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[Villz]

MaddMaxx, on 04 July 2013 - 08:04 AM, said:

Here is another solution to your torment. Stop making BS threads that pre-suppose that you, and your ilk, think they know more about MWO, by some gift from the BT gods, than almost everyone else on the Forums.

Then we can ALL go back to our OMGBBQZ ppc op threads together. We would welcome you to join us as well.

Responding to tone now. Well that's 1 step up the pyramid.

[Chavette]

This thread would achieve a level 2.0 average if it ran 10 pages. Thats just the "community" here.

[Villz]

RG Notch, on 04 July 2013 - 08:06 AM, said:

How do you know they know what they are talking about? A lot of them have their high Elo from playing in groups against PUGS. Many haven't ever tried anything other than the FotM because that's all they need to win.
I'm not under the illusion that everyone an contribute equally to a balance decision. I just wish these threads didn't have to start with saying how great the player is and how all the other great players they talk to all could fix the game with 5 minutes access to the code. These folks often accuse the devs of being stubborn and not open to change, then they publish their ideas to fix the game and defend them like a cornered rat and refuse to budge.
The constant blather of how they are the last best and only hope for MWO gets old, apparently not just with me. Perhaps preface ideas with a little humility instead of elitism and maybe these threads wouldn't go downhill so fast. It seems horn tooting is more important than fixing in some people's posting. Of course the chicken little sky is falling hyperbole is not helpful either, but it seems ingrained in these folks. You can't just note a problem, you have to say if it's not fixed you and all your competitive friends will leave.
That's the reason in my opinion these threads from on high deteriorate. It's not just the message, it's how you package the message. A lesson for PGI as well.


While you're looking at definitions :
http://www.thefreedi...ary.com/elitist

I fail to see at what point offering to help for free to the betterment of all maintains any single form of entitlement or authority. As such i believe therefore the only way to take this statement is a form of ad hominem. Back down to teir 2 for you.

Unless you are accusing me as being an eitist in regard to discussion and debate in where i am only intrested in having a higher teir discussion to this which you would be correct,

And as to the reason why I think we would be good candidates to give feedback.

Edited by Villz, 04 July 2013 - 08:15 AM.

[Jonny Taco]

So wait, stating that people who have more knowledge on a subject generally have a better opinion is now elitist?

[Whompity]

lartfor, on 04 July 2013 - 08:20 AM, said:

So wait, stating that people who have more knowledge on a subject generally have a better opinion is now elitist?

I think it's that first bit that's being debated, currently. That and the implication that it would (if true) allow them to speak for everyone else. That probably wasn't what the OP was aiming for, but it may have come across that way.

Edited by Olivia Maybach, 04 July 2013 - 08:23 AM.

[Mentalcowman]

I'm not sure anyone can be elitist in this game since its so easy to be good at with matchmaking sucking and fotm builds dominating everything else , just alpha strike the cockpit, ct or side torsos. Thats the depth of the game at the momment. Use cheese with a premade group of 4 = highest elo.

[RG Notch]

Villz, on 04 July 2013 - 08:13 AM, said:

I fail to see at what point offering to help for free to the betterment of all maintains any single form of entitlement or authority. As such i believe therefore the only way to take this statement is a form of ad hominem. Back down to teir 2 for you.

Unless you are accusing me as being an eitist in regard to discussion and debate in where i am only intrested in having a higher teir discussion to this which you would be correct,

And as to the reason why I think we would be good candidates to give feedback.

Exactly. Only the anointed ones whose Elo shall be judged to be worthy may speak! Begone peasants, only the illuminated ones hold the wisdom to save you from yourselves. Do you have a fancy sig identifying you as one of the superior breed? How so ever does one deign to speak in the presence of one's betters?
Once people learn their proper place in the pecking order and how to bow before those whose knowledge knows no bounds all will be well with in MWO.
Don't make eye contact, they consider that a sign of aggression. Don't speak unless your sig is from one of the "elite" units. Agree to what they post in polls or you are proving your ignorance. If you vote an agree you are validating their superiority. Let no one dare address their posts lest it be to agree. Unless your Elo is high enough, then you may engage in a gentlemanly debate.
As I said I welcome the rule of our high Elo overlords! May their rule be beneficial to all the unwashed masses!

