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#1 RollinThunter

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 06:13 AM

I'm looking to pick out a new laptop for use in gaming(my 3 year old insperon 1545 is struggling to run wot on the lowest settings), and I'm fairly certain that it would end like an episode of will it blend if any software with crysis in its name so much as looked a it funny. So right now I'm I'm looking to pick out a new laptop for use in gaming(my 3 year old insperon 1545 is struggling to run wot on the lowest settings), and I'm fairly certain that it would end like an episode of will it blend if any software with crysis in its name so much as looked a it funny. So right now I'm looking around trying to find one that is capable at running MW:O, there is a $700 ASUS on new egg(can't find link right now, left it on computer), another search I just ran pulled up an $750 HP pro book that looks promising, keeping the budget under $800. Now, I'm no computer expert, I have only ever had this one laptop(except for my Eee pc, but that doesn't count really), so I'm not certain on how much of what I'm going to need. The book runs an AMD radeon 6520g graphics card, AMD Quad-Core A6-3410MX 1.6GHz CPU, 4 gb of memory, though it does use windows 64 bit professional, I'm not sure if that will mess with anything, I remember people having some issues with either 64 or 32 on other games. Now I'm not looking to run at maximum settings, I just want to make sure I can get something that is capable of running it smoothly at medium graphics at reasonable framerate. Any help would be appreciated.

REVISION!!

Originally I intended to hold my ground and just get a laptop to replace my old one, but given further consideration I'm just going to bite the bullet and go for he desktop. I'm still intending to hold my price point in the $800 dollar range for the build, but any bit of savings I can get I will take. I've got my nice little founders package with my shiny grey catapult that I need to get ready for(buying into a game that your unable to play is a lulsy proposition). I've actually got a new job with better hours and pay so I should hit the mark shortly to start the buying, I've got a couple of parts lists from friends, but I like hitting all the bases before heading home.

So the goal now: running the game at medium high graphics, higher fps(30+), moderate amount of memory(no need for more than 200 gigs ATM), looking at plain black box kind of tower, and an upper limit of $800 the farthe under budget the better.

Any help I can get is appreciated.

Edited by RollinThunter, 29 June 2012 - 12:39 PM.


#2 Brose

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 06:31 AM

Why not get a desktop? You can get a lot more bang for the buck as far as performance goes.

#3 r1oh7

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 06:41 AM

As horrible and difficult as this sounds, I'd say wait awhile, the crytek 2 engine is supposed to use less resources then the original, but MWO is heavily customized (or atleast looks like it is) so the specs required may of gone up a considerable amount..

Either way, rule of thumb for gaming, look for something with a DEDICATED graphcis card, and 64 bit is a good thing for newer games, as it allows for more ram (oh and get something with DDR3 ram)

I highly recommend you wait for an official announcement on hardware requirements if you're trying to find a cheapish laptop, otherwise you may be stuck with something that's just shy of what is needed

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 06:48 AM

eh, 1.6ghz cpu. Even though it's a quad, I think it'll be a problem being that slow of a clock speed. I'd take this Toshiba over what you are looking at.

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16834214888

It has a hyperthreaded dual core(acts like a quad core), that is alot faster than the HP has. For the 1600*900 resolution it runs, I'd bet the HD3000 graphics is good enough for atleast half and half med/high settings. It also has a 17" screen compared to the HP's 14" screen. It has a larger HD(640gb compared to 500gb), twice the RAM(8gigs compared to 4gigs), and is about $65 less expensive. No brainer to me.

Edited by Barbaric Soul, 10 June 2012 - 06:54 AM.


#5 RollinThunter

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 06:57 AM

Brose, I would have asked about a desktop had I wanted one, but I don't have much desks pace and I prefer to be able to move it wherever I want it.

