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[StonedVet]

Pando, on 29 June 2013 - 02:51 AM, said:

using MWO mechbay program...it can run 6 just like the stalker

or 4 2er 2reg

im gonna guess those PPC's aren't in ears that get blown off as easily as a stalker too ... damn gonna be a wild ride but I doubt there will be many using it with the heat changes coming. Still a thought though.

[Otto Cannon]

ryoma, on 27 June 2013 - 11:41 PM, said:

Say that the Highlander was released as Cash only. Considering that They're a relatively competitive chassis this would definitely be considered unfair no?

No. All mechs use the same selection of weapons within the same tonnage and crit limits. If they released a 120ton mech with the capacity for more weapons and armour without reduced speed for money only it would be p2w. If the Highlander got free jumpjets that required no tonnage or crits to mount and was cash only then that would be p2w too.

[StandingCow]

Mahws, on 28 June 2013 - 06:45 PM, said:

The only mech that I'd classify as P2W is the ShadowHawk. The Phoenix variant might have weak hardpoints, but the others won't and as a 55 tonne medium with high mounted ballistics and good hardpoint mixes it'll have a distinct advantage over other medium mechs.

However medium mechs are pretty much dead in the water at the moment, so I doubt many will complain about it.

Nooooo... and not only because it doesn't rule the battlefield, but because it will be available for non-real money as well.

[Mahws]

It doesn't have to rule the battlefield it just has to offer a distinct advantage not available to non-paying players.

For 30 days that's exactly what it'll do.

[StandingCow]

Mahws, on 29 June 2013 - 07:29 PM, said:

It doesn't have to rule the battlefield it just has to offer a distinct advantage not available to non-paying players.

For 30 days that's exactly what it'll do.

For 30 days is paying for something sooner (pay for convenience), and it won't offer an advantage over other mechs. Knock it off, lol.

Edited by StandingCow, 29 June 2013 - 07:55 PM.

[ryoma]

Mahws, on 29 June 2013 - 07:29 PM, said:

It doesn't have to rule the battlefield it just has to offer a distinct advantage not available to non-paying players.

For 30 days that's exactly what it'll do.

Correct. Thankfully it's just for a month, but options are power and using money to buy power over other players is by definition pay to win.

Of course it will only be considered pay to win till they're available to non paying customers, or in this case non-suckers.

[Mahws]

StandingCow, on 29 June 2013 - 07:54 PM, said:

For 30 days is paying for something sooner (pay for convenience), and it won't offer an advantage over other mechs. Knock it off, lol.

Other than the combination of jumpjets, high mounted ballistics a huge top engine rating and a 5 tonne advantage over any other mech in its weight class. No no advantages at all.

I don't care myself, but there are certainly grounds to call it pay2win for the month only paying customers get it.

[Felicitatem Parco]

AntharPrime, on 27 June 2013 - 09:48 AM, said:

The only thing that is somewhat P2W is the Hero mechs offered by PGI and only in the case that these mechs offer unique hardpoint options that are not available within the same chasis. This is where I feel that PGI broke from their promise that all in game equipement would be available to all for free.

JeremyCrow, on 27 June 2013 - 11:39 AM, said:

Paying to have exclusive content != P2W

P2W would be having coolant only for MC (like the original announcement implied), or special ammo that would give you extra damage, also for MC.

The Hero mechs are not better (most of the times they are even worse) than their non hero variants.

Yeah, PGI promised to not provide any equipment or Mechs that provides battlefield superiority to the MC users over free players. That means they can sell Mechs for MC-only so far as a User of those Mechs doesn't receive an overall battlefield/tactical advantage over the free player. The Hero Mechs are meant to be just as "useful" as the standard variants, albeit while offering a small change in playstyle as the whole point of having different variants is just that - providing a variety of playstyles within a Chassis line. (Please think of long-term weapons balancing when considering who has what advantages and not just whatever the current weapons tables contain, okay? Don't say that "SRMs are useless" and count that against a variant's usefulness just because we have weak place-holder values for now ;-)

PGI promised that you won't be able to buy WIN with MC while competing against the playerbase, and I don't see much of that at all, so I don't feel like I have to excuse them for any PayWall infractions. How many Commando-2D users think the Death's Knell is the tactically-superior Mech, and that DK users have an unfair advantage over other Commando Players? Does the Cicada X5's missile tubes make it "more WIN" than the ECM model? Yen Lo Wang; a Centurion with no SRMs. Firebrand has it's unique hardpoints, but a Jager-6A with quad SRM6 + more weapons is a real shredder with a great DPS/heat ratio... etc.

[StandingCow]

Mahws, on 29 June 2013 - 08:25 PM, said:

Other than the combination of jumpjets, high mounted ballistics a huge top engine rating and a 5 tonne advantage over any other mech in its weight class. No no advantages at all.

I don't care myself, but there are certainly grounds to call it pay2win for the month only paying customers get it.

Again, pay for convenience. Getting something sooner than others is not P2W.

[ryoma]

StandingCow, on 29 June 2013 - 09:26 PM, said:

Again, pay for convenience. Getting something sooner than others is not P2W.

Hey guys! I'm paying real life money to have superiority for one month! It's not pay to win, because in one month you can be on my level! Hurray!

[Lucian Nostra]

It's not P2W but PGI is starting to skirt into some.. questionable territory with how they do things. Heavy Metal for instance has a distinct advantage over the basic Highlanders with it's hardpoint layout, it's hard to call that p2w because your not suddenly going to stomp face just because of they layout but it is better than the others.

Project Phoenix again isn't p2w everyone will be able to get them but putting them out ahead of time for a special package offer.. eeeehhggghh.. still giving people a distinct pay for advantage. The shadow hawk is going to have a 5 ton advantage over any other medium, meaning if you drop in it you've effectively paid for a 5 ton advantage over a non PP purchaser as we still have weight class match making. Again it'll come out eventually but until than you can almost argue some p2w.

Also the Battlemaster is just gonna be better than the Stalker at our current PPC-fest meta.

edit: Just wanted to point out again I don't think it's p2w but your just feeding gray area.

Edited by Lucian Nostra, 29 June 2013 - 10:06 PM.

[Tezcatli]

It'd only be the case if those mechs gave you an in game advantage over other mechs. But none of those mechs have anything that other mechs don't have.

You're paying not to wait to get each mech. Since they're being released one a month. Which seems lame to me, but whatever. You're also paying not to grind out the C-bills or buy more mechbays. Which is irrelevant if you're one of those people with plenty of c-bills and too many mechbays.

The latter is really my reason for wanting the whole pack. I just wanna have 4 hero mechs that I don't have to waste time grinding c-bills for. But I will wait until the july patch to see if the game improves.

[StandingCow]

ryoma, on 29 June 2013 - 09:45 PM, said:

Hey guys! I'm paying real life money to have superiority for one month! It's not pay to win, because in one month you can be on my level! Hurray!

I am done arguing with you. You are wrong, end of story.

[Ralgas]

Ghogiel, on 29 June 2013 - 01:05 AM, said:

It's pure speculation to say they aren't pay to win.

From what i understand the phoenix mechs only get a paint job+ c-bill and cw point bonus with the same variant being released for c-bills within 3 months after.

Even if it's OP at launch (Oct 15), it's balanced by end of Jan '14' and then only for those forking out $80 now.