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[Brilig]

I think we should all play in the same queue. Though I would like to see a good set of single player training missions, and an ultra low ELO bracket for new players.

People should be playing for fun, and playing to win. Right now there is an issue with some builds being so "optimal" that there is almost no point in bringing anything else. Which really isn't fun for a lot of people, and I think that is where most of the frustration is coming from. It kills a lot of the fun if you have all those mechs/variants, but only a handful are really worth bringing. It's even worse when out of all the weapons we have only a handful are worth bringing.

When PGI addresses the current issues with the games mechanics(Convergence/heat) there will still be "optimal builds." There will always be an "optimal" mech/variant/build for a role in a specific strategy. Hopefully they can balance things to a point where "optimal" doesn't mean completely outclass everything else.

That being said. No matter how well balanced the game is you should never expect to be able to throw any old combination of weapons on any old mech, and have it work out for you in every situation.

[Takony]

I support the PVP and the Let's troll fairy queens with 7 PPC Battlemasters queue dichotomy. Or just Elo brackets plus ranked/unranked modes/matches. Time/place for every mindset.

[Novakaine]

PEEFsmash, on 09 July 2013 - 06:28 PM, said:

"I hate boaters! I hate min/maxers! I hate capping! I hate those CHEESE BUILDS! I hate elitist pros! I hate dying to people who shoot me! And for God's sake I don't want the game balanced for competitive players!"
- Average Forumgoer

Let's make a que for you. The que can be called "Casual Players Que" or "Play for Fun, Not to Win Que." You can all gather there, and use suboptimal builds, never cap, blah blah blah.

Meanwhile, everyone else can go into the "Playing to Win Que" where our intent is to satisfy the win conditions clearly stated at the beginning of the game. We will make it our job to destroy the enemy mechs or capture the enemy base. We will utilize our mechlabs to the best of our ability, and we will enter the battlefield with those mechs that we think will satisfy the win conditions, not mechs with crap loadouts that were piloted by some fantasy character from a 30 year old book. Best part? The people in this que won't seemingly be INCREDIBLY SURPRISED after every match that a bunch of people used good builds. No, good builds will be expected, because this que is for satisfying win conditions.

I make this suggestion seriously. If you hate boaters/min maxers/competitive "elitist" worshipers of the Mighty Church of Skill, you really shouldn't be playing in the same que as players who wish to go onto the battlefield and satisfy win conditions. You must be playing by some series of rules that is unbeknownst to me and others who play to win. I must have missed the rule, "Come on don't ONLY use good weapons!" or the "Don't use your hardpoints to their MAXIMAL utility!" rule. Someone point me to what seems to be a favorite rule around here, "Don't equip weapons that are OPTIMAL for playing your role! Throw in some other stuff too!" Or this one, "Use mechs that are FUN for ME to play against!"

Players playing under these above rules and other unspoken, unwritten (aka nonexistant) rules really shouldn't be forced to play under the simple and not-restrictive-enough ruleset of "Destroy Enemy Mechs or Capture Enemy Base." People who play only to satisfy ONLY those two win conditions should be separated from people with a more clever eye for an invisible set of rules that the "elitist competitive tryhards" fail to see on the loading screen.

Might I suggest Angry Birds then my friend, no elitist there just you and finger.
I'm sure you'll have some snappy retort, but the game is based on Battletech genre.
Get with the game or git out.

Edited by Novakaine, 10 July 2013 - 05:07 AM.

[Lugh]

You forgot the option to state "I want a fairy princess queue where everyone wins even the losers"

[3rdworld]

will there be:

"I am drunk, and want to play a spider so don't put me against peefsmash" queue?

[Acid Phase]

This thread is laughable. The "Play to win" crowd is mostly about a bunch of angry nerdy "elitists" with high egos parading in these forums measuring their pieces. "My unit is undefeated" "Let's scrim" "My ELO is high" No thanks. You Urkels are annoying in real life as I can tell from your name & shame pictures.

I'll stay with the "Play for fun" crowd. Stock only mode would suit me, where I measure my skill based upon how I handle the mech with it's uncostumizable loadout.

[Jonny Taco]

This is easily the worst suggestion I've seen on these boards to date.