R1oh7, I probably won't be buying the laptop for another month, I have to build the funds up(3 more paychecks worth of surplus). As far as being just short of capable, I'm not looking to "just barely run it on the lowest settings at 5fps", so I'm shooting for more than the minimum, which should be a much easier target to hit. Running things at the minimum is what I have now, I'm playing world of tanks at 2-12fps at the lowest setting possible WITH graphical reduction mods, I dont want to do this again so I'm shooting a good bit higher.

Thats a good catch there soul, the one I posted was just what I found in a surface level search, I hold no great emotional ties to any one brand I any one look, and if a dual core and better MHz will get me more of what I need, that makes me happy. So that toshiba easily occupies the "most likely buy" spot at the moment.

Edited by RollinThunter, 10 June 2012 - 07:05 AM.


#6 infinite xaer0

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 07:06 AM

the radeon 6520g isn't even sufficient for playing Crysis 2 on low. I've been looking at laptops for the past month, and I'll tell you this: if you want something to game on, be prepared to spend over $1000.. or even $1500+ for running **** on max settings. If you're on a budget, a desktop will be a better, cheaper investment, for more power nonetheless

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 07:23 AM

View PostRollinThunter, on 10 June 2012 - 06:57 AM, said:

R1oh7, I probably won't be buying the laptop for another month, I have to build the funds up(3 more paychecks worth of surplus). As far as being just short of capable, I'm not looking to "just barely run it on the lowest settings at 5fps", so I'm shooting for more than the minimum, which should be a much easier target to hit. Running things at the minimum is what I have now, I'm playing world of tanks at 2-12fps at the lowest setting possible WITH graphical reduction mods, I dont want to do this again so I'm shooting a good bit higher.


Good gawd you're a hardcore gamer lol

Ok well you've got the gist of what you'll need and you seem very capable at finding good deals ^_^ Search the forum for similar questions in a month, there are bound to be other people asking the same question when they release exact specs, good luck!

*edit* soz just realized I didn't answer your initial question properly, the 32/64 bit problem people had with games is because they were usually so old, the games themselves didn't have support for 64 bit (just to keep it simple, there are other possible factors but age was usually the reason) a brand new game like MWO will not have that problem, and it'd infact run better on 64 bit

Edited by r1oh7, 10 June 2012 - 07:26 AM.


#8 Ignys

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 07:38 AM

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16834246327

This is more bang for your buck in both dedicated GPU and CPU.

#9 Vulpesveritas

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 07:59 AM

As much as people here are going nuts on misconceptions, let me clarify a few things.
1. Llano's integrated GPU is as powerful as a low-middle end dedicated gpu, and can run any game out there at minimum settings,
2. A quad core processor will do fine so long as it's faster than 1.5ghz, cryengine 3 is strongly threaded.
3. My laptop with integrated radeon hd 4250 and a phenom ii x4 at 2 ghz can play crysis 2 at minimum settings.
4. You're best of waiting for the Trinity A-10's to come out in a couple of weeks, the GPU is looking to be about as fast as a radeon hd 6750 on the GPU side, clock up to 2.6ghz as a quad core, and will be 5% faster clock for clock.
5. Even a current llano A8's integrated graphics are faster than a geforce gtx 630m, though somewhat slower than a 640.
6. Dual graphics llano laptops are the fastest sub $750 laptops out there until Trinity laptops come out here in a few weeks.

#10 Ignys

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 08:05 AM

Good call Vulpesveritas. I totally forgot about the llano cpu's. I was looking at them when I was building a budget desktop, I didn't know they made them for lappies. I guess I'm just a intel fan boy.

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 08:06 AM

I'd hold off and wait for them to release real hard system specs before buying a new comp of any kind.

