35 replies to this topic

[Harabeck]

Please, PGI, that hunch will be a huge liability for the Thunderbolt. Either give it a separate hitbox (we know you're planning on shoulder hitboxes!) or make it completely absent if you don't put missiles there.

[Lyoncet]

Yeah, it's a big hunch, but the hump isn't enough to sink the Hunchback as a 'Mech, and most HBKs lose almost their whole arsenal if they lose their hunch. Thunderbolt loses a hunch and (stock variant) you still have 3 lasers and a couple Autocannons to fall back on. Sure, HBKs are smaller, but still.

But yeah, it'd be cool if they treated the hunch as an externally mounted missile rack instead of a hardwired piece of the chassis.

[Bishop Steiner]

Lyoncet, on 27 June 2013 - 10:50 AM, said:

Yeah, it's a big hunch, but the hump isn't enough to sink the Hunchback as a 'Mech, and most HBKs lose almost their whole arsenal if they lose their hunch. Thunderbolt loses a hunch and (stock variant) you still have 3 lasers and a couple Autocannons to fall back on. Sure, HBKs are smaller, but still.

But yeah, it'd be cool if they treated the hunch as an externally mounted missile rack instead of a hardwired piece of the chassis.

The Hunch IS nerfed by it. The thing has a small enough profile without, that it could run an XL, but because of that hunch, it ain't happening. Same thing here.... XL = Death Wish.

[Lyoncet]

Bishop Steiner, on 27 June 2013 - 10:55 AM, said:

The Hunch IS nerfed by it. The thing has a small enough profile without, that it could run an XL, but because of that hunch, it ain't happening. Same thing here.... XL = Death Wish.

Oh hell no, no way I'd put an XL in that thing if the shoulder tumor is hardwired. My point was just that it's not a death sentence. Besides, the concept art makes it look like the Thunderbolt has a barn door strapped under each arm insofar as center-to-side torso is concerned, so I don't think it looks like a very good candidate for XLs in the first place. Seems like it would likely end up as an even more vulnerable Flame.

[Steinar Bergstol]

XL? In a Thunderbolt? Get thee behind me and so on and so forth! That's blasphemy, that is! The Thunderbolt has always been a tough as nails, heavily armored bruiser. Putting an XL in one and making it a fragile, little kitten is just wrong. Endo steel, certainly, but XL? NEVER!

[Gralzeim]

Harabeck, that's a HUD bug, it doesn't mean anything concrete.

About the Tbolt, we'll have to see the 3D model, it may vary quite a bit from the concept art. I mean, the art looks great, but I agree that the missile pod would be a priority target for anyone, just like the Hunchback's hunch (except for the 4SP which has no big hunch). Though it wouldn't be as bad for a heavy, and as others have said, it wouldn't be like you'd lose 95% of your firepower if the shoulder blows, unlike the non-4SP Hunchbacks.

[Finn McShae]

Its like my little hunchback got all growed up.

[Yiazmat]

That big-o missile hump will make going up over to "peak" shoot a deathtrap on this thing. Also, the lines for the CT are odd and pushed up over the Left Torso... we'll see. It looks like a kickarse machine.

[Ph30nix]

Bishop Steiner, on 27 June 2013 - 10:55 AM, said:

The Hunch IS nerfed by it. The thing has a small enough profile without, that it could run an XL, but because of that hunch, it ain't happening. Same thing here.... XL = Death Wish.

i only have the 9 ML version of the hunchie but my opinion if that hunch goes im borderline useless anyways so SCREW IT XL it is!

[Tennex]

shoulder mounted weapons should just have 50% armor+health of the torso its mounted on. (adjustments on number made where needed) The torso is armored like any other. Pod weapon's armor values are stand alone and do not take from mech's armor pool.

When the mounted weapon is destroyed, the torso doesn't blow up with it.

Edited by Tennex, 27 June 2013 - 05:02 PM.

[TheFuzzyBunny]

I like it.

[General Taskeen]

They can always give specific meshes on a Mech have more damage resistance. They already did it with missile bay doors.

So quite simply, if balance is a concern, they could simply look at Mechs that have liability hitboxes like an AC/20 Hunchback and give parts of the huge box some better damage resistance, same with the future Thunderbolt missile hunch.

[Yiazmat]

General Taskeen, on 27 June 2013 - 12:55 PM, said:

They can always give specific meshes on a Mech have more damage resistance. They already did it with missile bay doors.

So quite simply, if balance is a concern, they could simply look at Mechs that have liability hitboxes like an AC/20 Hunchback and give parts of the huge box some better damage resistance, same with the future Thunderbolt missile hunch.

+1

But, it's Pgi....

[Kibble]

Whats the differance between the Thunderbolts hunch and the Hunchbacks hunch?

[Pariah Devalis]

Kibble, on 27 June 2013 - 01:03 PM, said:

Whats the differance between the Thunderbolts hunch and the Hunchbacks hunch?

...that one hunch may be optional without a second missile system being installed. THey are making their mechs modular. If the Highlander or the Trebuchet is to be used as an example, the over the shoulder pod is the default location for a second missile system, with the first being built into the torso.

At the risk of making way too much god damned sense, why don't we take a wait and see approach, hm?

[Praehotec8]

But it looks so COOL! I love it!

[Tennex]

PGI will probably treat shoulder weapons like they don't exist/no hitbox there

just like how other removable weapon meshs don't have a hitbox.

Edited by Tennex, 27 June 2013 - 02:07 PM.

[Thunder Lips Express]

Bishop Steiner, on 27 June 2013 - 10:55 AM, said:

The Hunch IS nerfed by it. The thing has a small enough profile without, that it could run an XL, but because of that hunch, it ain't happening. Same thing here.... XL = Death Wish.

i wouldn't be surprised if it had it's own hitbox by then, clans will be out shortly after and the timberwolf will be leading the charge. what better way to test the shoulder hitboxes?

[Damocles]

I like chassis distinctions, homogenized mecha for the lose.

[Thunder Lips Express]

Pariah Devalis, on 27 June 2013 - 01:10 PM, said:

...that one hunch may be optional without a second missile system being installed. THey are making their mechs modular. If the Highlander or the Trebuchet is to be used as an example, the over the shoulder pod is the default location for a second missile system, with the first being built into the torso.

At the risk of making way too much god damned sense, why don't we take a wait and see approach, hm?

wait and see? what would the trolls do if they couldn't bash pgi for everything they think they are doing wrong?
also i say the hunch should stay on, it's pretty iconic for the mech, but i get what your saying, it would make sense for it to come off if you don't have a weapon system installed there

Yiazmat, on 27 June 2013 - 12:05 PM, said:

That big-o missile hump will make going up over to "peak" shoot a deathtrap on this thing. Also, the lines for the CT are odd and pushed up over the Left Torso... we'll see. It looks like a kickarse machine.

yeah the tbolt has always been a favourite of mine mostly due to it's odd sharf of the big hunch and the offset cockpit.
they have made this look better then i thought they could...however i guess i normally say that for all mechs, other then the quickdraw i guess, i don't care for the looks of that thing