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[Karl Streiger]

As founder I payed for a new never seen before - BattleTech Experience - the first look was good enough to switch from veteran to elite - althoug i liked the blue badge more.

However - another guy did ask the question - if MWO wouldn't have the BattleTech IP would I still play it - or even support it?
Question is simple - the answer even more.

So althoug i really would like to sit in a Thunderbolt and become the nightmare of the enemys of Skye - what would be the most vanilla BattleTech experience for me - real time and Thunderbolt... I'm still curious how the mech will perform in battle (how big are its hitboxes - how will the Meta will have changed....) clearly for 60$ i can buy a lot of more interesting stuff - when meta is still broken in october

[RedDragon]

80Bit, on 26 June 2013 - 06:51 AM, said:

For all the founders complaining that the founders package contents pale in comparison to the Phoenix package contents, they are leaving out one thing.

Lots of founders (like me) paid for founders to get into the closed beta so we could play the game several months early. That was a huge value for me. I played almost 1000 matches I would otherwise not have got to play.

Yep, and it was totally worth it, playing the game when it still looked like actual mech combat, mechs weren't cell-shaded, hits didn't make your mech's whole torso glow in the dark and we still had sunny Forest Colony... ah, those were the times

Edited by RedDragon, 28 June 2013 - 03:55 AM.

[John MatriX82]

Nope, not at all. But I'd like to be given the option to get intermediate tiers in order to pick up the phoneix mechs I want, not like it is now (this not because I'm a founder, just for everyone).

Edited by John MatriX82, 28 June 2013 - 03:54 AM.

[Lucian Nostra]

No they shouldn't give us more free stuff what we got was already a great deal.

My only bone of contention is the disparity between founders mechs and heroes and phoenix mechs, just lame that they've fallen aside as the worst in special perks. If your in need of c-bills your rockin a Hero (if you have one) not a Founders mech. Now when your in need of C-bills your gonna be rockin a Phoenix mech instead of a Hero because you might as well get those LP as well.

The 25% boost in c-bills was trumpted as being a great bonus, and it was.. until the heroes started to come out.. would it really hurt to bring the Founders machines back in line with the new stuff coming out?

[John MatriX82]

Lucian Nostra, on 28 June 2013 - 05:15 AM, said:

No they shouldn't give us more free stuff what we got was already a great deal.

My only bone of contention is the disparity between founders mechs and heroes and phoenix mechs, just lame that they've fallen aside as the worst in special perks. If your in need of c-bills your rockin a Hero (if you have one) not a Founders mech. Now when your in need of C-bills your gonna be rockin a Phoenix mech instead of a Hero because you might as well get those LP as well.

The 25% boost in c-bills was trumpted as being a great bonus, and it was.. until the heroes started to come out.. would it really hurt to bring the Founders machines back in line with the new stuff coming out?

Don't worry, in 2014 they'll release some sort of superhero mechs with 35% cbillboost and 15% LP boost, so that even non-phoenix users will be able to buy those, like they did with the founder boost vs the hero boost.

Also phoenix buyers will feel that disparity, be sure of that.

[Josef Nader]

We all got -exactly- what we paid for from our founders packages. Premium time, any number of mechs, MC, and months of early beta access. Don't be rediculous.

[Stomp]

I'd much rather a retroactive 10% loyalty point boost applied to the original Founder's mechs, and that's all, but I would understand if they didn't. We got what we paid for, regardless of if we thought it was worthless after the fact.

[Josef Nader]

Am I the only one who still plays his founders mech regularly and feels that a 5% difference in C-Bill boosting is largely irrelevant in the overall scheme of things? Oh no, other players get -slightly- more income than I do! It doesn't make my founders mech any worse, or take away the fact that my mech looks cooler than theirs -and- they'll never be able to get my mech no matter how much MC they drop.

[Arclight]

Nope, still play them regularly too. The HBK-4G not so much, preference goes to 4SP, but still.

I'd be lying if I said it doesn't irk me a bit though: the founders 'Mechs bonus falls behind a bit, diminishing perceived value. T'is a minor thing really, but still.
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No, founders shouldn't get the Phoenix 'Mechs for free. We got what we paid for. Can't expect to get everything special for free later on.

[Lucian Nostra]

Josef Nader, on 28 June 2013 - 05:57 AM, said:

Am I the only one who still plays his founders mech regularly and feels that a 5% difference in C-Bill boosting is largely irrelevant in the overall scheme of things? Oh no, other players get -slightly- more income than I do! It doesn't make my founders mech any worse, or take away the fact that my mech looks cooler than theirs -and- they'll never be able to get my mech no matter how much MC they drop.

I didn't mind when Heroes came out, they where better but not by a lot. It wasn't until I bought my own Ilya that I realised I didn't use my founders Atlas, Hunch or Jenner much anymore. The Catapult I really like so I still use it but the others I used mainly for the C-bills now with a better c-bill generator even just 5% more I use it much more often.

Now these come out. and look it's not "omg Founder mechs F'in suck these things are terrible" it's "why does everything that comes out further down the line have to have better perks?"

