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[Davers]

Marack Drock, on 03 August 2014 - 07:29 PM, said:

Um in 60 years or so that army is a bunch of old men (if they were 20 when they were with Word of Blake hey would be 90) just to let you know, running outdated technology

Just like what happened to Kerensky and his men when they left, right?

[NocturnalBeast]

Do the Blakists have nice treasures and trinkets? I hope so, all the Clans have is tech. Or maybe you make some sweet sacramental whine, or something. :-)

[wanderer]

Ed Steele, on 07 August 2014 - 11:31 PM, said:

Do the Blakists have nice treasures and trinkets? I hope so, all the Clans have is tech. Or maybe you make some sweet sacramental whine, or something. :-)

Notably, the Blakists were the first non-Clan faction to produce significant amounts of Clantech-level equipment along with some new gear of their own. Given, some of the best required the pilot to be heavily cyborged, but this is the Word we're talking here. That was considered a blessing.

[The Gruntmaster 6000]

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Just like what happened to Kerensky and his men when they left, right?

Sorry to disappoint you but Marack isn't coming back. I talked to him today and he says Hawken is more worth his time.
Very funny though.

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Notably, the Blakists were the first non-Clan faction to produce significant amounts of Clantech-level equipment along with some new gear of their own. Given, some of the best required the pilot to be heavily cyborged, but this is the Word we're talking here. That was considered a blessing

The Word is fascinating for me. I like to study the Psyche of Killers like Marack did, and I do have to say, They are acting without motive. People with goals to conquer don't Glass whole planets, and people who want a United Inner Sphere don't accept help from the Free Worlds League (which makes them an enemy of the Inner Sphere). They are too random, and too obscure in their plans to have motives this complex.

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Last MW:DA novel. Devlin Stone was responsible, and it was WoB tech that made it possible.

Um no where anywhere did I find this. Quote, book name, and pic of this phrase please.

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Actually, multiple WoB units are MIA

Actually as of 3130s they said all Blakists are accounted for. The last were captured by ComStar and are pretty much POWs.

Alexander is right. Killed and Captured. Minnesota Tribe were the guys who simply vanished except they did it around Operation Revival time period.

[DerangedShadow]

The Advisor, on 11 August 2014 - 08:42 AM, said:

Um no where anywhere did I find this. Quote, book name, and pic of this phrase please.

He is quoting the last book by Wizkids. It was called "A Bonfire of Worlds" and it was never published in book format. It was only an e-publication. The phrase was spouted by Tucker Harwell, the genius that restarted a Hyper Pulse Generator on Wyatt, at the ending of the book when he discovered information that Devlin Stone was the reason behind the blackout of the HPG network.

A couple issues of this, it has not been stated in any of the newer books that Catalyst has released nor have they even hinted at this subject in the "Field Manual: 3145" where Tucker has discovered that Devlin was put into a sleeping tube to be awakened when he is needed. So it could be a canon rumor that Devlin was behind it or it could be the real thing. We will not know until Catalyst puts more light onto the matter.

[The Gruntmaster 6000]

Oh that one. That book I don't even know if it is canon or not either, and if so has enough circumstantial evidence to support Devlin Stone as Wobby to make a Columbo case seem like it is an air tight conviction.

Edited by The Advisor, 11 August 2014 - 09:21 AM.

[wanderer]

Also, as there is nothing in any later publication that counters this (no, they didn't find them during the DA period- I checked):



The WoB's big hitters were never found. Nor were much of what supposedly were their hidden resources. Officially, they were "Yay, we destroyed all the bad ol' Blakists!". Unofficially, they've been jumping at shadows ever since. The Terran ComStar, unlike the parts outside the Republic not only remains surprisingly strong economically (despite having no visible means of support) but also ends up rearming a covert military arm. Again. Even as the ComStar outside the barrier are selling off assets at fire-sale prices (mostly to Clan Sea Fox) just to pay the bills.

And yes, Bonfire of Worlds is canonical.

[The Gruntmaster 6000]

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Also, as there is nothing in any later publication that counters this (no, they didn't find them during the DA period- I checked):

There's also no evidence that supports this, also they found Stone sealed in a pod.

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discovered information that Devlin Stone was the reason behind the blackout of the HPG network.

So he didn't discover anything. He read a rumor. So that makes it circumstantial. Which makes it a Canon rumor. And even if this happened there is NO evidence he is with the Blakists. For all we know it could have been a ploy to give himself more power (which would work). Also no one knows if the last Domini weren't killed either, again making their existence canon rumor as well.

Edit- Also sorry if I am sounding rude. The Blakists are my least favorite people.

