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[Kamarok]

Mahws, on 25 June 2013 - 11:15 PM, said:

Light mechs have their engine capped by whatever gives them ~150 km/h with speed tweak. It's to avoid netcode issues at speeds higher than that.

Unfortunately for the Locust that puts it at 170, with all the heatsink related frustration that implies.

I hope that's something that can be fixed at a later time. Faster than 150kph should be possible on some of the lighter mechs.

[Ridir Semii]

I won't vote, it wont let me only click the yes 30$ for my single choice, dun really care about the other options, and I want all the mechs, including the phoenix projects designs we DON'T have yet...

[ryoma]

I'll never understand people who walk in and say "no, you don't deserve options or consumer friendly options! No you don't have a right to ask for a better deal!"

The worst that can happen is PGI comes in and says no, it's not like we're doing harm in making a petition. The only ones doing harm are the people who come into threads like this to attack fellow players.

[Raso]

If the game's meta and balance doesn't get it's act together I don't see anything aside from the Battlemaster and MAYBE the Thunderbolt being of much use. I mean the locust could be a lot of fun but until they lift the speed cap and make MGs a little more useful I don't see it having much of a place on the field beyond the novelty of the mech of preference towards it's design or history.

[stjobe]

ryoma, on 26 June 2013 - 09:28 AM, said:

I'll never understand people who walk in and say "no, you don't deserve options or consumer friendly options! No you don't have a right to ask for a better deal!"

And I probably won't ever understand people that are offered a sweet deal saying "I want it sweeter, you money-grubbing ba****ds!".

If you want the Battlemaster you have to decide: Do you want it bad enough that you'll drop $80, or can you stand waiting until January?

Take it or leave it.

[Coolant]

Picking ur mech never gonna happen. The greater value is the Assault because it costs considerably more Cbills or MC. Plus, whether you are a light, medium, heavy or assault pilot you are covered by the most expensive package. It's not a coincidence...

[ryoma]

in what world is 80 dollars for 3 mechs a good deal?

Taking content hostage unless you buy less desired content is a terrible deal for the consumer.

"i want to buy this pickup truck because it suits my needs"
"sure, but you need to buy it in a bundle containing a ****** and expensive moped, a sports car, and a minivan"
"but I just want a truck"
"then wait four months and get a shittier truck"
"i'm going to another dealership"

If they want to do a consumer unfriendly business practice I have plenty of other games to spend cash on.

[stjobe]

ryoma, on 26 June 2013 - 10:20 AM, said:

in what world is 80 dollars for 3 mechs a good deal?

Taking content hostage unless you buy less desired content is a terrible deal for the consumer.

"i want to buy this pickup truck because it suits my needs"
"sure, but you need to buy it in a bundle containing a ****** and expensive moped, a sports car, and a minivan"
"but I just want a truck"
"then wait four months and get a shittier truck"
"i'm going to another dealership"

If they want to do a consumer unfriendly business practice I have plenty of other games to spend cash on.

It's 12 mechs, of which 4 are Hero equivalents.
It's 12 mechbays.
It's 90-120 days of premium time.
It's assorted other goodies.
For $80.

It's basically half price.

[ryoma]

what are you talking about? I just want a battlemaster, so I'd just be scrapping all those other mechs and I'd be stuck with 3 undeletable pieces of trash. so yes, it's three mechs and it's a bad deal compared to buying 80$ MC.

[Angel of Annihilation]

I have to say I am 100% behind this after the Shadow Hawk Reveal. I absolutely didn't want a locust but was still thinking of purchasing the $80 pack for the other 3 mechs. Then they revealed the hardpoints for the Shadow Hawk and all I can say is YUK!!!

3 Ballastics, 3 missiles and only 1 Energy on a 55 ton mech...really? What are you going to put in those 3 Ballastic slots? A Gauss or AC/20 with ammo takes up most of your available weight, 3 AC/2 is even heavier leaving you with no free weight for missiles or a decent sized single energy weapon for punch. Oh and you would have to mount an XL and Endo even for that.

Anyway, I am now not impressed with the Shadow Hawk either. However to get the two mechs I am intersted in, I would have to purchase the 2 I am not.

Now unfortunately we can petition all we want and they still aren't going to change their package but not having the option to get just what I want, looks like it is going to be a deal breaker for me.

[Dracol]

A question for someone who is only interested in the battlemaster:

How much MC/real money would it cost right now for 6 open mech bays, 3 months premium time, 2 stalkers and the misery, and 4 hanging medalions?

I'm curious how it relates to the $80 battlemaster plan which would come with extra c-bills after selling the other mechs.

Edited by Dracol, 26 June 2013 - 01:00 PM.

[Galen Crayn]

Quote

I just want a battlemaster

Me too and for that i have payed 80 bugs. They will never change it because of people like me who allready payed for the big package. And they wont say : NO Why? Because they are not interested in this or other Threads. So you can write and write and mimimi but nothing will change...

[Kraven Kor]

stjobe, on 26 June 2013 - 10:22 AM, said:

It's 12 mechs, of which 4 are Hero equivalents.
It's 12 mechbays.
It's 90-120 days of premium time.
It's assorted other goodies.
For $80.

It's basically half price.

It is an insanely good value, when compared to their standard pricing.

I still support the option to buy just the one chassis you want, essentially the $20 level, but let them price it based on the chassis selected.

Getting the base $20 level with a Battlemaster instead of Jenner, $35. Shadowhawk instead of Jenner, $25.

Fair to us, fair to them, most of us will STILL go the $80 route because it is just that good of a value compared to buying all the items separately.