#12 RollinThunter

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 08:37 AM

View PostVulpesveritas, on 10 June 2012 - 07:59 AM, said:

As much as people here are going nuts on misconceptions, let me clarify a few things.
1. Llano's integrated GPU is as powerful as a low-middle end dedicated gpu, and can run any game out there at minimum settings,
2. A quad core processor will do fine so long as it's faster than 1.5ghz, cryengine 3 is strongly threaded.
3. My laptop with integrated radeon hd 4250 and a phenom ii x4 at 2 ghz can play crysis 2 at minimum settings.
4. You're best of waiting for the Trinity A-10's to come out in a couple of weeks, the GPU is looking to be about as fast as a radeon hd 6750 on the GPU side, clock up to 2.6ghz as a quad core, and will be 5% faster clock for clock.
5. Even a current llano A8's integrated graphics are faster than a geforce gtx 630m, though somewhat slower than a 640.
6. Dual graphics llano laptops are the fastest sub $750 laptops out there until Trinity laptops come out here in a few weeks.


I'll prefase my next sttrments with this: I have no clue what any of this means <_<

But, I'm a physics major, I have a liscence to learn anything(I mainly do metal work and things like that). The hardware side of this, all of the different gpu, cpu, graphics cards and GHz, I have no clue on the differences, but I'm fairly certain that most o the high end stuff is running outside my price range, and buying the notebook and THEN upgrading it with all the higher end tech is a little out of my budget at the moment, though possible in the future. So focusing in on stock notebooks, llenivo is the better quality books at the low end of the pricing spectrum, but this trinity company I havn't heard of before, is this some new startup company or just a new line I products from an existing manufacturer? And what is looking to set these apart from what is currently on the market?

#13 CynicalCyanide

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 08:42 AM

View PostRollinThunter, on 10 June 2012 - 08:37 AM, said:

I'll prefase my next sttrments with this: I have no clue what any of this means <_<

But, I'm a physics major, I have a liscence to learn anything(I mainly do metal work and things like that). The hardware side of this, all of the different gpu, cpu, graphics cards and GHz, I have no clue on the differences, but I'm fairly certain that most o the high end stuff is running outside my price range, and buying the notebook and THEN upgrading it with all the higher end tech is a little out of my budget at the moment, though possible in the future. So focusing in on stock notebooks, llenivo is the better quality books at the low end of the pricing spectrum, but this trinity company I havn't heard of before, is this some new startup company or just a new line I products from an existing manufacturer? And what is looking to set these apart from what is currently on the market?


Yeah. You generally can't upgrade a notebook so easily (Hard drive / RAM usually the exception). To be honest, its not worth your time learning the minute of the many different pieces of hardware out there. Googling for benchmarks is usually the quickest way to go. (Or, even better, check out my link below.)

Trinity is the name of an upcoming AMD CPU/integrated GPU (They call it an APU) chip. It looks fairly impressive, but waiting for availability & their price to come down after launch might not be worth the hassle.


For the benefit of anyone else in a similar situation, i'll add my 2c.

If you already know your budget, and you know your budget will be the same come launch, then you may as well buy, and enjoy an upgrade now - There will ALWAYS be something just over the horizon to hold off for, so you may as well not bother waiting at all.

I present to you, the holy grail of laptop hardware: http://www.notebookc...List.844.0.html

Search for the hardware you're looking at on that site, and you'll quickly find out what it can do for you.

When it comes to RAM, 4g should be more than enough to run Win7 & MWO, with some ram to spare. However, if like me, you like to have all sorts of stuff running in the background, do video or photo editing, or use VMs, then extra RAM is usually well worth it, as its quite cheap at the moment. As for 64/32 bit - While it is true that especially in the past, 64bit has been more trouble prone than 32bit, the performance advantage on modern games is quite decent. These days the problems are mostly gone anyway.

Lastly, i just wanted to bust some misconceptions. First of all, hyperthreading does not double the usefulness of any CPU. In fact, in some situations, it reduces performance, and battery life. Hyperthreading involves one CPU core that has a few (often used) components duplicated per core. This allows it to 'present' itself as two cores, which runs two threads (think lines of work to be done). If these two threads include work that can be divided into those doubled up components of the CPU, performance increases (~40% in ideal cases). If not, then performance suffers. For example, sometimes two threads are assigned to the same physical core rather than two separate cores.

