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[Ph30nix]

because every single game i have been in lately those little buggers seem to not get hit by just about everything.

Just finished a game i took a shot at a perfectly standing still spider (he got caught on a pebble saddly thats not even a joke) lined up with his CT with 2 er ppcs from about 400 meters and the shots went right thru him.... again not kidding nor exagerating.

Even though spiders have the lowest armor i swear they are the most survivable of all the lights itt seems......

but this isnt a QQ just a observation im sure it was proably a lag issue or some other game mechanic quirk.


It does give a nice fear for any possible convergance changes. think about how would you hit a light thats fairly close to you?

[von Pilsner]

Used to be that way with the Raven 3L, hopefully they can fix the hit registration (or whatever the issue is).

[Tennex]

no problems with the spider in particular.

what really ****** me off is when i'm standing 60m away from a cataphract, and i shoot him dead in the center torso, and no damage is registered.

[Thumper3]

Couple nights ago I was in a PUG game, last man left in my 5D, danced around two Atlases, a highlander and a Catapault.......took the Catapault down and had the Highlander glowing before one of the Atlases got a lucky spread of SRMs on me.

I still smile imagining the curses from the Cat pilot as he went down surrounded by assault mechs, his last view of a Spider floating across the screen 20m up......... Spiders are amazing little machines.

I don't always pilot lights.....but when I do, it's usually a Spider. LOL

Edited by Thumper3, 11 July 2013 - 07:00 PM.

[BillyM]

Completely unbalanced. Fix the spider hitboxes please.

...and if you can, please actually test new lights before putting them in for once?

--billyM

[Hyperlynx]

They're bugged. Pure and simple. It's not just spiders but most lights, and I'm reasonably sure it's due to the state unwinding rather than hitboxes. That said, I have fired at stationary spiders, or ones moving towards or away from me, seen the weapons impact and seen the mech glow, but not seen the crosshair turn red or see any damage on the mech display so.... I don't know.

[Training Instructor]

Funny how they were a useless, rarely seen mech for months, and now that their hitboxes and hit registration are bugged, I see one or two per team almost every match.

I mastered my three months ago, back when people said it was stupid to use them.

[Valore]

Training Instructor, on 12 July 2013 - 01:04 AM, said:

I mastered my three months ago, back when people said it was stupid to use them.

They weren't far from wrong though

[Appogee]

Spiders are awesomely useful in team matches, if played well.

ECM Spiders give me the ****s, but they are a legitimate build and I am not complaining.

[Ralgas]

They have acknowledged hit detection is still screwy, in particular for lights. don't think the srm buff inc will fix it

[Kitane]

I don't think Spider chassis is bugged. It's just a MWO's canary who signals problems with underlying net code and hit registration.

[Wolf Ender]

I will be the first to admit that I struggle to hit spiders. They are squirrely, indeed. But nothing makes me rage harder than hitting him perfectly with 3 alphas and he's still just strolling along without a care in the world.

[Der Hesse]

I made a post about this months ago.

For me its abolutely not the same with other lights. Sure, they are hard to hit from time to time and they profit from the current hitregistration bug, nut they are a lot easier to kill then Spiders.
If you think that this is only my percetion then ask yourself why you see an incresing amount of Spiders in the game and a decreasing amount of other lights.

Since i see These Problems for Months now, it cant be something new and cant be related to those new bug alone.

I cant count the games anymore where last man standing on enemys team is a Spider and the whole surviving team hunts it. And im talking about a Spider jumping in between them and fighting, not the smart runnaway Spider.

If you say thats a Problem with all lights i say: "Try that in your Commando or Jenner!"

[DarkDevilDancer]

My spider is called jessica.

[Ragnar Darkmane]

Der Hesse, on 12 July 2013 - 01:54 AM, said:

If you think that this is only my percetion then ask yourself why you see an incresing amount of Spiders in the game and a decreasing amount of other lights.

I cant count the games anymore where last man standing on enemys team is a Spider and the whole surviving team hunts it. And im talking about a Spider jumping in between them and fighting, not the smart runnaway Spider.

If you say thats a Problem with all lights i say: "Try that in your Commando or Jenner!"

