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[Xorv]

Is it just me or do I notice a lot of over confident jagers? I see a quickdraw it runs or does a dance with a massive radius around my nearly 80 alpha atlas, I see a jager it comes up to my face shooting with vigor only to collapse in mere seconds. what is wrong with you? Just because you can equip two ac 20 or gauss doesn't mean you're automatically good.......

[Sadistic Savior]

I am totally guilty of this. I blame dual AC/20s.

And to be fair, if I can hit your cockpit even once, your Atlas is toast. I have one-shotted Atlases lots of times. But barring that, an Atlas will spank me almost every time...it simply can take my pounding more than I can take it's pounding.

But the lure of the easy headshot is powerful, and I simply can stop myself. So I get spanked by Atlases a lot.

Edited by Sadistic Savior, 26 July 2013 - 01:51 PM.

[Ragnar Darkmane]

Well, AC 40 was a crutch that allowed overconfident people to get a solid damage count and kills by simply running towards the enemy with minimum use of cover. It takes time for the people to adapt now that their easy mode actually takes some skill if they don't want to overheat like mad.

[Xorv]

@Savior - ya but that's if you're facing those atlas pilots (who strangely are quite common) who just stand there (maybe walk) but keep their torso in place while they shoot. When I fight after i fire i move around spreading the dmg making the same shoot twice harder.

Edited by Xorv, 26 July 2013 - 02:03 PM.

[Sadistic Savior]

Xorv, on 26 July 2013 - 02:02 PM, said:

@Savior - ya but that's if you're facing those atlas pilots (who strangely are quite common) who just stand there (maybe walk) but keep their torso in place while they shoot. When I fight after i fire i move around spreading the dmg making the same shoot twice harder.

I don't mind bragging...I am a good shot. I can hit the cockpit of a moving atlas often enough to make it not boring. Thats why I keep doing it. I am also not green...I know better than to charge towards an Atlas in the open. All my weapons are close range only, and I keep cover until I am within range (or I don't engage at all).

It still works often enough that I can't help myself. But most of the time, I will lose those encounters. Atlas armor is just too thick.

[Naimes]

I love jager pilots. They see my catapult k2 and follow me around like a mouse going after cheese. Never gets old having a blind jager dog me until I lead them into a barage of assault fire.

[Royalewithcheese]

Jagerbombs are very good at killing assaults, and it's easy to get greedy

Edited by Royalewithcheese, 26 July 2013 - 02:51 PM.

[Queen ChrysaIis]

every game i got >3 jaggers in both teams, its kinda sick

[One Medic Army]

Something else to consider:
Jägers can't really protect themselves by twisting, it just makes it even easier to hit whichever side they show, they're also not nearly as fast as say a Dragon or Quickdraw.
The jäger can retreat behind cover, but the atlas will probably just follow him.

I view it as someone who's realized they're boned, and is desperately trying to win, I've done the same thing in my mediums sometimes when faced with a heavy.

[orcrist86]

I am currently leveling my jager, and find that if I'm not hugging an assault mech I get rolled for being a jager. people assume that I'm jager bombing and prioritize me. I run with a support package of srm20 and LL, and an ac5. I get the feeling that most jagers need to follow at distances greater than 100m.

[deforce]

so if you run into a jager and they dont 1 or 2 shot you, they are doing it wrong.

[TygerLily]

No arm movement from side-to-side means the Jager HAS to march right up (or at least stay facing you) the entire time to lay down fire...

[xRatas]

Jager 40 hits as hard as TableTop hunchback does(no doubled armor). TRO entry about the hunchbacks tells us about overconfident drivers who take assaults head-on in their hunchbacks and lose. So it is well along the lore and tradition.

Edited by xRatas, 26 July 2013 - 05:11 PM.

[Randalf Yorgen]

2er ppcs and 6 MG's pretty much take the leg off your atlas in 3-4 volleys. with a 315 xl, if you don't get me on the way in you will be trying to get your sights on me like you would a light mech by twisting and turning around. Also if you have already fought someone and your CT is orange or red, the two ppc's whould open you and the MG's would find your squishy insides. And like the a/c 40 guy said, if I hit your cockpit you're done.

[Bishop Steiner]

Ragnar Darkmane, on 26 July 2013 - 01:59 PM, said:

Well, AC 40 was a crutch that allowed overconfident people to get a solid damage count and kills by simply running towards the enemy with minimum use of cover. It takes time for the people to adapt now that their easy mode actually takes some skill if they don't want to overheat like mad.

a crutch?

Interesting, I used mine to set up ambushes and act as a back alley assassin.

Rushing blindly at the enemy with a horrendous lack of range ,moderate armor with an XL in relatively easy to hit side torsos seems stupid, IMO.

[verybad]

The JAg-40 pilots are similar to **** stars that think they can fight. They've got big guns...

Edited by verybad, 27 July 2013 - 10:01 AM.

[Ragnar Darkmane]

Bishop Steiner, on 27 July 2013 - 08:31 AM, said:

a crutch?

Interesting, I used mine to set up ambushes and act as a back alley assassin.

Rushing blindly at the enemy with a horrendous lack of range ,moderate armor with an XL in relatively easy to hit side torsos seems stupid, IMO.

Rushing blindly at the enemy is suicidal but if you can take down an undamaged assault with 3 salvoes in 8 seconds that hardly matters. Players with below average performance used to get 200+ damage and 1-2 kills by using a route with cover (like a tunnel) and then simply charging at the enemy hammering the left mouse button while aiming at the center of the target before getting focus fired to death. And are you seriously calling a Heavy mech with full torso armor, XL or not, "moderately armored" ? And remember that the "lack of range" is quite relative, 2 AC 20s still deal more damage than 2 standard PPCs at 600m (20 compared to 18) because of the ballistic damage drop off mechanics.

Edited by Ragnar Darkmane, 27 July 2013 - 10:13 AM.

[PlzDie]

AC 40 Jagers are easy kills, just hit them in the side torso, most of them will have XL engines and the side torsos are real soft.

[DarkDevilDancer]

No guts no galaxy man.

You think jager bombs are suicidal wait till we get hunchback IIc's.

[oldradagast]

While there is truth to what the OP says regarding overconfident Jager pilots, as a guy who runs one, I must point out that the Jager has zero horizontal arm movement, so other mechs are better at flying a tight circle around a target while shooting. In fact, Jagers can be circled to death with some ease if you know what you're doing - just don't stop in front of the big guns.

That being said, yes, more Jager pilots than one might think are too aggressive. The chassis is sort of designed to encourage that - guns, Guns, and more GUNS!!!