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[Oppresor]

As a result of an on-going discussion based on repair in the Suggestions Forum, we diverted slightly into Ammo resupply. It has now come to light that there actually was a resupply Mech in cannon; this adds a new dimension to things, it means that it's not being made up and is acceptable within MWO at some stage.

The Mech is known as the Patron
.

It has many shortcomings, but could perform a Re-Amm task and may be useful especially when the missions get longer.

If you want to know more about it, follow this link: http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Patron

[Clit Beastwood]

*Why* do you want this? Like, do you just want to drive one? Or do you want someone else to resupply you?
Just curious - longer matches without resupply will force people to use more balanced loadouts - no need for a crutch-mech. Also, dropship mode should mitigate some of the long term ammo concerns. The mech above worked in concert with transport vehicles to bring the supplies, and it slowly worked to load missiles, etc. into a mech. With the maps as small as they are, I can't see it working in a realistic way. Loading missiles/AC ammo into a mech would be time consuming, so you either have to have longer (much longer) matches where it takes 15-30 minutes just to reload, or you have an arcade style instant refill station.

I'm genuinely curious - really, why do you want this, and how do you envision it being used without a) turning the game into more of an arcade game with "ammo stations", and spending tons of time waiting for reloads to happen?

[Clit Beastwood]

Hm - I re-read my own post and I sound like kind of a jerk, but that's really not what I was trying to do - I'm legitimately trying to understand what you hope to accomplish, and how you propose implementing it.

[Jestun]

Every few weeks we get a new thread about medic or ammo mechs.

Every few weeks it gets a huge amount of no votes.

[Sean von Steinike]

As a NPC target in some future capture the base mission, ok. Otherwise, no.

[Randalf Yorgen]

Oppresor, on 26 July 2013 - 01:22 PM, said:

As a result of an on-going discussion based on repair in the Suggestions Forum, we diverted slightly into Ammo resupply. It has now come to light that there actually was a resupply Mech in cannon; this adds a new dimension to things, it means that it's not being made up and is acceptable within MWO at some stage.

The Mech is known as the Patron
.

It has many shortcomings, but could perform a Re-Amm task and may be useful especially when the missions get longer.

If you want to know more about it, follow this link: http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Patron

circa 3075. aka Darkages aka NO

[Oppresor]

Fierostetz, on 26 July 2013 - 04:02 PM, said:

Hm - I re-read my own post and I sound like kind of a jerk, but that's really not what I was trying to do - I'm legitimately trying to understand what you hope to accomplish, and how you propose implementing it.

Firstly, you are definitely Not a jerk; the whole idea of this forum is to be able to discuss anything Mech or Loadout related no matter how outrageous it may sound in the first instance.

So why the Patron?

In the main to give hope to all the MechWarrior's in our community that want more than just a TDM product. When we stand back and analyse the threads since December, it becomes apparent that many of the player base are genuinely interested in things that take MWO beyond a pure shooter. The first stage was to develop bigger maps; these provide options to extend mission time and to incorporate tactics beyond "everyone make a run for Theta". As things are now there is some evidence to show that this is happening; some of our MechWarrior's are attempting to take command in the field, others are confirming what role they are configured for over the chatline so that they can be used optimally within a tactical plan.

Yea but were does the Patron fit into this?

At the moment He or She doesn't, that's why I included the third option in the Poll. The maps need to be even bigger, maybe four times the size of Tourmaline or Alpine and mission times need to be 30 minutes or more to make a Patron and associated Ammo Convoy practical. You are absolutely right about reload times, the last thing we want to do is make MWO an Arcade style game, it has the potential to be so much more than that. What I have done here is to give those that have asked for Ammunition Resupply in the past a voice and a lifeline. The breakthrough came with the discovery that the Patron existed; it took away the main obstacle which normally raises its head, the "Its not Cannon therefore it can't be in the game" thing.

Will we ever see the Patron?

Looking at the Poll results so far, probably not, although I would be willing to do my bit for the lance and re-supply the Depth Fire Catapults if the chance presented itself. I believe that given time MWO or a spinoff from it will start to incorporate logistics and support, we just need to start somewhere so why not with a patron on a 12 person lance and a small ammo dump located somewhere on the map. The associated mission goals and possibly bonuses would go like this:

1. Recon or Scout the Ammo Dump. 2 GXP
2. Escort Patron to Ammo Dump. 2 GXP if Patron Survives + Escort Bonus of 5 C-Bills.
3. Carry out successful Re-Supply (Any percentage above 10%). 5 GXP + 10 C-Bills per 10% fitted.

[Madwill]

oh, i thought this was about adding a mini-bar to the cockpit. i know some tequila would make pugging easier.

