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[Devillin]

chiXu, on 01 August 2013 - 09:41 AM, said:

FOV isn't a problem, you can't really peek around corners, you can see over the top of things but your drone can also be seen.
It's really not the end days as many people seem to think.

If the drone can be seen, can we shoot at it? I think it would be cool if we can take it out with an ER PPC blast, and put the 3PVer at a disadvantage as they reorientate to the cockpit view.

[Huge]

Bilbo, on 01 August 2013 - 01:20 PM, said:

How so?

Money was pledged for a product that would contain and restrict particular elements. When this money was used to purchase Founder's packages they told us coolant and 3PV would not be in the game. Along with missing half a dozen other features like CW. Those are all a matter of time though and cannot really be argued however 3PV is a direct violation of goods delivered as promised.

I you buy a scale model plane and it is described as 1/20th scale and it turns out to be 1/10th you are protected from having to assume the cost of the goods as they were not what you told you'd be purchasing.

Edited by Huge, 01 August 2013 - 01:29 PM.

[Gallowglas]

Huge, on 01 August 2013 - 01:28 PM, said:

Money was pledged for a product that would contain and restrict particular elements. When this money was used to purchase Founder's packages they told us coolant and 3PV would not be in the game. Along with missing half a dozen other features like CW. Those are all a matter of time though and cannot really be argued however 3PV is a direct violation of goods delivered as promised.

I you buy a scale model plane and it is described as 1/20th scale and it turns out to be 1/10th you are protected from having to assume the cost of the goods as they were not what you told you'd be purchasing.

No, you paid money for exactly the elements described in the Founder's package. Namely: a set of mechs, some MC's, and premium time. Nothing about the Founders package purchase agreement mentioned anything about any gameplay features remaining static.

PGI will, I am sure, reimburse folks if they feel cheated, but they don't have any legal obligation to do so on these particular grounds.

Edited by Gallowglas, 01 August 2013 - 01:33 PM.

[Bilbo]

Huge, on 01 August 2013 - 01:28 PM, said:

Money was pledged for a product that would contain and restrict particular elements. When this money was used to purchase Founder's packages they told us coolant and 3PV would not be in the game. Along with missing half a dozen other features like CW. Those are all a matter of time though and cannot really be argued however 3PV is a direct violation of goods delivered as promised.

I you buy a scale model plane and it is described as 1/20th scale and it turns out to be 1/10th you are protected from having to assume the cost of the goods as they were not what you told you'd be purchasing.

Nope. You got everything they promised with the Founders package and there was never a promise of no 3pv .

[Xeno Phalcon]

Huge, on 01 August 2013 - 01:18 PM, said:

It is.

Even if that were true, it would easily fall into at least three popular 'loopholes' exploited in every day advertising and labeling most notably one known as "Acceptance by Default" - that is unless you specifically stated when you purchased something from them that it was under the stipulation that your 'product' would never include the offending inclusion then you have no grounds.


Its basically like saying I will buy a founders pack, but only if 3PV never gets implemented into the game.

[Huge]

Except Founder's was half goods and half crowd sourcing. You were paying them to make a MW game since they lacked the funds to do it themselves. The ingame goods were delivered how the game was not. It was misrepresented and qualifies for consumer protection laws.

[TIRANO QUATTRO]

Fishhawk, on 01 August 2013 - 01:16 PM, said:

We all know... didn't want to be rude, we were supposed to be in an intelligent conversation. As you have stated with your answers, I think I was wrong.

Edited by Cuatrocon, 01 August 2013 - 01:59 PM.

[Deathlike]

Fishhawk, on 01 August 2013 - 12:35 PM, said:

Again, think of it as a tool as opposed to a game breaking feature.

The first broken tool was called Seismic Sensors. 3PV one ups this.

[Wales Grey]

Third Person View is implemented in an awful way right now, it's more or less only useful for peeking over hills.

Not sure why so many man-hours were spent on this feature.