[Villz]

At no point was this a self elected people's champions council. This was the close knit competitive scene offering to help PGI gain insight into how the game is played in the most talented of hands.
Like it or not the top clans are all known to each other often very personally.
Competitive community is always factor (not the only one) in design and balance.

PGI , IGP wouldn't be replacing anything it's just a way for the developers to better understand 1 aspect of their game.

It almost feels like alot of the posters in this thread are either but hurt because they aren't inside this group?

Haters Gunna Hate!

http://mwomercs.com/...nt-performance/

http://www.lastmechs...pages/bracket1/

http://www.lastmechs...es/8v8bracket2/

13:0 running come @ me


And if you feel your apart of this community. Lets see you play in the leagues or drop against DV8. We welcome all challangers. Come let your units mech increase to our ever growing pile of salvage!

Edited by Villz, 04 July 2013 - 08:31 AM.

[Chavette]

Mentalcowman, on 04 July 2013 - 08:23 AM, said:

I'm not sure anyone can be elitist in this game since its so easy to be good at with matchmaking sucking and fotm builds dominating everything else , just alpha strike the cockpit, ct or side torsos. Thats the depth of the game at the momment. Use cheese with a premade group of 4 = highest elo.

Prime example of the Dunning–Kruger effect.

I bet you beat em all, thats why you know that?

[Inkarnus]

shows it best whats wrong with ppls like Villz
and all they care about! bragging rights!

Edited by Inkarnus, 04 July 2013 - 08:38 AM.

[RG Notch]

Villz, on 04 July 2013 - 08:27 AM, said:

At no point was this a self elected people's champions council. This was the close knit competitive scene offering to help PGI gain insight into how the game is played in the most talented of hands.
Like it or not the top clans are all known to each other often very personally.
Competitive community is always factor (not the only one) in design and balance.

PGI , IGP wouldn't be replacing anything it's just a way for the developers to better understand 1 aspect of their game.

It almost feels like alot of the posters in this thread are either but hurt because they aren't inside this group?

Haters Gunna Hate!

http://mwomercs.com/...nt-performance/

http://www.lastmechs...pages/bracket1/

http://www.lastmechs...es/8v8bracket2/

13:0 running come @ me


And if you feel your apart of this community. Lets see you play in the leagues or drop against DV8. We welcome all challangers. Come let your units mech increase to our ever growing pile of salvage!

Still nothing changes! You peasants are just ********* because you Elo is so low! What did I say, more about e peen than fixing. Come challenge us, you're just jealous! Anyone with a different opinion is a scrub!
Look not everyone can be as good at video games as you folks. I mean who doesn't aspire to that goal. I mean they're elite video game players! Hard core stuff! Don't let the jealous haters deter you from your self proclaimed greatness. I mean all of you know you're the best, don't let anyone get you down!

[Villz]

RG Notch, on 04 July 2013 - 08:40 AM, said:

Still nothing changes! You peasants are just ********* because you Elo is so low! What did I say, more about e peen than fixing. Come challenge us, you're just jealous! Anyone with a different opinion is a scrub!
Look not everyone can be as good at video games as you folks. I mean who doesn't aspire to that goal. I mean they're elite video game players! Hard core stuff! Don't let the jealous haters deter you from your self proclaimed greatness. I mean all of you know you're the best, don't let anyone get you down!

i hope for your own sake that you are just trolling. Because if not that says for volumes as to you as a person.

http://www.psycholog...-actions-others

[Fate 6]

Valore, on 04 July 2013 - 07:28 AM, said:

I think villz has a point when he says better players get more frustrated. A few reasons:

1. If you're perfectionist, anything going wrong is going to **** you off. So the game having bugs will annoy you.

2. You notice it more. Poor players spray weapons across enemy mechs so usually don't notice if they miss. Good players who are used to having a 90+% hit rate with something like PPCs will NOTICE when their damage drops from around 1K+ a game to 400-600.

3. More competitive players end up in situations where having that last PPC salvo noreg will screw you over royally in an important game. Less competitive players can shrug it off and launch their next drop.

Its not that people who want to compete go berzerk for no reason and come here to QQ. Really, we would rather be doing something more productive.

He didn't say better players get more frustrated, he said dedicated/passionate players do.

