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[CeeKay Boques]

Wait til you find out the Clans get Paladins, and IS only get Shamans. Man are panties gonna be wadded.

[Ralgas]

Victor Morson, on 11 July 2013 - 10:36 PM, said:

I think some people are considering a break from more than just posting at this point.

Every single person that's heard about this has sighed and wondered what is wrong with PGI. I really am just about done caring in general and just accept the fact this game won't survive another year if they keep going like this. Spend your PP bonus time quickly, my friends.

You're right, the change that will go in on the 16th won't do much at all, but to write the system off as useless? Yeah, whatever........ you try and adjust it to be more robust and no-one bothers to even look at it, or counterpoint. Pgi's idea, it can't work!!

Instead they bang on about rebuilding the system cart before the horse as explained (hud rework is scheduled after launch and ui2.0 noted several times here)

[Unbound Inferno]

Technoviking, on 11 July 2013 - 10:52 PM, said:

Wait til you find out the Clans get Paladins, and IS only get Shamans. Man are panties gonna be wadded.

What Shamans? We get witch doctors from war-torn 3rd world nations. There's quite a difference between Clans and IS.

Edited by Unbound Inferno, 11 July 2013 - 10:57 PM.

[Monky]

I've got to agree this does little to curb the sniper meta. It just limits it to 35 pt packages until the first mech that can mount 2x Gauss and 2x PPC's shows up.

Fixing the problem involves inaccuracy in some form or another, after a weapon combo with x amount of damage is fired, etc, to prevent all the damage from stacking on one point and encourage staggered fire.

[Unbound Inferno]

I'm surprised nobody's clamoring about the Atlas yet. Every one can do that.

[Victor Morson]

This really is a case where we can't agree on the solution perhaps, but we sure can agree on the problem - being this heat fix.

Notably I have a feeling the majority of people in this thread didn't really take the time to read the original thread, because there are literally dozens of thread pages packed with explanations of why this can't work, from many different angles. It's also why I find their trucking on with it mind blowing.

[Brkojle]

just a short question:
What do you all think, that PGI care about community? They are concern only about community's money. I mean, 20-25 euros for a bunch of pixels form in "Hero" Mech.... roooooofl, I am sorry, but guys, I must say, you are all crazy. You are not helping PGI to make better game, you are helping them in buying their Audi A8's and big by the sea houses.

All new changes are stupid imho, but something must be done with so much PPCing all the time. Game is good, community sucks cause we are the part of game that must be changed. We suck cause we all chase perfect Mech and build in order to kill all, make highest DPS and ****...

[Victor Morson]

You know I wish I included this on the first page but.. LOL to the Awesome now.

It can't even carry 3 PPCs without a penalty, and it can't boat Large Lasers anymore either. Whoever is in charge of balance must be looking at the Awesome and going "Screw you buddy!" every single day.

[Victor Morson]

Kerenskij, on 11 July 2013 - 11:10 PM, said:

I like the new system.

Why? Were Swaybacks overpowering you?

I hope it's not because of those snipers, because this didn't hurt us bad at all.

[Ralgas]

Victor Morson, on 11 July 2013 - 11:04 PM, said:

This really is a case where we can't agree on the solution perhaps, but we sure can agree on the problem - being this heat fix.

Notably I have a feeling the majority of people in this thread didn't really take the time to read the original thread, because there are literally dozens of thread pages packed with explanations of why this can't work, from many different angles. It's also why I find their trucking on with it mind blowing.

Once again, depends on how the second phase (combined weapons) is implemented...........

Edit: oh and to my mind the swayback is a strawman. OOH!! you actually have to have weapon groups or run a slas/mplas or 3!!

Edited by Ralgas, 11 July 2013 - 11:14 PM.

[Unbound Inferno]

Victor Morson, on 11 July 2013 - 11:06 PM, said:

You know I wish I included this on the first page but.. LOL to the Awesome now.

It can't even carry 3 PPCs without a penalty, and it can't boat Large Lasers anymore either. Whoever is in charge of balance must be looking at the Awesome and going "Screw you buddy!" every single day.

They made mention somewhere a specific "exception" to the hunchback - maybe something liek that for others that come standard?


Seems alot of excess wasted effort to make it work though.

[Archon Adam Steiner]

Ever notice how some game communities, when faced with adversity or changes they don't like, try to be constructive (on the whole)? Games like EVE: Online come to mind.

Ever notice how some communities just want to see things burn?

How about trying to be part of the solution rather than just flinging poop at the wall? "They don't listen!" you say. Too many people say "They don't listen!" when what they mean is "they don't listen to my ideas and do what I want!". I'm pretty sure PGI doesn't want to go broke, and it's obvious from numerous changes in the past year that they do listen. Failure to immediately implement an idea you approve of is not 'proof' that they don't care.

If people want to be cynical, fine, but it does nobody any good whatsoever.

[subgenius]

How many posts are you going to create where you say "literally everyone here agrees with me!!!"?

We don't all agree with you.

You're part of a VERY vocal group that is flooding this forum with hate. Been going on for quite some time too... There have been several people here who disagree with you, yet you just dismiss them out of hand. I understand you're really disappointed, but your opinion (or the post-happy group that keeps making the same thread again and again) isn't driving development. You're just one voice among many, so settle

[Solis Obscuri]

Victor, BREATHE.

[hammerreborn]

Solis Obscuri, on 11 July 2013 - 11:17 PM, said:

Victor, BREATHE.

No don't tell him to do that. Everytime he does he creates a new anti-PGI thread/post

[jakucha]

Just because they won't use your ideas doesn't mean the game is doomed. Stop being so dramatic. Creating many, many threads doesn't make you right.

