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[Gallowglas]

Huge, on 01 August 2013 - 10:42 AM, said:

Oh no nothing that extreme. You're just fine with people stealing from you and lying to your face. Your Father must be proud of the respectable lad you turned out to be.

Geez, man. Do you not realize how over-the-top overwrought that sounds? My father happens to be very proud of me and I happen to be a man of extreme principle. The world sure is going to seem like a mean place to you if you're so worked up that you think a man's character is tarnished by his viewpoint about 3PV.

[GrnMonster]

I love how people, who have actually played with it, are saying "it's not that bad", and "it's fairly well balanced with pluses and minuses", and "the people in the games are actually saying it's not that big of a deal".

And despite that, some people are still saying "OMG DEATH OF MWO!!! f*&k YOU PGI!!" without even having tried it out yet.

Preconceived notions are amazing things and it's incredible how some people will hang on to them and refuse to let them go no matter what reasonable argument is presented to them. In fact some of the folks in here should run for Congress because that seems to be the first requirement to be elected these days.

[Huge]

Gallowglas, on 01 August 2013 - 10:44 AM, said:

Geez, man. Do you not realize how over-the-top overwrought that sounds? My father happens to be very proud of me and I happen to be a man of extreme principle. The world sure is going to seem like a mean place to you if you're so worked up that you think a man's character is tarnished by his viewpoint about 3PV.

Nice dodging of the point. Almost as good as PGI dodges questions about 3PV, coolant, and the utter lack CW.

[Hotthedd]

One has to wonder where the game might be if these resources used on 3PV were instead focused on:

A lobby
Community Warfare
A decent matchmaker
More Maps

Or any one of the things MW:O actually NEEDS.

[Roland]

Quote

-Arms semi locked
-no minimap
-"I am here, click me!" light on the camera drone
-Cross hair bobs
-no free look (thank god, gods, etc.)

In terms of Free look, isn't that pretty much a moot point? Since you can already see more than you could in the entire range of free look?

That is, you can actually see everything that you could possibly see with free look, but you can see it at the same time, without having to actually look around.

Likewise, with the arms "semi locked" aren't they still displaying the same range as they do when you're in the cockpit? It just appears less because the camera is further back? Or are they literally always locked to the torso reticle?

[GroovYChickeN]

DeathofSelf, on 01 August 2013 - 10:27 AM, said:

Uh... If they want to sell us stuff, then yeah, I would say that we get to tell them what to do, and if they don't want to listen then they don't get our money

Yeah..... they are still making money juuuuuust fine.

Huge, on 01 August 2013 - 10:25 AM, said:

Because this game is only alive because of the Founder's and their overly generous early contributions. Contributions that were collected when PGI made promises about the kind of game we would be getting. If they said they were making Mech Assault: Online. It would not have gotten nearly as much support because most BT fans enjoy the simulation aspect of the game.

Now a year later they are breaking those promises and destroying the pillars the game was supposed to be built on.

After they used our money to do exactly what they said they were not going to.

I would expect a reasonable person to recognize when they're getting pumped behind a dumpers but I can clearly see MWO is infested with your kind. People with no standards or principles. PGI can crap in your cereal every morning and you would thank them for their generation personal attention to their player base.

LOL! "infested with my kind" HAHAHA!
Yes the kind that has given PGI money as well and isn't complaining about 3pv.

I've been playing/supporing BT/MW since the early 90's. Get off your high horse. There are fans of the universe who do not care about 3pv because, *GASP* IT'S A GAME. Seriously calm down or go away.

Also have you even played on the test server yet? I just did 3 drops in my Death Knell and 3pv is laughably bad. It's a complete liability. EVERYONE know where you are when you have it on.

[Codex Clavdex]

Regulus1990, on 01 August 2013 - 10:42 AM, said:

While it does offer a decent visual advantage, you're arms are locked, you have a bright blinking "I am here, click me!" light above your head. you can't free look like you can in 1pv, you're minimap is missing (which is what I personally use to keep track of my torso/leg positioning.), and the camera bobs up and down like a drunkard. The only outright advantage is a commander of an 8 man group co-coordinating the rest of the team, and light 'mechs when they're scouting and capturing (in combat they'll have to use 1pv or lose a lot of accuracy due to the bob is severe on lights.

the list:
+Situation awareness
+Light 'mech controlability due to vision increase
+Commanders can see the battlefield better

-Arms semi locked
-no minimap
-"I am here, click me!" light on the camera drone
-Cross hair bobs
-no free look (thank god, gods, etc.)