Edited by The Advisor, 12 August 2014 - 06:38 PM.

[John Christopher]

There is no truth to Devlin Stone being a Blakist.


And yes....There are many Planets that the Allied Forces never found.
They never found Specter Precentor Sigma Berith or Avitue.
And even after the most of the Blakist forces were destroyed they could never weed out ALL of the Blakist Loyalist in Comstar.
Even after the Jihad was over with manyComstar ROM agents and personel still chant while in HPG compounds.
To top it off they never found ALL of the 5 Hidden Planets.



Gratias agamus Domino Blake Nostro!

[The Gruntmaster 6000]

That is if those other planets ever even existed dun dun dun. Yeah seriously, no one has found them... so could it just be that they were a ploy of the Wobbies to get the attention of the Inner Sphere further?

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And even after the most of the Blakist forces were destroyed they could never weed out ALL of the Blakist Loyalist in Comstar.

We all know that and we also know they are now just the size of a small splinter cell within Comstar which watches them constantly.

Also the Blakists talk of unity when they are infact 5 different factions in one and fights with itself-
Counter Reformists
Shunners
Toyamas
Expatriates
True Believers

All of them bicker and fight with themselves. Yeah you guys are kinda doing "The pot calling the kettle black". Also I looked around and looks as though the Capellan Confederation had some hand in helping the Wobbies in the beginning along with the FWL. Then they left and declared war on them.

When the Liaos (scum of the galaxy) are against you, you are the lowest worst, most murderous and unethical in the galaxy. I mean it astounds me.

But Congratulations you guys and FWL are tied for number one as the biggest serial killers in the galaxy (FWL supported you making them directly involved). Also I thought for sure that you Blakists would love to say that Devlin is one of your mindless killers.

Edited by The Advisor, 26 August 2014 - 10:08 AM.

[John Christopher]

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That is if those other planets ever even existed dun dun dun. Yeah seriously, no one has found them... so could it just be that they were a ploy of the Wobbies to get the attention of the Inner Sphere further?

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They were called The Hidden.Three of the Hidden were destroyed. One due to a natural disaster,the other to a coalition fleet.The last was destroyed in a bioweapons breakout. That leaves two hidden planets controlled by the Manei Domini that've so far have never been found. There is no cannon mention of the coalition finding the last two remaining planets.Although...I find it extremely humorous that people who support major House Lords call me a "serial killer"
As far as i'm concerned the Word of Blake and all it's sects accomplished it's goal of unifying humanity.

Edited by John Christopher, 27 August 2014 - 08:17 PM.

[The Gruntmaster 6000]

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sects accomplished it's goal of unifying humanity.

Except the Clans, Free Worlds League (which became a universal enemy), Outworlds Alliance, and other outer Periphery factions that never got involved and continued with their quarrels, and the Capellan Confederation that tried to take Fed Suns worlds while the Jihad happened. Yeah really successful.

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I find it extremely humorous that people who support major House Lords call me a "serial killer"

So as long as you have the motive "Unify the Inner Sphere" you are not a killer?

Well in that case the Clans are innocent because they just wanted a unified Inner Sphere under the Star League (which you Blakists wanted to join in on also), and the Romans in Ancient Times were innocent when executing people willy nilly cause they wanted a unified and controlled empire. Actually anyone who was a killer and who's motive was unity is innocent. Sheesh I should just say my motive for everything is Unity and the boom I am no longer a killer.

Your theory is flawed otherwise anyone with that motive is innocent.

Also since when does unity imply Jihad? Unity cannot exist in FEAR. It only exists in common goal and it was obvious the galaxy did not nor will ever have a common goal. You failed miserably in the eyes of the galaxy.

Even in World War 2 not everyone had a common goal. Japan and Germany and Austria. 3 countries, not one which means it was not a unified goal in the world. It cannot exist when unity by fear or conquering is the goal. It can only exist when unity by peace is the goal. Blakists made it clear FEAR was their goal when starting the JIHAD. Fear of annihilation. But some others decided "Good for us if we help the killing" and so the goal could not be reached. An enemy feeds off fear for their weapon. It is a lust for power in a sense because you can now try and control people. But people are so different that some will help the fear and some will fight it. The Inner Sphere went both ways and took part in both sides of Unity by Fear as the Enemies and the Enforcers. WoB failed.

Edited by The Advisor, 29 August 2014 - 08:17 PM.

[John Christopher]

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Also since when does unity imply Jihad? Unity cannot exist in FEAR. It only exists in common goal and it was obvious the galaxy did not nor will ever have a common goal. You failed miserably in the eyes of the galaxy.