It's definitely true. Spiders were almost dead 2 months ago and now they make up 50-60% of Lights. Had laughable matches like the one where a single spider was running around and absorbing the firepower of a whole team (6 (!) surviving Assaults/Heavies), getting hit by PPCs multiple times and even eating a whole 40 LRM salvo with Artemis while being TAGed by the LRM boat Stalker of mine. It took us 2 minutes to take out that bloody Spider playing hit and run the whole time.

Edited by Ragnar Darkmane, 12 July 2013 - 02:14 AM.

[Blood Rose]

Spiders are terrible. I live in fear of the 2 MG 1 Mlaser Spider-that ****** is the sole bain of me and my K2. Or the ECM spider when im running my missile boatet HBK 4SP. And for some reason i swear that they always pick on me first......

[Hyperlynx]

Kitane, on 12 July 2013 - 01:43 AM, said:

I don't think Spider chassis is bugged. It's just a MWO's canary who signals problems with underlying net code and hit registration.

I thought this too, and half way through my post realised it can't be the case because I've shot spiders that were not moving or were moving in such a way that the shot would hit them regardless, and it did no damage.

[DarkDevilDancer]

I've been running my spider all morning and i'm killing 1 or more mechs most matches.

Spiders need a good pilot to shine, their severely limited dakka means you need to get used to strafing runs wearing an enemy down over time instead of with high alphas.

[Skyfaller]

BillyM, on 11 July 2013 - 07:15 PM, said:

Completely unbalanced. Fix the spider hitboxes please.

...and if you can, please actually test new lights before putting them in for once?

--billyM

The spider has no problems GETTING hit. It does have a problem with damage registration.

For example: I'm in my spider 5D with an LL and a med laser equipped, chasing ANOTHER spider 5D. Its a straight run and this spider has not seen me.. so I have a perfect shot into his rear CT.

I fire.

His rear CT lights up...and so does his front CT.

In controlled tests in live (last 2 mechs standing, one being my undamaged spider the other being a larger mech) I've had someone shoot my static (standing still) spider with a single AC5 in my rear CT. I set my rear CT to exactly 5 pnts. One shot should've taken the armor off right?

It did not. The hit registers in the rear but the front and rear armor blink...the rear armor ends in red, the front in yellow.

So there is some sort of glitch that is passing damage to both front and rear and it somehow is 'sharing' the armor points between the two.

The RT/LT have the same problem.


That being said, the spider has no problem with hits registering as a HIT (its just where the armor is deducted from thats the problem). Many people shoot a spider and assume it hit it... but you need to remember host rewind and latency can make you see that you hit the spider with most of the laser beam duration but in reality you did not. You may see your multiple- ballistic/ppc shot hit but in reality, because the spider is so small and fast, only one of the 3~4 ppcs you fired hit it. Aka shoot a spider on its side (arm & shoulder facing you as it travels laterally) and your four balls of lightning streak to meet the spider... only the bottom leftmost ppc blast hits the top shoulder of the spider, the top leftmost ppc blast flies above the head of the spider and the other 2 missed by a fraction and flew past just behind the spider. The convergence on this game is set to be PERFECT convergence only AT the range the aimpoint was pointing at.. so if you lead a spider the convergence will be set to something maybe 1km behind it..the shots dont converge at the spider's range.

OTH, the reason why spiders die in one shot a lot of times is when they are running to or away from the attacker.. convergence at that point is set within ~150m of where the ppc was clicked to fire and the ppc travels very fast so it slams in one spot and obliterates the spider.

Edited by Skyfaller, 12 July 2013 - 05:44 AM.

[Der BruzZzler von Wiesndoof]

Training Instructor, on 12 July 2013 - 01:04 AM, said:

Funny how they were a useless, rarely seen mech for months, and now that their hitboxes and hit registration are bugged, I see one or two per team almost every match.

I mastered my three months ago, back when people said it was stupid to use them.

^^ THIS!
Since release of the Spider, i'm piloting these tiny Things and i'm very happy with it . I love them all. Even the hated 5V Jumper, which is even my favorite! On masterlevel with lots of modules, BAP and lots of JJ's, you can have some fun with it. I remember the old posts about it: "Spiders are useless, worthless, stupid, ridiculous etc" And now, it's an unbalanced overpowered and unbeatable ÜberMech? Cmon guys!