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[Dead Winter Dead]

Hey guys, (yes I am a Founder) I have been following this title for some time now. ...but here is my issue, I am in the US military( Army Ranger 1st Batt A Co 11B RLTW) so I do not have much time to play. I am on again then off again. Tonight were my first games in a bit...it would be nice if vets would help noobs like me and many others I am sure, instead of cursing at us, getting pissed and rage quiting.
Remember, it is just a game and we are all here to have fun. Those of you that help in-game...thanks! Those of you that get pissed because I am a noob need to chill out.
Tonight I was the last one alive on my team against the sole survivor of the enemy and we were sluging it out. I had some teammates in chat going nuts and cheering me on and two that were just {Richard Cameron}.
Chill out guys..win some, lose some. Deal with it.

Help noobs out when you play with them, the community will be better off.

Thanks!

Sua Sponte Mates!

[zztophat]

I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you are looking for mercy, I can tell you I don't have any. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills; skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you power down your mech now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will kill you.


...j/k
But in all seriousness I don't give new players a hard time, I only try to be helpful because for one, telling them they suck does not make them play better (I know, what a crazy thought right?) and two, when I am in the situation of being dead and watching someone else do... well, terrible, I don't bash them for it because... well I'm dead, who am I to tell someone else they suck?

EDIT: i suppose the best advice I could give someone when I am dead is: "Don't do that thing I just did".

Edited by zztophat, 03 July 2013 - 10:05 PM.

[Odnir]

I am always polite to new players, and remind others to do the same if things get heated. I think the game needs a squelch or mute function. Bad apples in a game scare away potential players. I remember when I first started and was one of those guys who didn't even know I could lock my targets with the R key. People were more relaxed then though too. I think as the player base has gotten ( in general ) more experienced, they have forgotten what it was like to be brand new.

[Koniving]

Usually do. Even when they tell me to P. Off because I killed them.

[Appogee]

This is a good post. I get frustrated when dropping with new players, as it's disheartening to play game after game watching your inexperienced team make basic mistakes, ignore tactical advice, and get itself killed quickly, leaving me with impossible odds to win.

However, my frustration is at PGI and their stupid implementation of Elo. It's not fair to me OR THE NEW PLAYERS like yourself that new players be combined with one or two high skilled players, and their skill levels averaged to create what the matchmaker consider an ''average'' team. It just doesn't work. Against a team of all-average players, the 6 noobs will still die quickly, and their 2 good team mates will be overwhelmed by sheer weight of numbers.

It's a dissatisfying experience for all players.

[MavRCK]

Hey man.. i think the elo tries to match players to AVERAGE OUT AND LEVEL OUT the overall elo - correct me if i'm wrong...

so unfairly, low elo players are going to be matched with higher elo players then matched against another equal elo team....

the point being.. say you get really really good looking elo guy with a score of 20... and then it'll give him butt FUGLY teammates of elo 1... to average the elo lower to say 5... so Zoolander is going to rage at FUGLY because to him it makes no sense what FUGLY is doing...

which is shame because it'd be better if you just had a team of players with the same elo vs another team of same elo...



basically if would be like you army dude dropping into a game of laser tag with 5 year-old kids screaming at yelling shooting at one another... and you wondering wtf are you doing playing laser tag with kids instead of army dudes...

Edited by MavRCK, 03 July 2013 - 10:14 PM.

[Capt Jester]

I have a certain level of patience for new players. I will try to help them, give them tips, and make the experience fun for them. But if they ignore my advice (and others advice as well) I just give up. Many of them don't care for teamwork and just want to run'n'gun like they do in Call of Duty and pew pew in big stompy robots. I play CoD as well, but I can understand the major differences between the two games and keep those separate.

[Booran]

If someone asks a legit question, no matter how noobish it might seem, you answer it correctly and politely. That is all, the newcomer should feel welcomed and not patronized.

