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[Xasti]

Looking over the hardpoints for Victors and Atlai but I can't seem to see the advantage a Victor has aside from higher max speed and jumpjets. I am a newer player and my only experience with jumpjets has been the trial catapult. So I'm not the best to judge their value on an assault mech. Do the hardpoint locations on the Victor converge better or are set up more optimally? I have no MC so either buy will be with cbills. If it matters, my only two owned mechs presently are two cicadas, 3M and 3C.

[MisterPlanetarian]

The Atlas is a tank mainly, in higher level play it's pretty much only used for ECM cover and high armor HP.

The Victor is a faster option with less armor but much higher speed and mobility. As a result the Victor is more forgiving if you misread the situation and end up in an exposed position as it's easy to get out compared to with an Atlas. On the other hand you can't beat a Stalker or an Atlas in a brawl on even footing as they do more damage or have much more armor than you.

[Finn McShae]

If you're anything like me; the Atlas is just TOOOOOO DAAARRRRNNNN SLLLLLOOOOOOWWWWW. Even with a decent engine it moves and turns like molasses. I don't have any Victors yet (hopefully tonight or tomorrow I'll have the cbill grind done) but if they are anything like Awesomes in twist and turn rates that's about 100,000,000 times better for me. Heck, even Highlanders and Stalkers handle better for me.

Others love Atlas, so to each their own.

[NRP]

I'd it depends on what you want to do. The Victor is faster and more maneuverable, but it isn't going to lead a charge. The Atlas is still the War Boss.

[DarkDevilDancer]

Atlas is far tougher and can hit harder but it's slow, with a 350 engine I get 62kph with speed tweek.

Victor is fast has jj and if played right can pack a decent punch, it's big advantage is that if it looks scary it can make an escape where an atlas can't.

[Devil Fox]

MisterPlanetarian, on 17 July 2013 - 03:17 PM, said:

The Atlas is a tank mainly, in higher level play it's pretty much only used for ECM cover and high armor HP.

The Victor is a faster option with less armor but much higher speed and mobility. As a result the Victor is more forgiving if you misread the situation and end up in an exposed position as it's easy to get out compared to with an Atlas. On the other hand you can't beat a Stalker or an Atlas in a brawl on even footing as they do more damage or have much more armor than you.

I'll defunct the brawling against heavier assaults... the Victor's mobility and speed can trump both machines in a brawl if you play to your strengths. What the Victor offers over the Atlas is a more mobile, agile and faster assault mech that can get at opponents in unexpected ways, such as a quick flank over hills to get behind other assaults. All Victor's are able to be fitted out with some very reasonable load-outs giving them tremendous amounts of firepower for a brawl. The Atlas really only gains the ability to mount a significant amount more armour (particularly on the front), some upgraded weapons (eg. SRM6 instead of the 4's I run on the Victor), and a standard engine to increase durability.

However if you like speed, and agility, can torso twist damage all over yourself (you need XL's to make a Victor work), and use your jumpjets in a brawl to spread enemy damage and get better shots of opportunity. Then the Victor might surprise you, I know it's my command ride (been waiting for it's announcement for over a year!) and has taken my comrades by storm also as it slots into more of a heavy's role but with the armour/punch of the assault class.

[Bishop Steiner]

if you like Slow, lumbering and boring, go with the Atlas.

Properly supported, you are the wedge that splits the enemy force.

If you like fun, challenge and to be a mobile assassin, get s Victor.

Apostal, on 17 July 2013 - 04:05 PM, said:

I'll defunct the brawling against heavier assaults... the Victor's mobility and speed can trump both machines in a brawl if you play to your strengths. What the Victor offers over the Atlas is a more mobile, agile and faster assault mech that can get at opponents in unexpected ways, such as a quick flank over hills to get behind other assaults. All Victor's are able to be fitted out with some very reasonable load-outs giving them tremendous amounts of firepower for a brawl. The Atlas really only gains the ability to mount a significant amount more armour (particularly on the front), some upgraded weapons (eg. SRM6 instead of the 4's I run on the Victor), and a standard engine to increase durability.

However if you like speed, and agility, can torso twist damage all over yourself (you need XL's to make a Victor work), and use your jumpjets in a brawl to spread enemy damage and get better shots of opportunity. Then the Victor might surprise you, I know it's my command ride (been waiting for it's announcement for over a year!) and has taken my comrades by storm also as it slots into more of a heavy's role but with the armour/punch of the assault class.

78 kph and 66 Alpha plus JJs for my VTR. Sounds good to me!

[Devil Fox]

Bishop Steiner, on 17 July 2013 - 04:08 PM, said:

if you like Slow, lumbering and boring, go with the Atlas.

Properly supported, you are the wedge that splits the enemy force.

If you like fun, challenge and to be a mobile assassin, get s Victor.


78 kph and 66 Alpha plus JJs for my VTR. Sounds good to me!

That it is... best part is the enemy assault trying to track you as you jump straight over them! Gold!

[Angel of Annihilation]

Xasti, on 17 July 2013 - 03:05 PM, said:

Looking over the hardpoints for Victors and Atlai but I can't seem to see the advantage a Victor has aside from higher max speed and jumpjets. I am a newer player and my only experience with jumpjets has been the trial catapult. So I'm not the best to judge their value on an assault mech. Do the hardpoint locations on the Victor converge better or are set up more optimally? I have no MC so either buy will be with cbills. If it matters, my only two owned mechs presently are two cicadas, 3M and 3C.