[GroovYChickeN]

Huge, on 01 August 2013 - 01:38 PM, said:

Except Founder's was half goods and half crowd sourcing. You were paying them to make a MW game since they lacked the funds to do it themselves. The ingame goods were delivered how the game was not. It was misrepresented and qualifies for consumer protection laws.

Except the EULA you agreed to does not give you ownership of anything and only the right to use said license. There were no goods.

[Gallowglas]

Huge, on 01 August 2013 - 01:38 PM, said:

Except Founder's was half goods and half crowd sourcing. You were paying them to make a MW game since they lacked the funds to do it themselves. The ingame goods were delivered how the game was not. It was misrepresented and qualifies for consumer protection laws.

That was how you interpreted it, not how it was sold.

[Huge]

Interpret it how you want if nothing else you go directly to your bank, credit union, or card company and explain the situation to them. Cite you were given a false description of goods and you want your money back. They will rip it out of their lying hand if need be. The card company almost universally sides with the consumer in these kinds of disputes.

[Fishhawk]

Cuatrocon, on 01 August 2013 - 01:43 PM, said:

We all know... didn't want to be rude, we were supposed to be in an intelligent conversation. Think I was wrong.

Not meaning to be rude. I was just trying to give you an alternative viewpoint of the features. You are convinced that it's the worst thing ever, but I don't think it's that horrible. I don't like the feature, but I don't vehemently hate it like you and others. I'm just surprised at how much you and others hate this feature in the game. I guess I like to give things a chance to work themselves out.

[Gallowglas]

Huge, on 01 August 2013 - 01:57 PM, said:

Interpret it how you want if nothing else you go directly to your bank, credit union, or card company and explain the situation to them. Cite you were given a false description of goods and you want your money back. They will rip it out of their lying hand if need be. The card company almost universally sides with the consumer in these kinds of disputes.

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Highlight the lies you were sold in this announcement.

[Wales Grey]

Tell me, Fishhawk, do you think the #swagradiation #magnumopus #paulsghostheatidea has produced the desired outcomes behind its implementation on the game?

edit: Also, why are the test servers only open once a week?

Edited by Wales Grey, 01 August 2013 - 02:08 PM.

[Fishhawk]

Wales Grey, on 01 August 2013 - 02:07 PM, said:

Tell me, Fishhawk, do you think the #swagradiation #magnumopus #paulsghostheatidea has produced the desired outcomes behind its implementation on the game?

edit: Also, why are the test servers only open once a week?

To an extent, yes. I don't see nearly the amount of PPC boating or even LRM boating. I have had a lot of enjoyable games since the implementation. It's certainly not perfect or elegant. I think I would have done it differently, but it has improved the game in my view. I think if they are going to stick with it, it will need more tweaking. Sounds like they tweaked the large and medium pulses in the Test server.

[Grimmnyr]

PGI needs to change the names of the game modes from "normal"mode and "hardcore" to "arcade" and "sim".

[Krivvan]

haruko, on 01 August 2013 - 09:34 AM, said:

The default FOV for 1PV is god awful.

I actually rather like the default FOV. The FOV that a number of people set it to gives me headaches with how far back they are. I want to see what's outside the cockpit, not the cockpit.

[Keratine]

Krivvan, on 01 August 2013 - 02:28 PM, said:

I actually rather like the default FOV. The FOV that a number of people set it to gives me headaches with how far back they are. I want to see what's outside the cockpit, not the cockpit.

What? Default fov feels like drivng a car with you face 2 inches from the windshield.

I wish I could have tried 3pv, but lol 4-6am only.

[mrcrazymonkey]

Huge, on 01 August 2013 - 01:57 PM, said:

Interpret it how you want if nothing else you go directly to your bank, credit union, or card company and explain the situation to them. Cite you were given a false description of goods and you want your money back. They will rip it out of their lying hand if need be. The card company almost universally sides with the consumer in these kinds of disputes.

Woah watch out everyone, we have an internet lawyer here. Since you appear to be the only claiming the PGI stole your money, why don't you do this and put your money where your mouth is.