They made an active decision to make Hero mechs better than founders mechs in terms of c-bill generation and they've made another active decision to make the Phoenix mechs have better perks than both Heroes and Founders. Why? Why does it have to be more? why can't it be the same? Or if they felt they wanted it to be more why can't the move up Founders mechs to match?

And as John Matrix pointed out and I've said in a few posts in other threads what makes us think that the new wave of Hero mechs going forward won't be 30% c-bills 15% loyality? or 35% c-bills 15% loyality or 35% 10%, Your right in your thought that yeah it's only 5% more but when it comes down to wanting c-bills for an upgrade or LP for whatever LP gives us will you not use the mech that gives you slightly more?

Edited by Lucian Nostra, 28 June 2013 - 06:22 AM.

[Josef Nader]

Why can't it be the same? Answer me this, would people be as willing to spring for -more- hero mechs unless these were somehow better? Why would someone buy a package when they are likely to already have a hero mech with the same perks?

People would still buy, but not in the same quanities and not as readily. It's all business and moneymaking.

[Bagheera]

irony1999, on 25 June 2013 - 07:07 PM, said:

No. Founder's and their perks were clearly listed.
It never claimed to give you unlimited access to anything cool they ever made for the rest of the game's lifespan.

OMFG, so much this.

The fact that this is even a thread speaks volumes to the sense of entitlement kids today are growing up with.

John MatriX82, on 28 June 2013 - 05:42 AM, said:

Don't worry, in 2014 they'll release some sort of superhero mechs with 35% cbillboost and 15% LP boost, so that even non-phoenix users will be able to buy those, like they did with the founder boost vs the hero boost.

Also phoenix buyers will feel that disparity, be sure of that.

Stop being such a spoiled brat.

If you go buy a new car and the following model year the manufacturer puts in a better sound system, do you write them a letter telling them how they should upgrade yours for free because its not fair they gave something better to people who bought later?

FFS, grow up.

Edited by Bagheera, 28 June 2013 - 06:36 AM.

[Lucian Nostra]

Josef Nader, on 28 June 2013 - 06:31 AM, said:

Why can't it be the same? Answer me this, would people be as willing to spring for -more- hero mechs unless these were somehow better? Why would someone buy a package when they are likely to already have a hero mech with the same perks?

People would still buy, but not in the same quanities and not as readily. It's all business and moneymaking.

Uhm tons of people have multiple hero mechs they offer unique fittings ontop of the c-bill boost. I only own two myself the Muromets and the Death's Knell. I wanted to buy Heavy Metal I just didn't like the color scheme or the boxy speakers n music it trumpets just not my thing. I'd also look at buying the Jager hero as well but I haven't been playing MWO much.

you don't need to always make things better to get people to buy them, it's a form of power creep to have that sort of mentality.

Infact I don't think I've heard a single person buying the Phoenix pack having bought it because it offers an LP boost, just some of us founders upset that our Founders mechs are falling behind and perturbed by this trend

Edited by Lucian Nostra, 28 June 2013 - 06:47 AM.

[Josef Nader]

Sure it is, but that's not the point. PGI would make money if they matched the Hero C-Bill boost. PGI would make MORE money if they matched the Hero C-Bill boost AND gave an additional bonus. PGI is here to make money. Accept that this is one very effective method of doing it and move on.

[Lucian Nostra]

Bagheera, on 28 June 2013 - 06:33 AM, said:

OMFG, so much this.

The fact that this is even a thread speaks volumes to the sense of entitlement kids today are growing up with.



Stop being such a spoiled brat.

If you go buy a new car and the following model year the manufacturer puts in a better sound system, do you write them a letter telling them how they should upgrade yours for free because its not fair they gave something better to people who bought later?

FFS, grow up.

Your analogy just like someone else in a different thread doesn't fit. Your talking about a tangable good vs a random bonus.

It's more akin to like having a company car you had to pay for and the company pays you 14 cents a mile you travel. a year down the road they put out a new car and offer 20 cents a mile. Your already in the company you have a car that works fine, hey can I also get 20 cents a mile.

Than some random gloid (IE you) screams at the top of his lungs FFS!! you already got a year of 14 cents a mile! it was advertised as 14 cents! screw you grow up buy the new car and get the better mileage payout!!

why? why shouldn't you be able to get the same 20 cents? hmmm? Im not asking for a free car I just want the same mileage pay

The company I work for (staples) used to offer shoppers 10% back on just Ink, paper and copy center work. We changed our rewards program to a blanket 5% on everything we sell. Computers, tablets, furniture, networking, anything. We didn't tell our prior customers to go stuff it and you still get what you had because F*** you. We moved everyone, new signups and old members to the same much better program

Edited by Lucian Nostra, 28 June 2013 - 07:09 AM.

[Josef Nader]

Because you got exactly what you paid for and they made no promises that something better wouldn't come out down the line.