You nailed the difference in your first sentence. The advantage of the Victor is that it is much faster, much more agile and it has Jump Jets for even more added mobility.

Overall, the Atlas will usually beat a Victor one-on-one but the Victor can dance around the battlefield and pick its fights, retreating if required, only to come at the enemy from another angle.

As to which is better, it all depends on what playstyle you like. The Atlas just kind of plods forward firing as he comes where as the Victor is going to be much more dynamic and fluid.

However, because the Victor is much more dynamic and fluid, it is going to have a much higher learning curve than the Altas and learning how to use JJs effectively is going to have to be high on your "to do" list.

[Bishop Steiner]

Viktor Drake, on 17 July 2013 - 04:57 PM, said:

You nailed the difference in your first sentence. The advantage of the Victor is that it is much faster, much more agile and it has Jump Jets for even more added mobility.

Overall, the Atlas will usually beat a Victor one-on-one but the Victor can dance around the battlefield and pick its fights, retreating if required, only to come at the enemy from another angle.

As to which is better, it all depends on what playstyle you like. The Atlas just kind of plods forward firing as he comes where as the Victor is going to be much more dynamic and fluid.

However, because the Victor is much more dynamic and fluid, it is going to have a much higher learning curve than the Altas and learning how to use JJs effectively is going to have to be high on your "to do" list.

Only time I have lost a true one to one to an Atlas was getting a LRMranger with about 1000 meters of open land between us.
Literally every other one I have fought I have hopscotched all over and killed (and sometimes when they have friends, though that is usually when things start to go VERY badly, lol) them. Seeing Atlas and Highlanders backpedaling in panic is pure joy!

[XX Sulla XX]

I have have Atlases and Victors both and all elited. And they are just very different. I think the Victor is more fun probably. But the Atlas is still effective but harder to pilot well I think.

[Bishop Steiner]

XX Sulla XX, on 17 July 2013 - 05:56 PM, said:

I have have Atlases and Victors both and all elited. And they are just very different. I think the Victor is more fun probably. But the Atlas is still effective but harder to pilot well I think.

I dunno if it's harder to pilot well, or just have to have a different mind set. But the Atlas shines as the head of the spear (at least when you can get the pugs to actually stop cowering). The Vic is the flanker of that.

[Angel of Annihilation]

Bishop Steiner, on 17 July 2013 - 05:33 PM, said:

Only time I have lost a true one to one to an Atlas was getting a LRMranger with about 1000 meters of open land between us.
Literally every other one I have fought I have hopscotched all over and killed (and sometimes when they have friends, though that is usually when things start to go VERY badly, lol) them. Seeing Atlas and Highlanders backpedaling in panic is pure joy!

I think you are a little better pilot than me Bishop though it could be out loadouts that differ. I personally seem to have trouble with the Altas in my Victor though ironically I can usually beat them in my Quickdraw go figure hehe. I think maybe when I get all my Elites unlocked then maybe the added mobiliy might put me over the edge on beating them.

[XX Sulla XX]

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I dunno if it's harder to pilot well, or just have to have a different mind set. But the Atlas shines as the head of the spear (at least when you can get the pugs to actually stop cowering). The Vic is the flanker of that.

Well I just mean if your in a Victor and make a mistake you can get out of trouble many times. In an Atlas if you go in at the wrong time thats it your commited. So you just have to be more careful.

[XX Sulla XX]

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I think you are a little better pilot than me Bishop though it could be out loadouts that differ. I personally seem to have trouble with the Altas in my Victor though ironically I can usually beat them in my Quickdraw go figure hehe. I think maybe when I get all my Elites unlocked then maybe the added mobiliy might put me over the edge on beating them.

I bet it is your Elites. They help a lot on the Victors. I do not have a problem with most Atlases. But it would be a lot harder without the elites.

[Bishop Steiner]

well, i just hit masters last night. And I will say I think my damage has lifted 100pts or so since. But that also coincides with SRMs regaining their ******, so IDK .

[Johnny Reb]

Well, if you want a slow, effective mech to learn both ppc and lrms then the atlas is tops! With ecm:
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...bd1da741be42b67

[Otto Cannon]

You can't really directly compare them because they're as different as two assaults can be in playstyle. Do you want a stompy tank or a fast, jumpy flank striker?

[Booran]

Atlas are great to defend choke points, Victors seems to be a heavy mix of centurion and dragon with JJs sprinkled on top.

[Archon Adam Steiner]

They're not really comparable; with a twenty tonne difference, and entirely different (lore-based) roles, it really is comparing apples and oranges; the VTR is better for damage, as I see it, being more mobile and (usually) less likely to get shot at, as well as having the speed and maneuverability (from jump jets) to engage and retreat as needed. An Atlas is all about commitment, because with its lousy movement characteristics, once you make up your mind to do something, you're largely stuck... and being such a large, easily-hit target means that many people will take advantage of that.

If you want to be a 'tank' (to use an old MMO term), grab the Atlas. If you want versatility, grab a Victor.