+/-/? You can look at your 'Mechs fancy arse/back.

If I play with it available I'll probably use it until I see a target then zip back to 1pv for rest of fight.

the problem is that all of the negative things about 3PV currently can easily be "corrected" once they get 3PV foot in the door and us pure BT fans calmed down about 3PV being in the game. Based on PGI's track record I fully expect them to slowly buff 3PV so eventually there wont be a reason to ever play in 1PV mode. RIP MECH SIM

[Trynn]

So you feel that because you paid a few bucks a year ago, and have played how many hours since, that PGI owes you something? Your arrogance astounds me, especially when you start talkiing trash about people liking to be violated behind dumpsters.

Should you not like the direction they have gone, State your case (which you have done) and then should you not like the respose you have a choice, Depart for greener pastures, and stop whinning like a 2 year old with a toothache.

PGI has provided us with hours of entertainment (and many more hours for me to come) which more that makes up for the few boobles you spent on the founders package effectivly a year ago.


Sir, please mature, and take some anger management classes, you are far to EMO

I am not keen on the 3pv, I will test it tonight when i am home from work, but from what I am seeing and reading, they way they have implemented it is satisfactory (albeit I will play "harcode" modes when it goes live)

Please test it, and use the channels they have set up to provide your (pardon the pun) point of view, enough people dont like it, then they may reconsider, but one whinning rude arrogant jerk, does not make up the player base. You are one vote amongst many deal with it.

[Belorion]

Hotthedd, on 01 August 2013 - 10:47 AM, said:

One has to wonder where the game might be if these resources used on 3PV were instead focused on:

A lobby
Community Warfare
A decent matchmaker
More Maps

Or any one of the things MW:O actually NEEDS.

They stated that this one was easy, and that it didn't take a whole lot to implement... so probably not much further if at all.

[DeathofSelf]

GroovYChickeN, on 01 August 2013 - 10:48 AM, said:

Yeah..... they are still making money juuuuuust fine.

Ok well, if that is in fact the case then good for them I guess... But that certainly doesn't mean I can't voice my disappointment for the direction they are taking the game, and definitely doesn't mean I am not going to vote with my wallet.

[Hammertrial]

Belorion, on 01 August 2013 - 10:51 AM, said:

They stated that this one was easy, and that it didn't take a whole lot to implement... so probably not much further if at all.

lol, it's one of the few things CryEngine doesn't have to be blugeoned with a toolchest to get working.

[GroovYChickeN]

Trynn, on 01 August 2013 - 10:51 AM, said:

So you feel that because you paid a few bucks a year ago, and have played how many hours since, that PGI owes you something? Your arrogance astounds me, especially when you start talkiing trash about people liking to be violated behind dumpsters.

Should you not like the direction they have gone, State your case (which you have done) and then should you not like the respose you have a choice, Depart for greener pastures, and stop whinning like a 2 year old with a toothache.

PGI has provided us with hours of entertainment (and many more hours for me to come) which more that makes up for the few boobles you spent on the founders package effectivly a year ago.


Sir, please mature, and take some anger management classes, you are far to EMO

I am not keen on the 3pv, I will test it tonight when i am home from work, but from what I am seeing and reading, they way they have implemented it is satisfactory (albeit I will play "harcode" modes when it goes live)

Please test it, and use the channels they have set up to provide your (pardon the pun) point of view, enough people dont like it, then they may reconsider, but one whinning rude arrogant jerk, does not make up the player base. You are one vote amongst many deal with it.

well said

[Huge]

Trynn, on 01 August 2013 - 10:51 AM, said:

So you feel that because you paid a few bucks a year ago, and have played how many hours since, that PGI owes you something? Your arrogance astounds me, especially when you start talkiing trash about people liking to be violated behind dumpsters.

Should you not like the direction they have gone, State your case (which you have done) and then should you not like the respose you have a choice, Depart for greener pastures, and stop whinning like a 2 year old with a toothache.