Also: While AMD's dual graphics system is indeed impressive value on most games, MWO so far does not support combined graphics setups, whether they be SLI or Xfire (Including the notebook Xfire). I would advise against buying such a notebook until you've seen benchmarks for this particular game that shows that it does indeed work well.

Edited by iron wolf, 10 June 2012 - 08:44 AM.


#14 Vulpesveritas

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 09:47 AM

Just a quick note, AMD has already said A10 Trinity processor powered laptops are expected to have a release price of $600-700.

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#15 Cerlin

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 09:55 AM

Ok well as a gamer who has moved a lot in the last 4 years (including abroad to Asia) I am someone for whom a desktop is NOT an option. With the ammount I move it is impossible.

I currently have two laptops, one is a x17 alienware that is about 3-4 years old now. It has SLI cards, 4 gigs of ram, and a decent processor. IT runs most modern games well (including MWLL) though it is slowing down a bit. I recently got ANOTHER alienware laptop (the x11) and while the screen rez is small it has a nvidia 500's graphics card, i7 quad chip, and 8 gigs of ram. I got it for slightly more than 1000 dollars and it has been worth it so far. If you are on a budget i would say go for the alienware x14, the screen is bigger, its somewhat moble, and cheaper than the 11 inch. The most important element for a gaming laptop is COOLING! The stats are secondary to be honest. If you have an awesome gaming laptop with terrible chassis design it WILL CRASH ALL THE TIME. This is why i switched to alienware, they have a very well designed chassis collant which means my laptop does not crash often.

Hope this was helpful.

Edited by Cerlin, 10 June 2012 - 09:56 AM.


#16 Odins Fist

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 09:57 AM

What exactly are the requirements for MWO (BETA) at this point..?? I should probably ask in another thread, but this might help him with his laptop choice... Just make sure you get a cool-pad, summer is here..!! LOL

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 10:15 AM

Based on a NDA leak I read a Radeon HD 6670 runs the game on. medium -lowish settings at 1080p.

#18 Gremlich Johns

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 12:17 PM

Sager Laptops

#19 CynicalCyanide

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 01:04 PM

Sager? You might want to take a look at their site before recommending them to OP (Or anyone that's not loaded in general) - Their cheapest laptop starts at $750 and that doesn't even come with a discrete GPU. They're a company who make custom laptop builds, and you pay a premium for that ... But at a low pricepoint, your only real option is to go with mainstream mass manufacturers.

Same goes for Alienware - You're paying a (usually large) premium for a 'gaming' branded product. Sure, their laptops probably have the same grunt for the same price as most regular laptops, but are probably 2/3rds the screen size, and i hear their smaller laptops are underclocked for thermal reasons too. Personally, I'm a fan of Acer laptops - While their build quality is certainly questionable, their price / performance is usually outstanding. But of course, don't go just by my endorsement, the best choice almost always depends on what deals you can get at the time.

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 01:05 PM

All I can say is... http://www.bto.eu got my laptop from them, here are the specs:


OS Version: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium
System RAM: 16361 MB (16 GB)
CPU Name: Intel® Core™ i7-2630QM CPU @ 2.00GHz
CPU Speeds: 2001
Physical CPUs: 1
Virtual CPUs: 8
Video Card Description: AMD Radeon HD 6990M
VRAM: 2048 MB
Primary Display Resolution: 1920x1080
Multi-Monitor Desktop Resolution: 1920x1080
Windows Experience Index Rating: 5.9 --> HDD speed. the rest is all above 7.5

Price: € 1600,- (yes Euro's... don't know in $$$$$)
Good luck with finding a good laptop :P

Edited by Y U No Sanity, 10 June 2012 - 01:10 PM.






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