Victor Morson, on 11 July 2013 - 11:06 PM, said:

You know I wish I included this on the first page but.. LOL to the Awesome now.

It can't even carry 3 PPCs without a penalty, and it can't boat Large Lasers anymore either. Whoever is in charge of balance must be looking at the Awesome and going "Screw you buddy!" every single day.

Doesn't mean it won't change. Would be a nice way to give the Awesome some sort of quirk advantage seeing as how it's mostly energy.

JudgeDeathCZ, on 11 July 2013 - 10:12 PM, said:

It doesn't impact meta weapons: As stated by everyone, if 3 PPCs is a problem, people go 2 PPC 1 Gauss; if Medium Lasers are a problem they mix in Large. This does nothing for pinpoint alphas.

Isn't it what this change is for?Diversity of weapons.I am kinda bored about 6PPC stalker nad gauss+3PPC HGN.Maybe this will force them to use few more weapons.
Anyway I think it should be better just up heat of PPC/ERPPC where they should be like in TT.

2 ppc plus gauss isn't so bad due to all the downsides of Gauss and the fact that it's slower means you won't get pinpoint damage with the Gauss and PPC at longer ranges. This system won't fix everything and I don't think they're expecting it to, it's just a first step.

Edited by jakucha, 11 July 2013 - 11:27 PM.

[Karl Streiger]

@a group of persons in the community
I have to ask nicely....
is it somehow possible that you can stop - insulting the development team.

I don't have problems with critism - when it is well delivered... but it becomes worse and worser - In this moments i really wish we had the same standards of the official classic battletech forums...

Edited by Karl Streiger, 11 July 2013 - 11:21 PM.

[Ralgas]

hammerreborn, on 11 July 2013 - 11:19 PM, said:

No don't tell him to do that. Everytime he does he creates a new anti-PGI thread/post

an they're all at least a page and a half epic!!!

[Theodor Kling]

Victor Morson, on 11 July 2013 - 10:13 PM, said:

But we might never see another MechWarrior game, in particular since again, I really do expect to see the employees when this falls apart (if we stay on this path) totally saying the IP didn't have the interest, or how the market has changed and not that they flat out refused to listen to or act on any feedback whatsoever.

Assuming MWO fails, which I am neither supporting nor denying, I do indeed fear that this prediction would come true. Although I did not buy one, being against paying for something in early stages of development on principle, the money they made with founders at least suggests that there is a market for a mech sim, or failing that a good mech shooter with sim elements. So I don't realy get why they try to open up the game to other audiences with things like 3PV. Sure, it is a wider market and potentially many ore customers. But it is also a market full of competition, wheras the niche they had in the beginning would have seen them monopolizing that market for the time being.

Arrachtas, on 11 July 2013 - 11:12 PM, said:

Ever notice how some game communities, when faced with adversity or changes they don't like, try to be constructive (on the whole)? Games like EVE: Online come to mind.

Ever notice how some communities just want to see things burn?

How about trying to be part of the solution rather than just flinging poop at the wall? "They don't listen!" you say. Too many people say "They don't listen!" when what they mean is "they don't listen to my ideas and do what I want!". I'm pretty sure PGI doesn't want to go broke, and it's obvious from numerous changes in the past year that they do listen. Failure to immediately implement an idea you approve of is not 'proof' that they don't care.

If people want to be cynical, fine, but it does nobody any good whatsoever.

I think this i related to the way the devs communicate with the players. Or don't. In the beginning this looked like it would be come the BT game many fans would dream of.. but then it moved further and further away from what was outlined in the dev blogs, the answers in ask the devs got more and more evasive, news came slower and slower, and partly because of that, partly because of inpatience of the community the tone got harsher on both sides. And that's hard to stop.

Yes PGI has made some questionable descicions. And rarely explained them.
The "communication" disturbs me the most. I am aware that devs and players can't agree on everything. But some things really unite large pars of the (forum) community. 3rd person is one of them, the alpha nerf is another. Not everyone agrees about solution, and not everyone agrees on the problem even. But large parts of the forum see to do, so something mus be amiss. The is of course the argument of the small vocal minority on an island... but even if you don't agree with them in some points, the mere fact that they care enough about your game to post, sometimes en masse, about things they see as problematic should make the devs listen. Not neccesarily consent with the, but at least read it and think about it. Because those people are potentially ( or sometimes already) your best customers, because they love the game in general, and they love it enough to care.

Edited by Theodor Kling, 11 July 2013 - 11:35 PM.

[Ryankamun II]

Victor Morson, on 11 July 2013 - 10:23 PM, said:

Because it's more than just the fact they are putting in a rock-stupid system that everyone explained why is rock stupid. Way more than that. It's an indicator that they do not care now, nor will they care ever, about what is best for the game and this will continue until, I believe, whoever is in charge of balance is fired or everything comes down.

They've shown that they are less capable at predicting balance situations than many members of their own community, and have failed to heed those warnings every time. This has resulted in a very, very stale situation in-game.

Yet this total view on balance has come with only new maps and mechs, which they've admitted are separate teams. Community Warfare is now pushed back - outside of a few token things - to 2014. What have the guys been responsible for this games problems been doing? Hard at working at adding Artillery Strike beacons that look like they took an afternoon to code and are on par with flamers for usefulness?

I think you are mistaking my criticism as an argument that there are no problems with MWO. It's not. It's an argument that your implementation for feedback is terribly, terribly flawed, crass, and unproductive.

A tip: If you're emotionally invested and upset, don't post things on the internet (or drive, or interact with other people...) Count to ten, and if you're still upset, read a book, play some Minecraft (now free with Windows!), watch some TV, anything mindless to get yourself back into focus.