What did I learn here? I learned than an IQ test prior to making a forum account is probably needed...

[Novakaine]

Acid Phase, on 10 July 2013 - 05:55 AM, said:

This thread is laughable. The "Play to win" crowd is mostly about a bunch of angry nerdy "elitists" with high egos parading in these forums measuring their pieces. "My unit is undefeated" "Let's scrim" "My ELO is high" No thanks. You Urkels are annoying in real life as I can tell from your name & shame pictures.

I'll stay with the "Play for fun" crowd. Stock only mode would suit me, where I measure my skill based upon how I handle the mech with it's uncostumizable loadout.

Urkels vs Yokels.
Go play COD.

[PanzerMagier]

There should be a tick box next to the launch button saying "douche mode".
You can then queue with all the quad ppc boats and whoever else likes using broken mechanics like a crutch to win.

I don't have a problem with cheese builds or players who play them. But players who "practice" "competitively" as in premade meta broken mechs in pub games over and over over and over should only play against other people who also play games is if it's not supposed to be fun.

There's a difference between playing competitively and playing to be a complete douchecanoe. Cheese mechs won't always be there, this game will achieve some semblance of balance (I hope) so that eventually, forming an 8 man team and being able to win relies almost solely on skill, not because of broken balance.

[Divine Madcat]

How about a separate queue (not a Spanish "WHAT") for those who want to play to win, without being forced to use only one type of chassis and one type of weapon? Or is it to be uber leet, we must fit YOUR definition of competitive, and forget that the game is supposed to have tactics and roles to fill (instead of being a stalker pocket fest.....)

[Volthorne]

Anyone miss the days when games were played for the fun/challenge and not some number you could beat other people over the head with?

Edited by Volthorne, 10 July 2013 - 09:36 AM.

[Kraven Kor]

What we want is more than 3 or 4 viable options in "competitive" play.

A Large Laser + LRM's build should not be auto-fail in 8v8.

A 6x PPC Stalker should not be one-shotting mechs.

An AC/40 Jaeger should be able to be taken down by a comparable pilot running 3x AC/5's and a Large Laser.

We just want more variety in which builds actually work. To be honest, balance isn't all that bad, beyond the PPC meta.

[Screech]

I would rather just have a solo queue, but we can't have that because the game would dry up and die.

[Ph30nix]

as long as i dont have to ever play against an 8 man or 2 4 man groups then im fine.

[AntiCitizenJuan]

I want a tryhard queue, but it has to play Joe Esposito's "You're the Best Around" on repeat for everyone playing it

[Sybreed]

this game simply needs a stock mech mode

[kesuga7]

Acid Phase, on 10 July 2013 - 05:55 AM, said:

I'll stay with the "Play for fun" crowd. Stock only mode would suit me, where I measure my skill based upon how I handle the mech with it's uncostumizable loadout.

i honestly think that would truly test a 'competitive' player (im not trying to offend anyone tho)
by testing their mech piloting and not the strength of a 'meta' build

anyway that would be great fun too ;p
play to win or play for fun


Yea like others have said stock mode would be great

Edited by kesuga7, 10 July 2013 - 10:21 AM.

[TOGSolid]

I thought the casual queue was the 3rd person mixed queue?

[kesuga7]

TOGSolid, on 10 July 2013 - 10:21 AM, said:

I thought the casual queue was the 3rd person mixed queue?

third person stock only queue?

@rev i speak spanish and even i was confused about that whole queue/que thing so i just thought i was wrong about it

alright now im confused even more now that i looked it up

Both seem to be used in the same instances (or they just spelled que wrong)

BUT WHY does this matter

Edited by kesuga7, 10 July 2013 - 10:32 AM.

[InRev]

This thread is driving me crazy: qué (with an accent) means what. Que (without the accent) means that! ARG!

Anyway, this thread amuses me. Winning should be a means to an end: fun. Winning should not be the end, in and of itself. That is an awfully hollow way to play a game. A good game should be fun even if you don't actually win.

If you are playing to win, not playing for fun, you have your priorities borked. The fact that "play for fun" have become a gaming pejorative is just indicative of how ****** up the online gaming community truly is.