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[kesuga7]

what a downhill thread

Im pretty sure (assuming) even the developers themselfs wanted ac 40's nerfed

Because 500% heeat penatly is a hint that they don't like it either

[Joseph Mallan]

TLBFestus, on 17 July 2013 - 05:47 PM, said:

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Because, the natural evolution of that is a bunch of assclowns running around in AC40 and PPC boats and the game loses ANY personality and redeeming play value.

But... I am A Lyran... PPCs, ACs an Gauss are the main stay of my military machine!

[Burpitup]

It didn't fix the ac40 set up at all. Now they just fire them 1 2. they go out almost as fast and do just as much damage. about the only set up i have seen that it nerfed. is the 6 ppc stalker. now when you fire it you die.

[Sheraf]

If you let them get close to you under 270m, then you should really be dead.

[Bloodweaver]

Burpitup, on 17 July 2013 - 05:38 PM, said:

Why did we need to nerf the people who shoot 3 ppc's at a time. Why do we need to nerf the 2 ac 20 guys. If you want to balance it out build one too.

Way to completely misunderstand what "balance" means.

Not sure if troll...

[Joseph Mallan]

Burpitup, on 17 July 2013 - 06:24 PM, said:

It didn't fix the ac40 set up at all. Now they just fire them 1 2. they go out almost as fast and do just as much damage. about the only set up i have seen that it nerfed. is the 6 ppc stalker. now when you fire it you die.

I did. I have a Jager40 on one of my Alts. It could fire 6-8 times before I got Heat warnings on Tourmaline or Caustic. And NEVER on Frozen City.

[Lightfoot]

I agree. There is no need to re-invent MechWarrior for MWO when all they needed to do was make the Mechs tougher. The double recharge obviously had unexpected results, but the fix was make the mechs tougher not apply one nerf after another to this system and that weapon.

There is nothing unusual about 3xPPCs being fired at once or 2xAC20 in MechWarrior. It just wasn't working in MWO because the mechs are too weak to damage.

The problem with the course PGI is charting here is they are making an enormous amount of unnecessary work for themselves and it's just going to compound itself when they have to abandon their current balancing feat with a new one for Clan Tech.

2xAC20 is not a cheat, it's normal. The new heatscale on the otherhand breaks the broad balance MechWarrior uses and replaces it with a narrow effect balance.

I don't mean to sound overly critical, but 2x AC20 and 3x PPC are moderate damage configs compared to Clan Tech. Clan tech will do more damage with better heatsinks and fewer weapons at which point Inner Sphere mechs will need configs like 3x PPCs and 2xAC20s to compete and MWO will still be left with the larger problem of mechs that go BOOM in a few seconds.

Edited by Lightfoot, 18 July 2013 - 07:46 AM.

[Corvus Antaka]

because i shot 4 erppc and dual ac/40 all the time and all my dead opponents cried about cheese, and i got bored cause there was cheese everywhere, and those where the only builds of value worth running.

[JokerVictor]

Finn McShae, on 17 July 2013 - 05:55 PM, said:

Come now, reading the piles and piles of QQ is pretty much why I come to these forums. All day long entertainment from my desk at work.

Yes indeed sir! I could give two sh*ts about the game, but the tears and rage are just priceless.

But, these guys take the cake

[Jonathan Paine]

Again, how hard is it to fire, breathe, fire. All you need is a 0.5 second delay. STOP CRYING!

[Rushin Roulette]

nononono... please carry on crying.. my popcorn is nearly done.

Wait.. its done. Carry on.

[TLBFestus]

Joseph Mallan, on 17 July 2013 - 06:23 PM, said:

But... I am A Lyran... PPCs, ACs an Gauss are the main stay of my military machine!

In that case, you are excused. Carry on.

[Edson Drake]

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It seems to me this game is getting fixed when it doesn't need it. It seems to me like all games people complain when they die a lot. They get all of there friends to complain and then things start getting balanced that shouldn't be.

Why did we need to nerf the people who shoot 3 ppc's at a time. Why do we need to nerf the 2 ac 20 guys. If you want to balance it out build one too. Why do they need to make streaks more powerful. Why do you need to make machine guns more powerful. Why should they nerf LRM"S.

I can read through the comments on the forums and no one is happy. Well no one is going to be. If you fix everything and make it all equal. What is the point. I think we just need to learn to work with what we have. Stop changing crap that doesn't need fixed.

I'll will tell you the truth. I agree.

I worked at a software company, and there's something called "the majority vote and trends".

When a developer sees masses of complaints about something, they see the need to change in order to not lose the customers that were complaining. Trends work the same way. Some feature everybody asked for, need to be implemented, or customer loss is unavoidable.

There are exceptions of course, in this case, I see 3pv being bashed all the time and yet PGI is pushing it. Might be the decision of a higher-up that plays the cards. I also saw this happening where I worked.

This system works in favour of the customer and can be manipulated by the users, no doubt.

Having that said, I don't believe that the whine is ruining the game per se. I like the changes, make the game more interesting, as long as I like them and still have fun with the game I'll still play. What pains me, is that some of the things that were changed, didn't need to be changed. While others, really needed to be adjusted.

For example, I liked the way they messed around with heat and the penalty threshoulds for weapon groups, especially the PPCs, but I disliked the way they messed up the Large Lasers. They are considered at the same ground as the PPCs now, while noticiably weaker.

Having to make 3 different groups for a 6 LL setup up is something I didn't like. It would be much better to have the threshould to 3 so It would be more fair at two 3 LLs groups. It isn't like LLs were a problem anyway.

[PanzerMagier]

Burpitup, on 17 July 2013 - 05:38 PM, said:

It seems to me this game is getting fixed when it doesn't need it. It seems to me like all games people complain when they die a lot. They get all of there friends to complain and then things start getting balanced that shouldn't be.

Why did we need to nerf the people who shoot 3 ppc's at a time. Why do we need to nerf the 2 ac 20 guys. If you want to balance it out build one too. Why do they need to make streaks more powerful. Why do you need to make machine guns more powerful. Why should they nerf LRM"S.

I can read through the comments on the forums and no one is happy. Well no one is going to be. If you fix everything and make it all equal. What is the point. I think we just need to learn to work with what we have. Stop changing crap that doesn't need fixed.

You realize you're complaining about people who complain... A bit hypocritical don't ya think? You are one of the people ruining this game then yes?

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[Steve Varayis]

meta

[PanzerMagier]

No no no no, meta stays in game! not outside of it!