the rights were in any kind of court action regarding said rights, the other parties may be barred by said court from discussing the disputed IP? Such a bar is of course only technically legally binding in the country of residence of the court (and even then breach is often not 'seriously' illegal) but disregard for said restrictions has a way of severely damaging one's standing in the court case, and in any future related ones. It's possible that PGI have been told to keep their mouths shut.

It's also possible that they're happy with the status quo that the majority accept that it ain't happening but some people are hanging on in vain hope, which makes good business sense.

It's also possible that they don't know and don't want to say anything because they'll be accused of lying/breaking faith later down the line if they even hint it might be possible and then it isn't. There's a lot of people on these forums who would probably spin "no comment" into a cast iron promise and then flame the place down when a final 'no' was released.

Finally, it's a never-say-never situation. If MW:O is still live in 12 months and if by then Topps/Catalyst have secured the rights entirely from Harmony Gold (both technically possible) then it would become possible to include them in MW:O. Ergo "no" is a silly answer, because the situation is legally fluid (even after Topps theoretically get the licence, they could then sell it or face a secondary challenge if MW:O is marketed in Japan or so on).

Geminus, on 18 June 2013 - 07:30 PM, said:

Making a command post that says "reseen status", and then putting in said post, "hey, we know, we cant talk about it". or "sorry, never", or "maybe one day", will at least stop the forums from asking, give us an official place to look, give us a piece of mind, and make us think that you care what we think.

Sadly, and this is probably why they pretend the issue isn't there, it wouldn't. It would light the forums on fire with any or all of the following:

a: rabid rumourmongering about how Topps are getting the licence off HG
b: rabid rumourmongering about how Topps aren't getting the licence off HG
c: fifteen hundred threads about how MW:O art wouldn't be Unseen anyway so PGI are evil for not doing it (ignoring that it's likely not their call)
d: assertions that "maybe one day" means "yes, 12mnths after CW/Clans"
e: rage at PGI because it's obviously their fault

Frankly the forums atm are full of flame and rage about the game, not about the Unseen. Once in a while a thread pops up and gets shouted down with a general concensus of "it'll happen if it happens, PGI have nothing to do with if it does, shut the hell up already and let it go. Saying anything would smother anything actually related to MW:O for weeks with Unseen-related flame/rage/joy/paranoia/squark threads.

Edited by Gaan Cathal, 18 June 2013 - 07:57 PM.

[DoubleD]

I asked this elsewhere but I will here too to gain some clarity. Didn't they get the rights to use the Crusher Joe designs for Battletech here recently? I could have sworn I read that somewhere. They even produced a Shadow Hawk variant which looks pretty close to the original, art, mini, and everything. I know we might never get the iconic Rifleman or Marauder, but a Griffin, Wolverine, and Shadow Hawk might go a long way to bring back that "old" feel.

Not to mention we still need a 55 toner.

[Geminus]

Tennex, on 18 June 2013 - 07:35 PM, said:

they kind of have commented on it

Where? Link it. And "kind of?" That's the point. show us and official statement

[Geminus]

Gaan Cathal, on 18 June 2013 - 07:50 PM, said:

You do realise that if any of the parties involved the rights were in any kind of court action regarding said rights, the other parties may be barred by said court from discussing the disputed IP? Such a bar is of course only technically legally binding in the country of residence of the court (and even then breach is often not 'seriously' illegal) but disregard for said restrictions has a way of severely damaging one's standing in the court case, and in any future related ones. It's possible that PGI have been told to keep their mouths shut.






Frankly the forums atm are full of flame and rage about the game, not about the Unseen. Once in a while a thread pops up and gets shouted down with a general concensus of "it'll happen if it happens, PGI have nothing to do with if it does, shut the hell up already and let it go. Saying anything would smother anything actually related to MW:O for weeks with Unseen-related flame/rage/joy/paranoia/squark threads.

1, I acknowledged that they might not be allowed to discuss it and said in that case to post that they are not legally allowed to discuss it.

2, I a not saying "give us reseen", Im saying acknowledge that there are questions about it, people want to know. a command chair post gives people a place to look and stops all the speculation.

3, They themselves posted that they would make an announcement, thus far not made.

Edited by Geminus, 19 June 2013 - 12:21 AM.

[Ter Ushaka]

I hope they never say anything, just so it will continue to make people post threads like this.

[Lokust Davion]

the one thats in dispute is the "unseen". the "reseen" is 100% legally safe to use. reseen is practically a different looking mech with the same name as the unseen.

[DaZur]

Personally I believe the probability of seeing the unseen or re-seen mechs is largely dependant upon the success of MW:O. (Read: Sustained revenue stream & market success)...

In short... If MW:O makes enough money they'll consider paying investing whatever licensure cost to procure their reproduction rights...

That said... There are a LOT of non-restricted mechs out there that have no ancillary cost... Kind'a foolish to vest money for a limited sub-set of mechs when there is a large free pool available to utilize.

[Geminus]

DaZur, on 19 June 2013 - 04:56 AM, said:

Personally I believe the probability of seeing the unseen or re-seen mechs is largely dependant upon the success of MW:O. (Read: Sustained revenue stream & market success)...

In short... If MW:O makes enough money they'll consider paying investing whatever licensure cost to procure their reproduction rights...

That said... There are a LOT of non-restricted mechs out there that have no ancillary cost... Kind'a foolish to vest money for a limited sub-set of mechs when there is a large free pool available to utilize.

All valid. this is not a post asking FOR the reseen. its a post asking for a command post acknowledging that we want to know.

If they posted what you just said as an answer, great, I just want them to post SOMETHING that is OFFICAL FROM PGI

Lokust Davion, on 19 June 2013 - 01:29 AM, said:

the one thats in dispute is the "unseen". the "reseen" is 100% legally safe to use. reseen is practically a different looking mech with the same name as the unseen.

