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Zerik, on 12 August 2013 - 12:53 PM, said:

If we're going to lose anyway, I'm going down in style.

...If we are going down, you are going down with me!

[Funkadelic Mayhem]

Victor Morson, on 18 August 2013 - 02:33 PM, said:

I find these guys easy to deal with.

If your last light is being dumb and hiding in a no-win scenario, just call out their exact position on public chat.

It's not hurting your team, if your team has no way to win in the first place.

~*NEW PLAYERS*~

Just report anyone who does this and send them on the vacation the jaded founders should have been sent on a long time ago.


No one forces them to spectate. Just because a founder thinks you should play your game their way does not mean you have to.

Calling out your teams location is a breach of the code of conduct, and is... LMAO not honorable. (i laugh because this ^ guy calls out people for not playing HIS honorable game his way, which is so far form honor it smells more like bantha poodoo. Makes me wonder if he wants it to fail, I believe people and jaded founders like him do want this game to fail. In their old age they can say "I told you so" instead of looking in the mirror.


"Team Treason
Treasonous provision of information to enemy combatants, also known as "bird-doging" is forbidden. This involves a player using the in-game chat to provide the enemy team with the locations of their own team mates. While we appreciate that some players may wish to have a round end early by calling out the location of an AFK team-mate, the risk that this could be used against an active participant of the match to deny them the use of cover and movement makes this a form of a griefing. You may declare a teammate AFK but not their coordinates or position." -Niko Snow

Edited by Funkadelic Mayhem, 19 August 2013 - 01:59 AM.

[Victor Morson]

Funkadelic Mayhem, on 19 August 2013 - 01:09 AM, said:

Just report anyone who does this and send them on the vacation the jaded founders should have been sent on a long time ago.

No one forces them to spectate. Just because a founder thinks you should play your game their way does not mean you have to.

Calling out your teams location is a breach of the code of conduct,

Are you high? It's in no way a breach of code of conduct. If anyone the pilot that's attempting to power down and hide to drag a match out by several minutes is disrupting the game far worse than anyone.

Funkadelic Mayhem, on 19 August 2013 - 01:09 AM, said:

and is... LMAO not honorable. (i laugh because this ^ guy calls out people for not playing HIS honorable game his way, which is so far form honor it smells more like bantha poodoo. Makes me wonder if he wants it to fail, I believe people and jaded founders like him do want this game to fail. In their old age they can say "I told you so" instead of looking in the mirror.

Because clearly, wanting the game to fail is the reason I don't want the last guy in a match to run off and power down in some remote corner with the express intent of dragging out the clock. Again, if someone has ANY chance of victory - fine. If someone is actively trying to engage - fine.

But this crap is the same thing as back in early RTS games where you had to kill all units, and someone would hide an infantryman on the map to drag the game out just to be a {Richard Cameron}.

[Caswallon]

Victor Morson, on 19 August 2013 - 01:30 AM, said:

Are you high? It's in no way a breach of code of conduct. If anyone the pilot that's attempting to power down and hide to drag a match out by several minutes is disrupting the game far worse than anyone.

I think Funkey Man is referring to this Victor

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Team Treason
[color=#959595]Treasonous provision of information to enemy combatants, also known as "bird-doging" is forbidden. This involves a player using the in-game chat to provide the enemy team with the locations of their own team mates. While we appreciate that some players may wish to have a round end early by calling out the location of an AFK team-mate, the risk that this could be used against an active participant of the match to deny them the use of cover and movement makes this a form of a griefing. You may declare a teammate AFK but not their coordinates or position.

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[color=#959595]Taken from Niko snows post on greifing [/color]http://mwomercs.com/...ploitsgriefing/

Sorry dude but it really looks like you just advocated griefing like this to me. Perhaps ignorantly but that depends on weather you retract it after reading the above.

I appreciate as I have said elswhere its a PITA if someone holds on to the bitter end but its IS their choice and you didn't HAVE to watch. If your time is SO valuable you can't wait 5 mins or less for them to go down attempting whatever strategy (or lack therof!) then your too stressed m'man!

[Funkadelic Mayhem]

Victor Morson, on 19 August 2013 - 01:30 AM, said:

Are you high? It's in no way a breach of code of conduct. If anyone the pilot that's attempting to power down and hide to drag a match out by several minutes is disrupting the game far worse than anyone.



Because clearly, wanting the game to fail is the reason I don't want the last guy in a match to run off and power down in some remote corner with the express intent of dragging out the clock. Again, if someone has ANY chance of victory - fine. If someone is actively trying to engage - fine.

