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[Ngamok]

lartfor, on 04 July 2013 - 07:18 AM, said:

Yeah, this post does not make any sense...

Just in, those "competitive" players that you seem to loath, know a whole **** load more about game play balance than those who pug a few times a week. Failure to understand this means that you're lacking some rather significant cognitive functions.

I'd rather take advice from people that actually know what they are talking about...

You also seem to be under the misguided opinion that a game balanced at the high end will not work for everyone else... I hate to say it, but I believe your opinion, again, is a result of lack luster mental fortitude.

Not me, because some of those guys stilla rgue to bring back the old Jump Jets with no shake. Sorry.

[Kunae]

Ngamok, on 04 July 2013 - 07:33 AM, said:

Not me, because some of those guys stilla rgue to bring back the old Jump Jets with no shake. Sorry.

<sighs>

Isn't there a term for "arguing from a position of blatant stupidity"? One of the logical fallacies, perhaps, anyone?

[Jonny Taco]

Ngamok, on 04 July 2013 - 07:33 AM, said:

Not me, because some of those guys stilla rgue to bring back the old Jump Jets with no shake. Sorry.

Well, considering the shake really has no effect on the cone or accuracy of your shots it's not really an "unreasonable" request.

While I personally like the shake simply for immersion, it's not there for game play balance... Those whining about how "less shake = op jump jets" need to actually review how the mechanic works...

Edited by lartfor, 04 July 2013 - 07:43 AM.

[Chavette]

Ngamok, on 04 July 2013 - 07:33 AM, said:

Not me, because some of those guys stilla rgue to bring back the old Jump Jets with no shake. Sorry.

This is the problem with this forum, people are flaming and getting nothing for it. At best their posts get deleted without a warning after 2-3 days of being reported after the thread has been off-ed to oblivion and buried. Theres nothing to be afraid of for them, so they mouth off as much as they can, just because they can.

This specimen can barely construct sentences and is ruining a thread about something completely different.

Edited by Chavette, 04 July 2013 - 07:40 AM.

[Kunae]

Ah, here it is: Qui lambit fenestras.

[DrunkDrivin]

Might as well close this thread now. Someone made a valid point and this is now digressing due to a few thinking that their way of thinking is vastly superior to casuals. Good try OP. Unfortunately this is the forum, where insults and social stupidity reign supreme.

[Kunae]

DrunkDrivin, on 04 July 2013 - 07:41 AM, said:

Might as well close this thread now. Someone made a valid point and this is now digressing due to a few thinking that their way of thinking is vastly superior to casuals. Good try OP. Unfortunately this is the forum, where insults and social stupidity reign supreme.

If it were properly moderated, this wouldn't be an issue.

[RG Notch]

Chavette, on 04 July 2013 - 07:39 AM, said:

This is the problem with this forum, people are flaming and getting nothing for it. At best their posts get deleted without a warning after 2-3 days of being reported after the thread has been off-ed to oblivion and buried. Theres nothing to be afraid of for them, so they mouth off as much as they can, just because they can.

This specimen can barely construct sentences and is ruining a thread about something completely different.

Yes this thread is for the "elite" to show how elite they are and tell all the rest of us how it should be. Why don't the rest of you peasants pipe down while the "competitive" players "fix" the game for all of you unwashed masses. It's like you people think your opinions matter or that your money is worth the same as theirs. What's your Elo? How can you have a valid opinion if these folks can't see your Elo to see if it measures up?

[MaddMaxx]

Villz, on 04 July 2013 - 06:42 AM, said:

Ok i'll make it easy for you.

When u start dropping into games against the same players who always seem to dominate.
Your probably starting to get there.
When it "fails to find match" 2 or 3 times in a row regularly your probably getting there.
When you start getting headshot your probably starting to get there.

All the "High ELO" players know who each other are, Its a small community up the top.

Ok then. When you face the "Cheese" en Mass, one has arrived at the TOP. Got it. Thanks for that insightful foray into the upper crust of MWO

[Ngamok]

Chavette, on 04 July 2013 - 07:39 AM, said:

This is the problem with this forum, people are flaming and getting nothing for it. At best their posts get deleted without a warning after 2-3 days of being reported after the thread has been off-ed to oblivion and buried. Theres nothing to be afraid of for them, so they mouth off as much as they can, just because they can.

This specimen can barely construct sentences and is ruining a thread about something completely different.

Am I? Because I was responding to someone and put in something that high elo player still complain about as an example why I wouldn't trust them to get things right with the devs.

[MaddMaxx]

lartfor, on 04 July 2013 - 07:18 AM, said:

Yeah, this post does not make any sense...

Just in, those "competitive" players that you seem to loath, know a whole **** load more about game play balance than those who pug a few times a week. Failure to understand this means that you're lacking some rather significant cognitive functions.

I'd rather take advice from people that actually know what they are talking about...

You also seem to be under the misguided opinion that a game balanced at the high end will not work for everyone else... I hate to say it, but I believe your opinion, again, is a result of lack luster mental fortitude.

Dude. Please don't delude yourself so hard. It is not good for your "mental fortitude". An imagined better "ELO" is just that, imagined.

If it boils down to "how many games have you played" that actually makes one an expert, then perhaps we should have that published in our Sigs, whether we want it or not. Then a true E-Peen gauge can be seen and used by those who would, to tell the others to F-off and sit down, as obviously they know f-all.

Edited by MaddMaxx, 04 July 2013 - 07:52 AM.

