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[LoneWolfZero777]

hello everyone. I am making a pvp clan and I would like to know if anyone that is interested in joining please message me or add me on the game and I will invite you to a group and test out your skill. we are looking for skilled players who are skilled in any type of mech. i'll be interested in meeting some of ya'll please message or add as soon as possble

[B0oN]

Wrong section brother
The Clans (Wolf, Jadefalcon, Steelviper, ...) unequal to your intended PVP Mercs-Corp.

Maybe ask one of the Moderators to move this thread towards the proper Subforum, which would be the Recruiting sub-forum.

[Jakob Knight]

Rad Hanzo, on 29 June 2013 - 03:43 AM, said:

Wrong section brother
The Clans (Wolf, Jadefalcon, Steelviper, ...) unequal to your intended PVP Mercs-Corp.

Maybe ask one of the Moderators to move this thread towards the proper Subforum, which would be the Recruiting sub-forum.

That, and the Clans would scoff at any Khan who advertised that they were looking to 'hire' members for their Clan. Well, scoff, then seek to scourge them from existence for being so weak that they had to actually ask other warriors to join them rather than taking them as bondsmen on the battlefield.

I predict this Clan will last about 5 minutes past the time they present themselves before the Grand Council for recognition.

Edited by Jakob Knight, 29 June 2013 - 04:35 AM.

[Gremlich Johns]

One would think the moderators would be watching for this sort of thing and *** despair and disappointment in the bud....

[LoneWolfZero777]

uhm ok?

[TheSteelRhino]

Ok hotshot

So here is the deal

The "clans" are something special in the mechwarrior universe. Go to www.sarna.net and lookup clans
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Clans. Also look up inner sphere while you are there.

So the "clans" are a groups of factions that are a warrior based culture and despise mercs. That is why you got the comments above.

So you need to determine if your unit is going to be a "clan" unit, inner sphere house unit, or a merc corps

At the moment since we do not have community warfare yet we don't know how PGI is going to differentiate between clans and merc corps. Also some merc corps are probably going to be strongly affiliated with inner sphere governments(unofficially) b/c they want to be "house aligned" from a role play aspect. And some mercs will be MERCS.

Oh yeah. And unless you want to be mocked I would not use the term clan or guild. Unless you are a clan. And if u go the clan route make up a unit name like "225 Bear Hussars" or something. Devs are goung to control the great houses (inner sphere factions) and the " clan faction". But u could manipulate the merc corps concept a bit to have a clan, or IS house unit kind of unofficially.
Good luck to you

Edited by Rhinehardt Ritter, 29 June 2013 - 10:24 AM.

[Helmer]

Moved to OutReach.




Cheers.

[Henchman 24]

Thanks Helmer for helping him by moving it to the proper place.

You'd think more than just one post would have been helpful, but no....they had to 'educate' him on the clans...as if it mattered in this context.

He's not roleplaying his group...he's forming a gaming clan. Get it through your skulls that gaming clans have existed for decades now, regardless of BT involvement. Yeah, he could call it a corps, or a guild(ugh), but if he's used to the term clan for groups(especially ones that play more than one game)...he has that right.

Grow up and get over it.

/P.S.A.

PS. good luck Hotshot777, hope it goes well.

[TheSteelRhino]

Henchman 24, on 29 June 2013 - 11:11 AM, said:

Thanks Helmer for helping him by moving it to the proper place.

You'd think more than just one post would have been helpful, but no....they had to 'educate' him on the clans...as if it mattered in this context.

He's not roleplaying his group...he's forming a gaming clan. Get it through your skulls that gaming clans have existed for decades now, regardless of BT involvement. Yeah, he could call it a corps, or a guild(ugh), but if he's used to the term clan for groups(especially ones that play more than one game)...he has that right.

Grow up and get over it.

/P.S.A.



PS. good luck Hotshot777, hope it goes well.

Thanks for moving this. Yeah. I think there is some value to educating the guy b/c folks on these forums can be a bit rough.

[LoneWolfZero777]

i honestly could care less about the harshness from others but thanks for the help for thosewho are considerate and not ignorant

[Jakob Knight]

Henchman 24, on 29 June 2013 - 11:11 AM, said:

Thanks Helmer for helping him by moving it to the proper place.