[Lucian Nostra]

Josef Nader, on 28 June 2013 - 06:46 AM, said:

Sure it is, but that's not the point. PGI would make money if they matched the Hero C-Bill boost. PGI would make MORE money if they matched the Hero C-Bill boost AND gave an additional bonus. PGI is here to make money. Accept that this is one very effective method of doing it and move on.

Know what's funny about your thought process on it? I WOULD buy the new Phoenix mechs if they had the same bonuses as my founders or Heroes? Why because I really F"ing want the Unseen mechs they are just really really.. REALLY awesome. I've been into BT since the early 90s. (I think it was 92)

BUT since they are just flat out better in the special perks I DON'T want to buy them, I don't want to support that sort of Ideology in PGI that each time they do a bundle package or a new line of heroes they should make them have better bonuses than what is already out.

I seriously doubt anyone that has bought the Project Phoenix mechs wouldn't of bought them if they where just 30% more c-bill machines. They're still Heroes and more importantly Heroes if unseen mechs

but here we have a bunch of us saying we won't buy them because they've now set a precedence

Edited by Lucian Nostra, 28 June 2013 - 07:20 AM.

[Bagheera]

Lucian Nostra, on 28 June 2013 - 07:03 AM, said:

Your analogy just like someone else in a different thread doesn't fit. Your talking about a tangable good vs a random bonus.

It's more akin to like having a company car you had to pay for and the company pays you 14 cents a mile you travel. a year down the road they put out a new car and offer 20 cents a mile. Your already in the company you have a car that works fine, hey can I also get 20 cents a mile.

Than some random gloid (IE you) screams at the top of his lungs FFS!! you already got a year of 14 cents a mile! it was advertised as 14 cents! screw you grow up buy the new car and get the better mileage payout!!

why? why shouldn't you be able to get the same 20 cents? hmmm? Im not asking for a free car I just want the same mileage pay

The company I work for (staples) used to offer shoppers 10% back on just Ink, paper and copy center work. We changed our rewards program to a blanket 5% on everything we sell. Computers, tablets, furniture, networking, anything. We didn't tell our prior customers to go stuff it and you still get what you had because F*** you. We moved everyone, new signups and old members to the same much better program

Wow.

And you thought my analogy was bad. The OP was asking if Founders should get the mechs, not the bonuses.

Neither the company car nor the Staples discount cost the person receiving them anything. Person A did not purchase the company car and person B did not purchase your discount card. Completely different territory. You're taking about changing a discount program or a reward program. I am talking about the SALE of CONTENT in the game, as was Mr. OP.

Plain and simple:

Everyone who bought the founders PACKAGE got, in a PACKAGE, everything they paid for. There is absolutely ZERO entitlement to anything offered in later PACKAGES just because someone bought a previous PACKAGE.

If they want to adjust Founders or Champion or PP or Hero mech bonuses around, that's fine. But to think that because you bought package A you should get the items in package B - which was released a year later - is self-entitlement at its worst.

The best analogy here is that it would be like buying City of Heroes, then complaining that you could not get City of Villains for free. PP is a paid release of new content. If you want the mechs, either pony up or wait and grind the FakeMoneyUnits for them.

But knock it off with this silly "I bought a Founders pack and the new stuff is better! Gimmie Something!" nonsense.

Edited by Bagheera, 28 June 2013 - 07:30 AM.

[Lucian Nostra]

Bagheera, on 28 June 2013 - 07:28 AM, said:

Wow.

And you thought my analogy was bad. The OP was asking if Founders should get the mechs, not the bonuses.

Neither the company car nor the Staples discount cost the person receiving them anything. Person A did not purchase the company car and person B did not purchase your discount card. Completely different territory. You're taking about changing a discount program or a reward program. I am talking about the SALE of CONTENT in the game, as was Mr. OP.

Plain and simple:

Everyone who bought the founders PACKAGE got, in a PACKAGE, everything they paid for. There is absolutely ZERO entitlement to anything offered in later PACKAGES just because someone bought a previous PACKAGE.

If they want to adjust Founders or Champion or PP or Hero mech bonuses around, that's fine. But to think that because you bought package A you should get the items in package B - which was released a year later - is self-entitlement at its worst.

The best analogy here is that it would be like buying City of Heroes, then complaining that you could not get City of Villains for free. PP is a paid release of new content. If you want the mechs, either pony up or wait and grind the FakeMoneyUnits for them.

But knock it off with this silly "I bought a Founders pack and the new stuff is better! Gimmie Something!" nonsense.

Yet you quote someone talking about boost vs boost issues? If that's your point that we shouldn't get the new mechs (which I totally agree with why should we get the phoenix mechs free?) than don't quote someone talking about the upping of the boosts!

I'm not asking for free Phoenix mechs, If I want the mechs I should have to pay for them, I shouldn't have to expect that each time new mechs come out the random bonuses they give out should constantly be better than the previous wave.

Edited by Lucian Nostra, 28 June 2013 - 07:47 AM.

[C E Dwyer]

As a founder I don't think we should get free access to the new mechs.

But it was a hmm okay..moment when the heroics get a 30% bonus and the founders 25% as at the time I was expecting my founders money to go into developing the game and not other projects