Jihad is what we launched....unity was the end result.

and well...you all unified to destroy the Word of Blake?

i suggest you read more about the Jihad.

Edited by John Christopher, 02 September 2014 - 07:52 PM.

[The Gruntmaster 6000]

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you all unified to destroy the Word of Blake?

Like me and Drock listed above, NO we did not all unite to destroy you. Unity is when ALL have one purpose and goal and work together for that goal. If we don't all unite for that goal we are not United. We were not all together therefore we were not united, hence you failed your goal of unity.

[John Christopher]

Drick...i wasn't discussing anything with you.
Your trolling skills are excellent though...you should join us.
We could put you in charge of communication.
I never once said the clans joined the against The Word.
I know exactly what happened. But me writing that isn't going to change the fact that your going to continue to troll this thread and act like tell us things regarding Mechwarrior we already know.

I'm merely trying to explain the logic of the Blakist.

Advisor, what happened to Terra and area after the Jihad?

I think i see what your trying to do here.

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Even in World War 2 not everyone had a common goal. Japan and Germany and Austria. 3 countries, not one which means it was not a unified goal in the world. It cannot exist when unity by fear or conquering is the goal. It can only exist when unity by peace is the goal. Blakists made it clear FEAR was their goal when starting the JIHAD. Fear of annihilation. But some others decided "Good for us if we help the killing" and so the goal could not be reached. An enemy feeds off fear for their weapon. It is a lust for power in a sense because you can now try and control people. But people are so different that some will help the fear and some will fight it. The Inner Sphere went both ways and took part in both sides of Unity by Fear as the Enemies and the Enforcers. WoB failed.

First off....it took me several days to make sense of what you posted above.
This has nothing to do with World War II you nutball.
This is a video game,science fiction,a game based off stimulating mechanical combat....So i'm going to even touch or discuss the whole World War II tangent you started your troll on.

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Blakists made it clear FEAR was their goal when starting the JIHAD. Fear of annihilation. But some others decided "Good for us if we help the killing" and so the goal could not be reached. An enemy feeds off fear for their weapon. It is a lust for power in a sense because you can now try and control people. But people are so different that some will help the fear and some will fight it

Um....no....you are wrong.
The Blakist made it crystal clear at the Fourth Whitting Conference what they were hoping for. And they brought the LCS Invincible which was decorated in SLDF colors along with her escort of other Blakist warships. Our goal and hopes were that the Inner Sphere would convene and admit The Word into the SLDF and that we would finally destroy the Clan threat.
Since the Capellean Confederation,Federated Suns,and Lyran Alliance withdrew. That's when we decided to make you Unite by force...dragging and screaming. Every devout Blakist knew right from the start of the Jihad that The Word of Blake would lose. They knew they couldn't successfully defeat all Five Houses,Comstar,Mercenaries,and a couple Clans. Our goal was to finally make War soo horrific,ghastly,and widespread that just the very thought of making war on your neighbors would bring you back to the time when The Manei Domini showed up and took out a chunk of humanities population. Perhaps you don't like the outcome of the Jihad. Perhaps you didn't like the idea they actually won while sacrificing themselves. In the end...the majority of the Inner Sphere did unite to not only defeat The Word of Blake but also setup The Republic of the Sphere.....
That's what i'm trying to get at...and that's what you frails can't seem to understand...
I'm not gonna post here anymore....

[The Gruntmaster 6000]

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First off....it took me several days to make sense of what you posted above.
This has nothing to do with World War II you nutball.
This is a video game,science fiction,a game based off stimulating mechanical combat....So i'm going to even touch or discuss the whole World War II tangent you started your troll on.

I was posting an example of non unity even in the face of destruction. Which happened during your Holy war (which is quite literally what it was).

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In the end...the majority of the Inner Sphere did unite to not only defeat The Word of Blake but also setup The Republic of the Sphere.....

Just until we figured out the Republic was a puppet face for Devlin who shut down the HPGs. So failure.

UNITY is supposed to be permanent not there for 2 seconds and gone the next.

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The Word into the SLDF and that we would finally destroy the Clan threat.

epic fail

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Since the Capellean Confederation,Federated Suns,and Lyran Alliance withdrew. That's when we decided to make you Unite by force...dragging and screaming.

And you failed to unite 2 of the great houses.

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Perhaps you don't like the outcome of the Jihad. Perhaps you didn't like the idea they actually won while sacrificing themselves. In the end...the majority of the Inner Sphere did unite to not only defeat The Word of Blake but also setup The Republic of the Sphere.....