You better believe I'd be playing at the highest Elo if I didn't have integrated graphics (and if I actually wanted to boat only Gauss/LL/PPC all day). Doesn't change the fact that I have loved this franchise since I played MW2, and have a pretty good idea of game balance (AMS whyyyyyyyyyyyyy).

@OP it's nice to finally see you restraining your really inappropriate comments I spoke too soon. I agree that PGI should take a note from competitive teams, but as we both know from our time in DWAR, the game needs to be fun to play on a non-competitive level too or people just get tired of playing. You guys probably don't use LBX/MG/MPL all that often in competitive (MAYBE MPL on Jenners like Whispsy does/did), so you get less of an idea of their state - whereas I run a CTF-4x for teh lulz that has all 3 (and an SRM4 because I wasn't using enough UP weapons) so I get a pretty decent idea of how all these systems work (they don't). Basically what I'm saying is that you shouldn't get the idea that PGI should ONLY listen to "competitive" players (it's not like there are that many teams right now due to the state of the game). There are plenty of people on the forums, myself included, that simply play for fun right now because the balance is no fun from a competitive standpoint (medium mechs pls?). We still know what we're talking about because we still play the game.

Edited by Fate 6, 04 July 2013 - 08:53 AM.

[Rippthrough]

Good start to the thread, ruined by morons. Par for the course.

As for high elo players only getting their because they're using FOTM builds - what do you think they're playing against?
And if they have, those FOTM builds have changed and adapted every month, so they've experience of a lot of playstyles and weapons.

And it's not particularly true anyway, I've been running a Spider with MG's for the past week half the time.

Edited by Rippthrough, 04 July 2013 - 08:52 AM.

[Villz]

Fate 6, on 04 July 2013 - 08:43 AM, said:

He didn't say better players get more frustrated, he said dedicated/passionate players do.

You better believe I'd be playing at the highest Elo if I didn't have integrated graphics (and if I actually wanted to boat only Gauss/LL/PPC all day). Doesn't change the fact that I have loved this franchise since I played MW2, and have a pretty good idea of game balance (AMS whyyyyyyyyyyyyy).

http://en.wikipedia....93Kruger_effect

Rippthrough, on 04 July 2013 - 08:44 AM, said:

Good start to the thread, ruined by morons. Par for the course.

always the case.

[Chavette]

RG, you never go full ******.

[Mentalcowman]

Facepalm, the idea of a competative community is for others to spectate and for there to be cash prizes as an incentive to increase the quality of competition and it also helps to have a diverse and balanced game to make it more interesting, there is neither and until then its all pointless.

Go look at twitch tv, fps or shooting based games are not popular to watch, im pretty confident if there ever is a competative scene here it will be either organised by third partys like it is now or just all together flop.

p.s Chavette please do not personally insult me, i did not do it to anyone so i would appreciate if you didnt do it to me. I only pug these days a few games at a time due to full time work and the game losing my interest and such, i would consider myself an above average player but not the MWO god.

Edited by Mentalcowman, 04 July 2013 - 08:55 AM.

[Villz]

Mentalcowman, on 04 July 2013 - 08:48 AM, said:

Facepalm, the idea of a competative community is for others to spectate and for there to be cash prizes as an incentive to increase the quality of competition and it also helps to have a diverse and balanced game to make it more interesting, there is neither and until then its all pointless.

Go look at twitch tv, fps or shooting based games are not popular to watch, im pretty confident if there ever is a competative scene here it will be either organised by third partys like it is now or just all together flop.

Competition is for the sake of competition perhaps its so far out of your own psyche to invision people trying to perfect everything they do in life. Other great examples of this is the Navy S.E.A.L.s, S.A.S, etc. Being driven is another way of referring to it.

MWO is not LoL or SC2.

[Fate 6]

Villz, on 04 July 2013 - 08:50 AM, said:

Competition is for the sake of competition perhaps its so far out of your own psyche to invision people trying to perfect everything they do in life. Other great examples of this is the Navy S.E.A.L.s, S.A.S, etc. Being driven is another way of referring to it.

MWO is not LoL or SC2.

LoL is fun to play on a non-competitive level, and is balanced around it quite frequently. They listen to non-competitive players all the time, because they know that is the majority of the player base. Less than .1% of LoL players are at that level, and they want the other 99.9% to be happy.

Apply that logic here.

[ICEFANG13]

Its a great idea. Ideally though they should know this stuff, they just take a insane amount of time to do it.