Thasts great. Post the link that says that the reseen are legal to be used. And not what someone said on the forums, or on another site. Post where someone who has the rights to use the mechs said that it was good to go.

This is part of what im talking about. lots of un official forum talk. Not that I don't trust you, but you could be anyone. To me, you are anyone. your a fellow MechWarrior making a post in the community that you love. We need an official word.

Edited by Geminus, 19 June 2013 - 05:10 AM.

[Kiiyor]

Tennex, on 18 June 2013 - 07:35 PM, said:

they kind of have commented on it

Lots. The answer was something along the lines of "never" followed closely by "stop asking about this". There was also a subtle undercurrent of them not wanting to touch it with a barge pole.

[Geminus]

Kiiyor, on 19 June 2013 - 05:26 AM, said:

Lots. The answer was something along the lines of "never" followed closely by "stop asking about this". There was also a subtle undercurrent of them not wanting to touch it with a barge pole.

Where. Link it.

And on the old FAQ, which is taken down so I cant link it, or I would, they say in regards to the reseen that there will be an official announcement. Ive seen that in print, Ive never seen the no, stop asking, barge pole comments anywhere. Which is the point, I see no official comments. Stop asking would be an improvement.

Edited by Geminus, 19 June 2013 - 05:47 AM.

[DaZur]

Geminus, on 19 June 2013 - 05:08 AM, said:

All valid. this is not a post asking FOR the reseen. its a post asking for a command post acknowledging that we want to know.

In fairness... Knowing how this community interprets any official commentary as an affirmation... I cannot blame PGI for being tight lipped.

Last thing they need is another running diatribe accusing them of lying and or misleading the community.

[Geminus]

DaZur, on 19 June 2013 - 06:31 AM, said:

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In fairness... Knowing how this community interprets any official commentary as an affirmation... I cannot blame PGI for being tight lipped.

Last thing they need is another running diatribe accusing them of lying and or misleading the community.

I can see that happening as well, for any came really, but at least if their is a command post, they can say, hey, read the post, that's not what we said.

But that's gamer nature.

Love your banner by the way

[Angel of Annihilation]

Honestly I think we just need to quit discussing it. Lets face it, it just isn't worth PGIs time and money to pursue the disputed mechs.

First of all, they are only managing to get 1 mech a month into the game as is and already have a backlog of mechs they announced they are introducing.

Second, they only have a realitively short window to introduce the TWELVE (12) original Clan mechs in the 3050 readout before people start to mutiny especially since the Clan Invasion begain almost 4 months ago by the ingame timeline.

So with over 14 mechs still not released in game, does anyone honestly think they care at all about 5-6 mechs tied up in licensing disputes?

[Geminus]

Viktor Drake, on 19 June 2013 - 07:15 AM, said:

Honestly I think we just need to quit discussing it. Lets face it, it just isn't worth PGIs time and money to pursue the disputed mechs.

First of all, they are only managing to get 1 mech a month into the game as is and already have a backlog of mechs they announced they are introducing.

Second, they only have a realitively short window to introduce the TWELVE (12) original Clan mechs in the 3050 readout before people start to mutiny especially since the Clan Invasion begain almost 4 months ago by the ingame timeline.

So with over 14 mechs still not released in game, does anyone honestly think they care at all about 5-6 mechs tied up in licensing disputes?

Again. This is not a post asking for the mechs. Its asking for a response. The response can be no, could be that they cant talk about, it could be that they don't care, but it would be a response. It would be its own little command post that when ever anyone asks about it, they could be directed to and have their answer. That would stop us asking questions.

And if a mech is developed and ready to go, they can put it in whenever they want. They can put 100 mechs in in one month of they are ready, its their choice to meter them out, but that's off topic.

Edited by Geminus, 19 June 2013 - 07:26 AM.

[BlackWidow]

Why is this so hard to understand?

Can I get a heavy beat while I break this down for you? (wub wub chick wub)

1. Everyone [sic] loves the original 3025 TRO mechs.
2. Many of the classic frames were based on licensed Anime mechs
3. Validity of said licenses was questioned and eventually nullified in muti-party lawsuit.
4. Only the IMAGE of the unseen is protected. Not the name.
5. UNSEEN have been RESEEN many times over. It can be done without violating copyright/trademark. Hell, just look at the new QUICKDRAW. If Alex make a swan out of that ugly duckling, ANYTHING is possible.
6. Everyone wants their favorite UNSEEN back in the game. PGI knows this.

And here is the conclusion I draw: If everyone has a favorite classic mech, and it was available now.....and you loved it...what is the likely-hood of you spending much time (read: money) building up your garage with other mechs?

My guess is whether they ever make it live or not, Alex has most likely done prototype images for the UNSEEN. I mean, he loves mechs as much as we do. Why wouldn't he try some out?

And even though we loves us come clan mechs, there are no copyright issues with them, so we know we will eventually see most of our favorites.

So, then. After all is said and done, CW is up and running, we all have clan tech/chassis ...then

BAM ! WARHAMMER ! MARAUDER! PHOENIX HAWK!

Could be a new "founders pack". Could be part of an Anniversary release. Could be rewards (well, the ability to buy) for either solo or faction achievement. Hell, they could just keep them in their pocket until they see players/revenues declining....then BAM! They suck you back in with what you wanted most.

And to "let you in" on their secrect would just A. Keep you bugging them all the time or B. Encourage you to hold onto that MC cash for that day, instead of spending it now.

Just my 2 cents.

[Windsaw]

I want to see unseen mechs.
I do not, repeat NOT want to see reseen mechs that have the same name but look very different from the original.
Better not use them at all.