So their goal was to unite 3 out of the 5 houses and bring a puppet faction that ends up pulverized to power and destroy the Clans? Well you succeeded if those were your goals (except the Clans who ended up invading again taking more territory in the Commonwealth than they did in the first war). I don't know about you but Unity is supposed to last at least somewhat after your goal war.

Anyways luckily we will probably never see Jihad if the 1:1 timeline stays because the chances of this game lasting 20 years are slim. Have fun.

Edit- Why is it I am trolling for just posting an example where unity doesn't exist. It was still on topic so it wasn't trolling. You just got ticked cause I equated you to WW2 Axis forces which you said you basically were (claiming that murder was alright as long as the goal unity). Also why is it you refuse to comment on not unifying the Inner Sphere? I think you just hot now. Anyways I am done here as well. You guys succeeded in unifying us for 2 seconds VICTORY.

Edited by The Advisor, 05 September 2014 - 06:57 AM.

[John Christopher]

[NocturnalBeast]

Ah, lol, we will raid the Blakist Lines, steal their beer and rum, maybe their women (although they may be a bit uptight)!

[Vajhra]

World of Blake was a construct of a covert Clan Wolverine, yes they still live!!! LOL As a self identified Clan Wolverine from Netmech days, I had to fudge up my own history. Having such a strong heritage, I like to think they had 'some' future into the MW universe, so for me the World of Blake are one of the two death throws of the Clan Wolverine influence. Here is a brief rundown of how I delude myself into thinking it all goes;

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After the Trial of Annihilation the remaining command elements of Clan Wolverine who had used lower caste units as decoys for their escape, rallied to a coded beacon and planned their escape. The new enemy, was now the Clan's and this meant the new ally was going to be found within the Inner Sphere. The exiled Wolverine's bred of strategy and a thirst for power, looked to the core and decided that Comstar would be the point of infiltration. The last thing they wanted was to trade one cultural turf war for another by joining an Inner Sphere House or minor system.

Rebranding themselves as a rogue Merc unit they raided various Inner Sphere depot's to resupply and replace their failing Clan tech, and gather intelligence, before finally commencing negotations with Comstar. Comstar jumped at the chance and siezed their remaining Clan tech for what it was worth having decayed through the Trial and passages of fighting into the core of the Inner Sphere.

They were held under close watch as a Regimental Combat Group within the 244th Division of the Com Guards, where they had security and protection duties during the 2nd and 3rd Succession Wars. As the advanced skills and training of the Clan Wolverine were adopted by the 244th the Clan members filtered up into command positions of the Division, and became a prized Division in the Com Guards - So much so that they were tasked to develop a close relationship with the Comstar ROM.

By 3004 they were put to task for ROM upon intelligence that Anton Marik was planning activity that could cause a fracture in House Marik. Anton's Revolt was an opportunity for Comstar to assess the emergence of Clan unit's in the Inner Sphere and manipulate the activity to raise the value of the C-Bill. As the sides of the conflict started to tear each other apart the 244th elements were quietly withdrawn at strategic moments covertly to rejoin the Division.

The 244th undertook various raiding activities against House Davion during the 4th Succession War. In 3030, and true to their heritage of priority asset protection in the early decades of Com Guard service, they were assigned to remain in the Davion systems working for ROM conducting HPG protection duties for Comstar. Under agreement with House Davion they operated covertly as new House Davion critical infrastructure protection units.....

Present Day MWO.

Future;
ComStar sends the now FWL linked unit to Gibson as a forward deployed unit to respond to any possible expansion to the Clan Invasion.
Having been kept in reserve on Gibson they then are bought in for the Battle of Tukayyid.

After coming face to face again with the Clan's, the Wolverine blood relatives (who have kept the tradition and views alive, never forgetting) are fired up, and start plotting to take down the Clan's and to live up the original dream of retaking Terra.

It is plotted to create two factions within the 244th, one to focus on Terra and the other to focus on the Clans. The split of the 244th links one group into supporting the World of Blake who are subsequently successful in taking Terra. Using their role as HPG protection, they are able to assist Precentor Aziz in building up the World of Blake.

The other 244th group ends up attached to the FWL who subsequently crush Clan Smoke Jaguar as a symbolic warning to the Clan's. Chosen due to their possession of their namesake's home planet, Strana Mechty.

At about 3061 all remaining deployed CWV units abandon their cover's return to Terra - the original dream of the Clan's. The FedCom Civil War breaks out as a result of the evaporation of the covertly placed agreements and command structures - which had been the web of manipulation laid by CWV. Clan Wolverine retire their battle colors upon Terra, convinced they, and only they, have ended up succeeding.

[Demi-Precentor Konev]

So are we starting this WoB unit or what? I'm tired of solo-dropping with heretics all day.