[Jonny Taco]

RG Notch, on 04 July 2013 - 07:45 AM, said:

Yes this thread is for the "elite" to show how elite they are and tell all the rest of us how it should be. Why don't the rest of you peasants pipe down while the "competitive" players "fix" the game for all of you unwashed masses. It's like you people think your opinions matter or that your money is worth the same as theirs. What's your Elo? How can you have a valid opinion if these folks can't see your Elo to see if it measures up?

Notch, this is not a democracy, not everyone's opinion is considered equal... I'm not saying I have some magic insight into the minds of the developers letting me know who they do and do listen to, I'm simply trying to illustrate a fact that some players know far more about this game than others...

Those who have played for months, have thousands and thousands of matches under their belt AND play within high end competitive groups will almost ALWAYS have a better grasp at the general state of game play balance than a player who pugs a few times a week. This is not about equality of opinion, it's about bettering the game... Like I stated, I'd rather take advice from someone who actually knows wtf they are talking about.

Edited by lartfor, 04 July 2013 - 07:52 AM.

[Jonny Taco]

MaddMaxx, on 04 July 2013 - 07:51 AM, said:

Dude. Please don't delude yourself so hard. It is not good for your "mental fortitude". An imagined better "ELO" is just that, imagined.

If it boils down to "how many games have you played" that actually makes one an expert, then perhaps we should have that published in our Sigs, whether we want it or not. Then a true E-Peen gauge can be seen and used by those who would, to tell the others to F-off and sit down, as obviously they know f-all.

It's has nothing to do with elo, or e-peen, it has to do with the quality of opinion in regards to future balance development...

Again, I'd rather listen to those that actually know what they are talking about. I know, it's a crazy concept.

[Screech]

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

[Villz]

I ask if you have nothing to add to the OP and feel this is a thread for you to use anecdotal evidence and break out into ad hominim please refrain from posting ty.

and go back to your OMGBBQZ ppc op threads

Edited by Villz, 04 July 2013 - 08:00 AM.

[MaddMaxx]

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I'd rather take advice from someone who actually knows wtf they are talking about.

Can't fault a person for that. The issue then becomes. How many people would you seriously listen to their opinions? 4? more than 10? >than 50. How many, before you run into the same issue as you appear to loath right here right now? To many opinions, despite that "everyone" in that group is in the know.

[Villz]

Villz, on 04 July 2013 - 07:59 AM, said:

I ask if you have nothing to add to the OP and feel this is a thread for you to use anecdotal evidence and break out into ad hominim please refrain from posting ty.

and go back to your OMGBBQZ ppc op threads

ty

And just for those needing clarification

http://en.wikipedia....cdotal_evidence

and

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Ad_hominim



Anecdotal evidence is not a basis for counter arguement.

Edited by Villz, 04 July 2013 - 08:06 AM.

[MaddMaxx]

Villz, on 04 July 2013 - 07:59 AM, said:

I ask if you have nothing to add to the OP and feel this is a thread for you to use anecdotal evidence and break out into ad hominim please refrain from posting ty.

and go back to your OMGBBQZ ppc op threads

Here is another solution to your torment. Stop making BS threads that pre-suppose that you, and your ilk, think they know more about MWO, by some gift from the BT gods, than almost everyone else on the Forums.

Then we can ALL go back to our OMGBBQZ ppc op threads together. We would welcome you to join us as well.

Edited by MaddMaxx, 04 July 2013 - 08:05 AM.

[RG Notch]

lartfor, on 04 July 2013 - 07:52 AM, said:

Notch, this is not a democracy, not everyone's opinion is considered equal... I'm not saying I have some magic insight into the minds of the developers letting me know who they do and do listen to, I'm simply trying to illustrate a fact that some players know far more about this game than others...

Those who have played for months, have thousands and thousands of matches under their belt AND play within high end competitive groups will almost ALWAYS have a better grasp at the general state of game play balance than a player who pugs a few times a week. This is not about equality of opinion, it's about bettering the game... Like I stated, I'd rather take advice from someone who actually knows wtf they are talking about.

How do you know they know what they are talking about? A lot of them have their high Elo from playing in groups against PUGS. Many haven't ever tried anything other than the FotM because that's all they need to win.
I'm not under the illusion that everyone an contribute equally to a balance decision. I just wish these threads didn't have to start with saying how great the player is and how all the other great players they talk to all could fix the game with 5 minutes access to the code. These folks often accuse the devs of being stubborn and not open to change, then they publish their ideas to fix the game and defend them like a cornered rat and refuse to budge.
The constant blather of how they are the last best and only hope for MWO gets old, apparently not just with me. Perhaps preface ideas with a little humility instead of elitism and maybe these threads wouldn't go downhill so fast. It seems horn tooting is more important than fixing in some people's posting. Of course the chicken little sky is falling hyperbole is not helpful either, but it seems ingrained in these folks. You can't just note a problem, you have to say if it's not fixed you and all your competitive friends will leave.
That's the reason in my opinion these threads from on high deteriorate. It's not just the message, it's how you package the message. A lesson for PGI as well.

Villz, on 04 July 2013 - 08:02 AM, said:

ty

And just for those needing clarification

http://en.wikipedia....cdotal_evidence

and

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Ad_hominim



Anecdotal evidence is not a basis for counter arguement.

While you're looking at definitions :
http://www.thefreedi...ary.com/elitist

[Chavette]

Villz, on 04 July 2013 - 07:59 AM, said:

I ask if you have nothing to add to the OP and feel this is a thread for you to use anecdotal evidence and break out into ad hominim please refrain from posting ty.

and go back to your OMGBBQZ ppc op threads

See. You can't get that here, as my post on top of the page.

Some people can't wait to get offended when they read something different than their own views. With the current forum rules and enforcement, having meaningful discussions are out of the question. I tried a few times, I know.