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[jeffsw6]

Who really cares since the only useful mech is the STK-3F ...

[keith]

jeffsw6, on 10 July 2013 - 04:45 AM, said:

Who really cares since the only useful mech is the STK-3F ...

they made it that way, and it such a shame the game was so fun back in CB. u could do everything and do all the tactics. even snipe even though u had no zoom...

[MustrumRidcully]

Maybe the answer is just:
"Because he can".

No one can dispute that.

[WolvesX]

MustrumRidcully, on 10 July 2013 - 05:58 AM, said:

Maybe the answer is just:
"Because he can".

No one can dispute that.

[bucurmish]

WolvesX, on 10 July 2013 - 10:09 AM, said:

I wish we could dispute that . Sadly this thread has 100% more chances of being closed before the next balance patch than Paul answering us.

[Dreamslave]

LPL's were rarely used in any of the thousands of matches I've played before the nerf. I haven't seen a single LPL since the nerf. And I've been looking. GG PGI, GG.

[MustrumRidcully]

Dreamslave, on 10 July 2013 - 10:37 AM, said:

LPL's were rarely used in any of the thousands of matches I've played before the nerf. I haven't seen a single LPL since the nerf. And I've been looking. GG PGI, GG.

I have an idea...

Let'S just replace the PPC and the LPL stats and vice versa! You don't eve have to change the color!

This way, we've solved the problem of PPC stalkers overnight, and LPLs are useful again!

Edited by MustrumRidcully, 10 July 2013 - 10:43 AM.

[SgtMaster]

i think they did it to have everyone just use the ppc's...

much easier game to learn if everyone is using 1 mech and only 1 weapon type...

[SirLANsalot]

Pulse Lasers are being Normalized, and theres only been one pass on them. We have no idea what they are bring normalized TO, but at least there getting reworked. (This they all said IN THE PATCH, and in the COMMAND CHAIR posts)

Personally I LOVE the new damage numbers from the LPL, and hope to see them up there damage in total, and quicken the damage dealt. Heat (as always) should be the drawback factor of ANY energy weapon, its what keeps them in check vs the other types. Normal PPC needs to go back to its 9 heat and the ER back to its 13. Then the LPL will look quite enticing, and the PPC OMG YOUR A NOOB Apocalypse can come to an end.

[Deathlike]

MustrumRidcully, on 10 July 2013 - 10:42 AM, said:

I have an idea...

Let'S just replace the PPC and the LPL stats and vice versa! You don't eve have to change the color!

This way, we've solved the problem of PPC stalkers overnight, and LPLs are useful again!

Well, at least LPLs would actually be boated properly.

[kesuga7]

i never asked for this

or did anyone else

[jeffsw6]

SirLANsalot, on 10 July 2013 - 10:49 AM, said:

Personally I LOVE the new damage numbers from the LPL, and hope to see them up there damage in total, and quicken the damage dealt.

Why? It got a miniscule damage increase and a not-as-miniscule heat increase, taking away its status as the dmg/heat leader among energy-weapons.

The LPL change was stupid. I'll read your reasoning for why you disagree, but in the context of all the other weapons having many advantages over it, I don't see why you would want to use an LPL on any build.

[Gallowglas]

I'm pretty sure it's because they wanted to collect and parse data with normalized numbers before deciding how, and what, they need to adjust.

[WolvesX]

jeffsw6, on 10 July 2013 - 11:35 AM, said:

Why? It got a miniscule damage increase and a not-as-miniscule heat increase, taking away its status as the dmg/heat leader among energy-weapons.

The LPL change was stupid. I'll read your reasoning for why you disagree, but in the context of all the other weapons having many advantages over it, I don't see why you would want to use an LPL on any build.

Maybe he means DMG is ok, but heat far to high.

Like 7.3 Heat with 10.6 dmg.

[kesuga7]

Gallowglas, on 10 July 2013 - 11:44 AM, said:

I'm pretty sure it's because they wanted to collect and parse data with normalized numbers before deciding how, and what, they need to adjust.

wowzer good post lol

[WolvesX]

kesuga7, on 10 July 2013 - 11:52 AM, said:

wowzer good post lol

You can't collect data if no one uses them because they are terrible.

No serious player is going to use them.

So you get BAD data instead.

[WolvesX]

EDIT: sry for double post.

Edited by WolvesX, 11 July 2013 - 02:36 AM.

[jeffsw6]

Gallowglas, on 10 July 2013 - 11:44 AM, said:

I'm pretty sure it's because they wanted to collect and parse data with normalized numbers before deciding how, and what, they need to adjust.

WolvesX, on 10 July 2013 - 11:55 AM, said:

You can't collect data if no one uses them because they are terrible.

Let me elaborate on WolvesX's post.

PGI doesn't even understand which weapons are good and which aren't. If the Machine Gun issue didn't demonstrate that clearly, the LPL adjustment certainly does. They do not know why good players find themselves forced into PPC/Gauss builds and away from anything resembling a short-range, brawler build.

They don't understand that the data they are getting from all weapons, except PPC/Gauss, is bad.

Bad data is worse than no data at all. It can either be discarded entirely, or it can be used to draw incorrect conclusions. PGI continues to draw incorrect conclusions about game-play.

There can be no reason why they adjusted LPL, other than their ignorance.

[Victor Morson]

jeffsw6, on 11 July 2013 - 04:42 AM, said:

Let me elaborate on WolvesX's post.

PGI doesn't even understand which weapons are good and which aren't. If the Machine Gun issue didn't demonstrate that clearly, the LPL adjustment certainly does. They do not know why good players find themselves forced into PPC/Gauss builds and away from anything resembling a short-range, brawler build.

They don't understand that the data they are getting from all weapons, except PPC/Gauss, is bad.

Bad data is worse than no data at all. It can either be discarded entirely, or it can be used to draw incorrect conclusions. PGI continues to draw incorrect conclusions about game-play.

There can be no reason why they adjusted LPL, other than their ignorance.

And importantly, they refuse the help of the people who could help them, pretty much. It's a vicious circle.

[WolvesX]

Victor Morson, on 11 July 2013 - 05:07 AM, said:

And importantly, they refuse the help of the people who could help them, pretty much. It's a vicious circle.

And that bring up an other question:

Why do they refuse the help? Many volks are able and willing!