PGI has provided us with hours of entertainment (and many more hours for me to come) which more that makes up for the few boobles you spent on the founders package effectivly a year ago.


Sir, please mature, and take some anger management classes, you are far to EMO

I am not keen on the 3pv, I will test it tonight when i am home from work, but from what I am seeing and reading, they way they have implemented it is satisfactory (albeit I will play "harcode" modes when it goes live)

Please test it, and use the channels they have set up to provide your (pardon the pun) point of view, enough people dont like it, then they may reconsider, but one whinning rude arrogant jerk, does not make up the player base. You are one vote amongst many deal with it.

YOU SIR ARE NOT ENTITLED TO THE THINGS YOU PAID FOR!

STOP THIS ENDLESS CHATTER ABOUT 'PROMISES'.

IT WAS MY POSITION AT THE TIME.

[ManDaisy]

GroovYChickeN, on 01 August 2013 - 10:48 AM, said:

Yeah..... they are still making money juuuuuust fine.



LOL! "infested with my kind" HAHAHA!
Yes the kind that has given PGI money as well and isn't complaining about 3pv.

I've been playing/supporing BT/MW since the early 90's. Get off your high horse. There are fans of the universe who do not care about 3pv because, *GASP* IT'S A GAME. Seriously calm down or go away.

Also have you even played on the test server yet? I just did 3 drops in my Death Knell and 3pv is laughably bad. It's a complete liability. EVERYONE know where you are when you have it on.

OMG! You Sir are a complete LIAR! I Dropped in my death knell with 3rd person turned it me into a living god! SO WHAT IF THEY KNOW WHERE YOU ARE. Its like your NEO in the friggin matrix!

Edited by ManDaisy, 01 August 2013 - 10:58 AM.

[GroovYChickeN]

DeathofSelf, on 01 August 2013 - 10:52 AM, said:

Ok well, if that is in fact the case then good for them I guess... But that certainly doesn't mean I can't voice my disappointment for the direction they are taking the game, and definitely doesn't mean I am not going to vote with my wallet.

Good for you. I encourage that way of thinking.

The problem is thinking that your opinion is the only valid one. To say that they are not going to make any money because of 3pv then you are mistaken and need to reevaluate how you got to that conclusion.

Now like I said if you don't want to support PGI then don't. But don't come on the forums and spew venom and hate and everyone just because the dev's did something you don't like. (Not that you necessarily were, just a general statement)

[Belorion]

Roland, on 01 August 2013 - 10:47 AM, said:

That is, you can actually see everything that you could possibly see with free look, but you can see it at the same time, without having to actually look around.

Except you are giving your own position away in the process...

Roland, on 01 August 2013 - 10:47 AM, said:

Likewise, with the arms "semi locked" aren't they still displaying the same range as they do when you're in the cockpit? It just appears less because the camera is further back? Or are they literally always locked to the torso reticle?

Locked to the torso.

and no minimap.

[Fishhawk]

Codex Clavdex, on 01 August 2013 - 10:49 AM, said:

the problem is that all of the negative things about 3PV currently can easily be "corrected" once they get 3PV foot in the door and us pure BT fans calmed down about 3PV being in the game. Based on PGI's track record I fully expect them to slowly buff 3PV so eventually there wont be a reason to ever play in 1PV mode. RIP MECH SIM

You are just postulating on this. I don't think their plan is to make 3PV the "go to" view. Otherwise they would have started off the game in 3PV.

[Huge]

Fishhawk, on 01 August 2013 - 11:00 AM, said:

You are just postulating on this. I don't think their plan is to make 3PV the "go to" view. Otherwise they would have started off the game in 3PV.

The problem with that is the Founder's wanted a 1PV simulator and mech assault 3 would not have sold nearly as well.

Now that they have our money and are hurting for new players they can abandon their commitments to us and do as they please. They already have your cash.

[Belorion]

Since there is no minimap, there is no seismic either.

[Hotthedd]

Okay I have tested out the 3PV.

Anyone who claims that it does not give a massive advantage is being intellectually dishonest.

Sure, nobody will play an entire match in 3PV, but since 3PV is an instant toggle, it is easy to gain a situational advantage, then retract the camera. It completely breaks the immersion for me.