In pub games you always have a chance/risk of meeting a closed beta veteran who plays worse than a rookie on a first day.

[IraqiWalker]

Sadly a lot of people are that way. It sucks that new players have to deal with them more than anyone else. Mostly because the ELO system will lump players that have been away for a long time, and players that are new, in the low ranks of ELO. The low ranks of ELO are where a good chunk of these guys reside.

All I can say is that the only way to minimize running to these guys is to drop with other people.

[zztophat]

Booran, on 03 July 2013 - 10:41 PM, said:

If someone asks a legit question, no matter how noobish it might seem...

Or if they make a statement that leads you to believe they could be helped by some advice, by all means do so.

For example, twice now I have dropped on river city night and had someone say something along the lines of: "it's too dark, i can see".

I replied and told them which buttons turn on the night vision and the thermal, and got a a thank you in return (that lack of a good tutorial must have a huge effect on the number of people that stop playing due to stuff like this.)

[Deathlike]

I think there's more good players than arses that are willing to help others out.

However, w/o a good tutorial, I feel that people get easily turned away from what effectively is "self induced frustration" and a lot of this is wholly avoidable. Some people don't want the help...

Go figure. I can't.

[Kain]

Yeah, welcome to online gaming, where every stupid kid can play a game and use the chat to proof their insecurity.
Also those kiddies probably won't read these forums..

but yeah it is annoying, but also really helpfull, because I now know what my mom is doing in her spare time, and that I in matter of fact should be attracted to guys..

[Revorn]

I play since Open Beta, but iam realy not a good Player, sometimes my Team call me the worst Player ever seen. And sometimes they are rigth.

Sometimes i run into Walls or dont being able to hit anything smaller than a Mountian. But to be true i never readed Insults or something equall. Often my Teammates try to tell me what i can do and if iam Lucky,i can do what they tell me. Things like, "Hey you have a Large Laser left, use it"

So i expirienced this Community as a helpfully, and friendly one.

Edited by Revorn, 04 July 2013 - 12:44 AM.

[Edson Drake]

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This is a good post. I get frustrated when dropping with new players, as it's disheartening to play game after game watching your inexperienced team make basic mistakes, ignore tactical advice, and get itself killed quickly, leaving me with impossible odds to win.

However, my frustration is at PGI and their stupid implementation of Elo. It's not fair to me OR THE NEW PLAYERS like yourself that new players be combined with one or two high skilled players, and their skill levels averaged to create what the matchmaker consider an ''average'' team. It just doesn't work. Against a team of all-average players, the 6 noobs will still die quickly, and their 2 good team mates will be overwhelmed by sheer weight of numbers.

It's a dissatisfying experience for all players.

This frustrates me a lot.

However, it's important that new people actually listen to older players, follow advices, etc. The problem lies in the kids that think they will own everyone with their Battlefield l33t skillz, and play alone, shoot your back with laser/PPCs, make fun of you when they died first and so on.

The Mechwarrior community in general is great, the problem always seem to lie in the new kids on the block(oh God and we DO need them unfortunately)...

[Inveramsay]

seeing as this game has lower entry obstactles that most games by virtue of being F2P it will attract trolls of various kinds as getting banned isn't much of a problem if you can just make a new account without losing money on it. Then combined with the fact that people on the internet are not rarely jerkwads it isn't always pretty

I think it is our duty to help at least when it blatantly obvious a player doesn't know what he is doing if he is say shooting lrms at <180m, srms at >270m and so on. If someone sends along in the chat that it is their first match I tend to tell them to follow me if I'm in vaguely the same kind of mech though hardly anyone ever does

[Dalziel Hasek Davion]

Since there is no systemic enforcement of conduct rules in chat, it is down to the community - represented by the fine individuals that post regularly in these forums - to take a stand against unacceptable sledging of other players in chat - and make sure they are aware that the community does not accept it. Social enforcement is an effective long-term mechanism to control abusive language/behaviour by other players only when applied consistently by a large number of players.