You'd think more than just one post would have been helpful, but no....they had to 'educate' him on the clans...as if it mattered in this context.

He's not roleplaying his group...he's forming a gaming clan. Get it through your skulls that gaming clans have existed for decades now, regardless of BT involvement. Yeah, he could call it a corps, or a guild(ugh), but if he's used to the term clan for groups(especially ones that play more than one game)...he has that right.

Grow up and get over it.

/P.S.A.

PS. good luck Hotshot777, hope it goes well.

Roleplaying has very little to do with it. It's a question of having gamers who won't even put in a basic level of effort to find out the basics of the game they are jumping into suddenly thinking they can act as though it were whatever game they were playing before this.

And no. There are no gaming clans. There are gaming groups, and within each game, the name for those changes. Some may call them clans, some may call them guilds, but it is a basic courtesy to find out and use the proper terminology when speaking to that game. Those who don't invite and should accept the criticism that comes their way. This is especially true when he posted in a section specifically reserved for the Clan Factions in MWO in a way that showed he didn't care what those using that section intended it for.

So, no. He doesn't have the right to call his group a clan within MWO unless they are a Clan. The word is defined within the game as a very specific term for a very specific use, and misusing that term because he is too lazy to do his homework is only a sign of disrespect and ignorance towards the community he is addressing. Anymore than a person who kept calling a 'mech a tank because he/she is from World of Tanks, and could care less what MWO is about. Yes, educating him in the meaning of Clans within MWO is quite important when he decides to speak to the MWO community and is expecting anyone to listen to him.

So, before you call on people to grow up, check your own understanding of the situation.

Edited by Jakob Knight, 01 July 2013 - 08:37 AM.

[Sir Trent Howell]

As a note: the term "clan" in Battletech does not ONLY refer to THE Clans. It just does the vast majority of the time. Japanese families, particularly Kurita, in the Draconis Combine were also referred to as "clans" as per the historical term. The term could also refer to any familiar unit and the other royal families of the Inner Sphere were occasionally referred to as clans in a colloquial manner of speaking. If he were to call his unit the "Tokugawa Clan" or something like that, it would be perfectly fine to call it a clan as indeed it is such. He would have to play it out as such and NOT as one of Kerensky's Clans. It also doesn't excuse the ignorance for posting in the Clan subforum when his post should have gone here, but I wanted to refute Jakob Knight's claim that "hotshot777" has no right to call his group a clan. That's just silly and also wrong. Granted, I don't think this group would last more than 5 minutes with a recruiting post as vague, ignorant and grammatically incorrect as it is. But so it goes.

[Jakob Knight]

Sir Trent Howell, on 01 July 2013 - 09:26 AM, said:

As a note: the term "clan" in Battletech does not ONLY refer to THE Clans. It just does the vast majority of the time. Japanese families, particularly Kurita, in the Draconis Combine were also referred to as "clans" as per the historical term. The term could also refer to any familiar unit and the other royal families of the Inner Sphere were occasionally referred to as clans in a colloquial manner of speaking. If he were to call his unit the "Tokugawa Clan" or something like that, it would be perfectly fine to call it a clan as indeed it is such. He would have to play it out as such and NOT as one of Kerensky's Clans. It also doesn't excuse the ignorance for posting in the Clan subforum when his post should have gone here, but I wanted to refute Jakob Knight's claim that "hotshot777" has no right to call his group a clan. That's just silly and also wrong. Granted, I don't think this group would last more than 5 minutes with a recruiting post as vague, ignorant and grammatically incorrect as it is. But so it goes.

Quite, and I stand corrected. However, I should have said "he has no right to use it as he obviously intended, in a way contrary to the meaning of the word as used in the game". The use of clan in terms of Role Play Unit association with a specific cultural bent is acceptable as long as it is consistent to the world within the MWO game world, but again, this is appropriate use as defined within the game. As it was already obvious (and so stated by another poster, so it wasn't just me considering it so), the OP did not intend it in a RP context, or in any context acceptable within the game, so has no right to use the term as he did.

Similar to me claiming to be a member of the Dev Team because I'm part of the devestator team in another wargame. If I did that here, I'd be rightfully blasted for not knowing what I was talking about by claiming such a position and not bothering to do some reading on the forums before posting to them.

Edited by Jakob Knight, 01 July 2013 - 10:33 AM.