[Oppresor]

Madwill, on 27 July 2013 - 09:04 PM, said:

oh, i thought this was about adding a mini-bar to the cockpit. i know some tequila would make pugging easier.

Subtle but great lol

[EyeOne]

From reading Sarna it sounds like this is a hanger work mech not a battlefield rearm mech. It's also 15 tons and extremely slow. It'd die in no time anyway.

[Oppresor]

Oppresor, on 27 July 2013 - 02:30 PM, said:

I believe that given time MWO or a spinoff from it will start to incorporate logistics and support, we just need to start somewhere so why not with a patron on a 12 person lance and a small ammo dump located somewhere on the map. The associated mission goals and possibly bonuses would go like this:

1. Recon or Scout the Ammo Dump. 2 GXP
2. Escort Patron to Ammo Dump. 2 GXP if Patron Survives + Escort Bonus of 5 C-Bills.
3. Carry out successful Re-Supply (Any percentage above 10%). 5 GXP + 10 C-Bills per 10% fitted.

EyeOne, on 28 July 2013 - 12:18 PM, said:

From reading Sarna it sounds like this is a hanger work mech not a battlefield rearm mech. It's also 15 tons and extremely slow. It'd die in no time anyway.

You could be right, but do you think it could be used in an extended objective similar to the one that I have outlined above in the first quote? If so what do you think of the bonus allocation? I have tried to take into account that this sort of unit would tie up a Light or Medium as it is escorted to the Ammo Dump. The Patron would also be an objective critical unit because it would be the only unit that could Rearm any other units in the lance that made it back to the Ammo Dump. As far as the Tactical picture is concerned, the location of the Ammo Dump once found by our scouts would appear on the Lance Commanders map, as would the current location of the Patron.

[soarra]

The newly builtPatrons been utlized with Marshal Photon Brett-Marik lead Duchy of Tamarind/FWL-military forces fending against the Lyran and Word of Blakeassaults by 3074.<sup>[1]

So how about NO</sup>

[MaxStr]

Please people stop making these polls. No means no.

[Joseph Mallan]

Oppresor, on 26 July 2013 - 01:22 PM, said:

As a result of an on-going discussion based on repair in the Suggestions Forum, we diverted slightly into Ammo resupply. It has now come to light that there actually was a resupply Mech in cannon; this adds a new dimension to things, it means that it's not being made up and is acceptable within MWO at some stage.

The Mech is known as the Patron
.

It has many shortcomings, but could perform a Re-Amm task and may be useful especially when the missions get longer.

If you want to know more about it, follow this link: http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Patron

In this timeline we have an ammo supply vehicle... that House Kurita assigned the damned to drive.

[LauLiao]

For the record, I don't consider anything introduced post-FASA to be canon. Especially not this WizKids Jihad/Dark Age crap.

[Gaan Cathal]

LauLiao, on 29 July 2013 - 12:47 PM, said:

For the record, I don't consider anything introduced post-FASA to be canon. Especially not this WizKids Jihad/Dark Age crap.

For the record, your personal opinion doesn't have anything to do with canon. Canon is set by the owners of the IP, and they include that stuff.

That said, ammo carriers are unnecessary, although static resupply dumps for larger maps than we have now might be good once we get 12v12

Edited by Gaan Cathal, 29 July 2013 - 01:02 PM.

[Tombstoner]

Joseph Mallan, on 29 July 2013 - 12:23 PM, said:

In this timeline we have an ammo supply vehicle... that House Kurita assigned the damned to drive.

yes but the time it take to refit and rearm is way too long to be in the game as such. unless you use a magic circle that you stand in next to a building.

i see R&R as being part of CW or some sort of single player campaign at some point.

this sort of mech make sense in more detained simulation games and me and my friends would like playing but is simply doesn't suit the community at large.

[Doctor Smiley]

Please I don't want to heal anyone....I don't have to worry about healing idiots...I can hear it now I didn't get healed as the moron is sitting on Suicide ridge in Frozen City...

[Belorion]

This is WAY out of the time line.

[Zarlaren]

If you got spare tonnage just add more ammo or sacrifice something to free up some tonnage to throw on more ammo or just go with all energy weapons like large lasers and erppc's with unlimited supply. Or just fill you entire mech slots up with that ammo type and you can shoot for along time. If your a lrm boat just start filling up your mech with lrm ammo and forget the other weapon types and ammo just go with one weapon type and load the rest of your slots with that ammo type. We really do not need a mech to give a resupply cause matchs really don't last for more the 10-30 mins sometimes a match is over in 4-5 mins. If they do make a map that makes people have matchs over a hour maby but we don't have that yet. And if it is added what does the mech do throw a box of ammo at you and your refilled? Or will it be press and hold a ammo reloader button till a mech stocks are full?