All we need to do for it not to work is to sit back and accept the poor language and behaviour.

Someone doing the text equivalent of tutting when they didn't win (or braying when they did), whinging unconstructively about "noobs" or "typical PUGs" (when they probably contributed to the loss themselves) is ignorable. Even with the odd cuss word - although we ought to be mindful that young people play the game.

Targeting individuals for undue heavy-handed (and ill-founded) criticism is unacceptable. New players are welcome and we all need to extend hospitality and help. The main issue is that the people in the forums are great community members and are not the people behaving like this in chat.

When the words used veer towards invective, racism, sexism, homophobia or the like - then a line is crossed and the community must work together to cut it out. This starts with a simple text request to stop followed by a simple warning that it will be reported and finally by reporting to support with screenshot evidence. It may seem extreme - but I have seen vulnerable people severely impacted by online commentary during an activity that was meant to be a release from real world care and worry. I will personally not stand by and let people be bullied.

It is easy for robust and mature individuals to casually accept the rough talk of online gamers - even adopt some of the less appealing vocabulary as our own. As individuals it is easy to shrug off the ranting and mewlings of people far away who we are at liberty to think bad things about. However not everyone playing the game is as immune to crude barbs and intolerance. You don't know who's behind the keyboard on the other side of the planet - what they are thinking - and how they are feeling. Politeness and offers of help create a better community.

[Benjamin Davion]

Dead Winter Dead, on 03 July 2013 - 08:05 PM, said:

Hey guys, (yes I am a Founder) I have been following this title for some time now. ...but here is my issue, I am in the US military( Army Ranger 1st Batt A Co 11B RLTW) so I do not have much time to play. I am on again then off again. Tonight were my first games in a bit...it would be nice if vets would help noobs like me and many others I am sure, instead of cursing at us, getting pissed and rage quiting.
Remember, it is just a game and we are all here to have fun. Those of you that help in-game...thanks! Those of you that get pissed because I am a noob need to chill out.
Tonight I was the last one alive on my team against the sole survivor of the enemy and we were sluging it out. I had some teammates in chat going nuts and cheering me on and two that were just {Richard Cameron}.
Chill out guys..win some, lose some. Deal with it.

Help noobs out when you play with them, the community will be better off.

Thanks!

Sua Sponte Mates!

Hoah Rangers! Hail from Columbus Georgia! I'm with you on this, brother. I haven't been around long enough to have the chutzpah to call myself an 'old player', but I've been playing obsessively enough lately that I can see a marked difference between myself and people who just started out. (Not trying to be cokcy or toot my own horn here, just calling how I see it. I'm not a great pilot, I'm just a little experienced now.) I try to offer advice as much as I can, especially when I'm down an spectating with someone who seems to be inexperienced. Screaming and hollering doesn't encourage people, and cussing them out doesn't teach them. We need to be civil and help train up our new members, not break them down and run them off. Just a thought.

[Robin Wolf]

it's an online game environment where you'll find people of any age, education, attitude, skill and whatsoever... so expect some hard comebacks if you do "stupid noob mistakes".

That said, from my own experience it depends on the time you play, I take. I do usually play on european late evenings and nights and I met just a few people being rude. So my advice is, dear op, keep on going and carry on. For the most part, the folks around here are ok.

[The Cheese]

I'm normally pretty willing to help people who ask for advice or seem to need help, but one time...just one time...

I had a stab at a noob. I felt bad about it afterwards.

Sorry, Firebrand dude.

[Mazzyplz]

if you mess up say sorry, and if you're new give that as an excuse.

plenty of people mess up and blame others. every time i have apologized for anything i got positive feedback

"hey, happens!"

"can't win them all"

but i also get mad at people who disregard the team's plan... if you don't want to go eps then at least type something on chat.... it's annoying when 5 people on your team spread out around the map and get picked off.
L2p! but if you can't then apologize for draggin the team down with your noobness!