[ryoma]

Agreed Kraven.

For people who want all four I will say this is an amazing value!

Dracol, on 26 June 2013 - 01:00 PM, said:

A question for someone who is only interested in the battlemaster:

How much MC/real money would it cost right now for 6 open mech bays, 3 months premium time, 2 stalkers and the misery, and 4 hanging medalions?

I'm curious how it relates to the $80 battlemaster plan which would come with extra c-bills after selling the other mechs.

Checking for you right now....

21,000 MC

It's worth noting Hero mechs and Phoenix mechs are different. They have unique loadouts and are probably worth more MC.

So lets say the 80$ pack is 20,000 MC+Scrapping C Bills (6 mechs at base is maybe 4-5 million C bills)+medallions

100 dollars gets you 25,000 MC at 250 MC per dollar so 80 dollars is 20,000 MC using the 100 dollar purchase.

Honestly it's a great deal if all you want is battlemaster.

The ONLY problem I foresee is that the Phoenix variant or the two other variants for BM are ****, in which case the MC purchase would have allowed you to pick out better variants and a hero mech.

I suggest waiting 2 more days to see the Phoenix Battlemasters hard points before you make a decision. Generally for Founder/Phoenix mechs they pick the gimp hardpoints while for Hero mechs they have a 50-50 shot of being the best or average.

Edited by ryoma, 26 June 2013 - 02:48 PM.

[Hexenhammer]

Do it like founder's mechs and make more money. Simple as that.

[PanzerMagier]

Man, this thread is disgusting. It's 80 measly bucks for 12 mechs AND their mech beys. The mc value of that alone is over 200$. 4 of those mechs are hero (30% c-bill boost). Plus several months of premium time Plus cockpit items. AND early access (the battlemaster will only be available in JAN through conventional c-bill means).
Considering the previous deals PGI has thrown our way, this one is a steal.

My point: If you're hesitating on what phoenix package to buy or hesitating at all, you're then honestly blind sighted in what a good offer is being presented to you and should just remove yourself from the equation.

I'd rather support this form of sales from PGI. Limited choice ,but you get
SO
MUCH
MORE for your bucks.

Edited by PanzerMagier, 26 June 2013 - 03:32 PM.

[ElCadaver]

Will spend the money to get Battlemaster Phoenix version if I can get it in the base package. I don't care about premium time or medallions, just the mech.

[ryoma]

PanzerMagier, on 26 June 2013 - 03:30 PM, said:

Man, this thread is disgusting. It's 80 measly bucks for 12 mechs AND their mech beys. The mc value of that alone is over 200$. 4 of those mechs are hero (30% c-bill boost). Plus several months of premium time Plus cockpit items. AND early access (the battlemaster will only be available in JAN through conventional c-bill means).
Considering the previous deals PGI has thrown our way, this one is a steal.

My point: If you're hesitating on what phoenix package to buy or hesitating at all, you're then honestly blind sighted in what a good offer is being presented to you and should just remove yourself from the equation.

I'd rather support this form of sales from PGI. Limited choice ,but you get
SO
MUCH
MORE for your bucks.

You're much more disgusting than this thread.

Edited by ryoma, 26 June 2013 - 05:33 PM.

[Mahws]

PanzerMagier, on 26 June 2013 - 03:30 PM, said:

Man, this thread is disgusting. It's 80 measly bucks for 12 mechs AND their mech beys. The mc value of that alone is over 200$. 4 of those mechs are hero (30% c-bill boost). Plus several months of premium time Plus cockpit items. AND early access (the battlemaster will only be available in JAN through conventional c-bill means).
Considering the previous deals PGI has thrown our way, this one is a steal.

My point: If you're hesitating on what phoenix package to buy or hesitating at all, you're then honestly blind sighted in what a good offer is being presented to you and should just remove yourself from the equation.

I'd rather support this form of sales from PGI. Limited choice ,but you get
SO
MUCH
MORE for your bucks.

I don't have $80. I have bills to pay. A future to save for. Food to put on the table.

I can drop $20 or even $40. That would buy me far more content if I used it to buy complete games instead of F2P content, but I like Mechwarrior and I like Piranha, so I'd be happy to spend it here.

But I don't want the Locust. Even if I was interested in it the Phoenix variant is still the most horrible version of a horrible mech.

So I can't spend $20. And now instead of $20 for a mech I want, I'd have to pay $40 with only three extra mechbays thrown in for consolation.

Not everyone has money to burn. You're trying to sell me a Ferrari for $50,000. Yeah, it's a good deal, but I only have $20,000 to spend. The value of the $80 pack doesn't change the fact that I (and many other users) aren't being offered a worthwhile product in our price range ($20-$40).

Edited by Mahws, 26 June 2013 - 05:51 PM.

[Dr B00t]

EyeOne, on 25 June 2013 - 05:18 PM, said:

haha, with reseen mechs, no this won't hurt them. I can't care about this. I'm getting Overlord.

i dont know...they lost my money on this one...


i also think its funny that 42 people say they dont want choice...because choosing is hard? or more likely they already bought in

Kraven Kor, on 26 June 2013 - 01:52 PM, said:

It is an insanely good value, when compared to their standard pricing.

I still support the option to buy just the one chassis you want, essentially the $20 level, but let them price it based on the chassis selected.

Getting the base $20 level with a Battlemaster instead of Jenner, $35. Shadowhawk instead of Jenner, $25.

Fair to us, fair to them, most of us will STILL go the $80 route because it is just that good of a value compared to buying all the items separately.

thats assuming you like to waste MC on standard variants...which i dont
the rest i agree with though