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[FupDup]

Take a minute or two to read this new Command Chair post:
http://mwomercs.com/...general-update/

Here is Paul's little table:





Now bask in the hilarity of the fact that 2 PPC + 2 ERPPC Stalkers and 2-1 PPC + 1-2 ERPPC Highlanders are going to come out of this unscathed.
EDIT: Aw, looks like they realized their mistake:

Iason, on 11 July 2013 - 11:10 AM, said:

Garth was streaming with Phil till a few minutes ago and said that, at the beginning, PPC and ERPPC will be seperated, but will later count as the same. So the 2 PPC+ 2ERPPC build will has the same problem as the 4 PPC or 4 ERPPC build.

Guess it's time for 2 ERPPC + Gauss Highlanders/Miseries instead. Stalkers can probably just use a macro or something.

Edited by FupDup, 11 July 2013 - 11:15 AM.

[3rdworld]

Hey guys, instead of addressing that the PPC is superior lets institute an idiotic system that no new player will understand that discourages you from shooting some arbitrary number of certain weapons.

[Redshift2k5]

Or just chainfire

[BladeSplint]

I doubt they'll let that slide. I would assume the stacking penalty applies to any mix of ER and standard PPCs.

[General Taskeen]

Bask in the hilarity of more nerfs for Mechs that use 3-4 PPC's, the Awesomes. Awesome are obviously very OP Mechs and vury scurry.

[The pessimistic optimist]

BladeSplint, on 11 July 2013 - 11:10 AM, said:

I doubt they'll let that slide. I would assume the stacking penalty applies to any mix of ER and standard PPCs.

I hope so or these guys are not so smart.

Edited by SirSmokes, 11 July 2013 - 11:15 AM.

[Roland]

FupDup, on 11 July 2013 - 11:06 AM, said:

Now bask in the hilarity of the fact that 2 PPC + 2 ERPPC Stalkers and 2-1 PPC + 1-2 ERPPC Highlanders are going to come out of this unscathed.

What's absurd about this is that those builds you describe there were instantly obvious basically every single person who plays this game with any degree of competence at all.

On some level, I have to assume that Paul recognized them, and has some kind of underlying (undescribed) mechanism that will prevent those things... but honestly, I no longer really have faith that obviously stupid crap isn't going to get put in the game. I had faith at one point, but damn, it's wearing pretty thin these days.

[mike29tw]

FupDup, on 11 July 2013 - 11:06 AM, said:

Take a minute or two to read this new Command Chair post:
http://mwomercs.com/...general-update/

Here is Paul's little table:





Now bask in the hilarity of the fact that 2 PPC + 2 ERPPC Stalkers and 2-1 PPC + 1-2 ERPPC Highlanders are going to come out of this unscathed.
EDIT: Aw, looks like they realized their mistake:


Guess it's time for 2 ERPPC + Gauss Highlanders/Miseries instead. Stalkers can probably just use a macro or something.

Well, 2 ERPPCs + Gauss wasn't that strong to begin with. Now all we need is to buff SRMs......

Still, it's a silly solution. Should've just nerfed PPC's heat.

[CasualCat2001]

General Taskeen, on 11 July 2013 - 11:14 AM, said:

Bask in the hilarity of more nerfs for Mechs that use 3-4 PPC's, the Awesomes. Awesome are obviously very OP Mechs and vury scurry.

If they're going this route it really should have had chassis exceptions since as you mention the Awesome is supposed to have 3 PPCs and the upcoming King Crab is supposed to have 2 AC/20s.

[The pessimistic optimist]

General Taskeen, on 11 July 2013 - 11:14 AM, said:

Bask in the hilarity of more nerfs for Mechs that use 3-4 PPC's, the Awesomes. Awesome are obviously very OP Mechs and vury scurry.

There should be quarks for mechs with stock weapon loads to not suffer penalties.

Edited by SirSmokes, 11 July 2013 - 11:19 AM.

[armyof1]

SRM4 and SMR6 combined also need a heat penalty I reckon, otherwise we'll never see SRMs damage increased to usefulness when not boated since the A1 would do too much alpha damage when boating them.

It's pretty strange also to see penalty for LRM15, but not for LRM10? 4-5 LRM10 are pretty strong, since you can even fire more often than LRM15.

Edited by armyof1, 11 July 2013 - 11:25 AM.

[Jonny Taco]

Oh nice, Large lasers were nerfed. I remember lots of people complaining about those....

[FupDup]

Roland, on 11 July 2013 - 11:16 AM, said:

What's absurd about this is that those builds you describe there were instantly obvious basically every single person who plays this game with any degree of competence at all.

On some level, I have to assume that Paul recognized them, and has some kind of underlying (undescribed) mechanism that will prevent those things... but honestly, I no longer really have faith that obviously stupid crap isn't going to get put in the game. I had faith at one point, but damn, it's wearing pretty thin these days.

It turns out that PGI did realize it and I made my thread too early:

Iason, on 11 July 2013 - 11:10 AM, said:

Garth was streaming with Phil till a few minutes ago and said that, at the beginning, PPC and ERPPC will be seperated, but will later count as the same. So the 2 PPC+ 2ERPPC build will has the same problem as the 4 PPC or 4 ERPPC build.

So now it's time for macro Stalkers and 2 ERPPC + Gauss Highlanders and Miseries.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

That Hunchback 4P really needed the nerf, i mean..it was so overpowering after all.

[Lugh]

Roland, on 11 July 2013 - 11:16 AM, said:

What's absurd about this is that those builds you describe there were instantly obvious basically every single person who plays this game with any degree of competence at all.

On some level, I have to assume that Paul recognized them, and has some kind of underlying (undescribed) mechanism that will prevent those things... but honestly, I no longer really have faith that obviously stupid crap isn't going to get put in the game. I had faith at one point, but damn, it's wearing pretty thin these days.

My faith is gone. But my love of Battletech remains...

I'm Agnostic!

[armyof1]

CasualCat2001, on 11 July 2013 - 11:17 AM, said:

If they're going this route it really should have had chassis exceptions since as you mention the Awesome is supposed to have 3 PPCs and the upcoming King Crab is supposed to have 2 AC/20s.

While they're supposed to have them, I don't think they're supposed to fire them all at once? I recognize the Awesome could need a buff, but the problem lies more in hitboxes than anything else.

[Acid Phase]

Question is now though, do we all really want to buff SRMs enough to make Splatcats insta-destroyers again? Or should we vote to leave it as is?

[3rdworld]

Roland, on 11 July 2013 - 11:16 AM, said:

What's absurd about this is that those builds you describe there were instantly obvious basically every single person who plays this game with any degree of competence at all.

On some level, I have to assume that Paul recognized them, and has some kind of underlying (undescribed) mechanism that will prevent those things... but honestly, I no longer really have faith that obviously stupid crap isn't going to get put in the game. I had faith at one point, but damn, it's wearing pretty thin these days.

Roland being critical of PGI.

I think my snow-cone in hell is ready.

[FupDup]

Acid Phase, on 11 July 2013 - 11:20 AM, said:

Question is now though, do we all really want to buff SRMs enough to make Splatcats insta-destroyers again? Or should we vote to leave it as is?

Jagerbombs are more versatile than Splatapults anyways due to longer range. I'd actually enjoy watching a duel between a post-buff Splatcat versus a current Jagerbomb (without the heat nerf).

[Acid Phase]

FupDup, on 11 July 2013 - 11:21 AM, said:

I'd actually enjoy watching a duel between a post-buff Splatcat versus a current Jagerbomb (without the heat nerf).

Ha....I'm giddy with anticipation for it.