But this crap is the same thing as back in early RTS games where you had to kill all units, and someone would hide an infantryman on the map to drag the game out just to be a {Richard Cameron}.

Do you even listen to yourself? Are you an adult or a kid? I mean I poke fun and make a lot of over the top jokes and overly silly for laughs sakes, but come on man, are you for real? Or are you just so jaded you cant see your a problem? Or is it you cant help but live in the past with all the festered up hate and anger?


As Caswallon just posted:

http://mwomercs.com/...ploitsgriefing/

Team Treason
Treasonous provision of information to enemy combatants, also known as "bird-doging" is forbidden. This involves a player using the in-game chat to provide the enemy team with the locations of their own team mates. While we appreciate that some players may wish to have a round end early by calling out the location of an AFK team-mate, the risk that this could be used against an active participant of the match to deny them the use of cover and movement makes this a form of a griefing. You may declare a teammate AFK but not their coordinates or position.

[Victor Morson]

Funkadelic Mayhem, on 19 August 2013 - 01:57 AM, said:

Do you even listen to yourself? Are you an adult or a kid? I mean I poke fun and make a lot of over the top jokes and overly silly for laughs sakes, but come on man, are you for real? Or are you just so jaded you cant see your a problem? Or is it you cant help but live in the past with all the festered up hate and anger?


As Caswallon just posted:

http://mwomercs.com/...ploitsgriefing/

Team Treason
Treasonous provision of information to enemy combatants, also known as "bird-doging" is forbidden. This involves a player using the in-game chat to provide the enemy team with the locations of their own team mates. While we appreciate that some players may wish to have a round end early by calling out the location of an AFK team-mate, the risk that this could be used against an active participant of the match to deny them the use of cover and movement makes this a form of a griefing. You may declare a teammate AFK but not their coordinates or position.

This is a fairly new rule that I absolutely guarantee not written with people hiding in far corners making no effort to win in mind, at all. That is, in it's self, a massive form of griefing impacting a lot of people for your own selfish "I don't want to play the game so I'm going to make you all wait" attitude.

I've taken the time to write Niko about a rule clarification. There is a huge difference between a light holding a cap point lead hiding to win and one that's got no way to win hiding because you are afraid your virtual 'mech might get damaged.

PS: What does jadedness have to do with not wanting to wait 7 minutes for a team to march across Terra Therma because you're griefing everyone in the match? What is behavior that outright damages the game. You literally lose nothing for fighting & dying, trying to continue to cap, you name it.

Edited by Victor Morson, 19 August 2013 - 02:04 AM.

[Funkadelic Mayhem]

Victor Morson, on 19 August 2013 - 02:01 AM, said:

This is a fairly new rule that I absolutely guarantee not written with people hiding in far corners making no effort to win in mind, at all. That is, in it's self, a massive form of griefing impacting a lot of people for your own selfish "I don't want to play the game so I'm going to make you all wait" attitude.

you miss the point.
NO...... ONE...... IS...... FORCING......YOU...... TO..... WATCH....... YOU..... CAN...... GET..... A .....DRINK..... OR....... HUG.......YOUR...... KIDS...... OR.......GOD......FORBID........START.......A.....NEW.....MATCH..... IN......A...... DIFFERENT......MECH!



again, I have to ask. Do you even listen to yourself? You sound like an overbearing know it all parent whos kid just explained to the them the sky is black, it just looks blue, and you telling them they are wrong because "rabble rabble grrrr your grounded!".

Edited by Funkadelic Mayhem, 19 August 2013 - 02:12 AM.

[Victor Morson]

Funkadelic Mayhem, on 19 August 2013 - 02:08 AM, said:

you miss the point. NO...... ONE...... IS...... FORCING......YOU...... TO..... WATCH....... YOU..... CAN...... GET..... A .....DRINK..... OR....... HUG.......YOUR...... KIDS...... OR.......GOD......FORBID........START.......A.....NEW.....MATCH..... IN......A...... DIFFERENT......MECH!

YOU ARE.. FORCING.. EVERYONE'S.. 'MECH.. AND.. MODULES.. TO STAY.. IN MATCH

Do you understand that?

Funkadelic Mayhem, on 19 August 2013 - 02:08 AM, said:

again, I have to ask. Do you even listen to yourself? You sound like an overbearing know it all parent whos kid just explained to the them the sky is black, it just looks blue, and you telling them they are wrong.

And you come across as someone who desperately wishes they were a hippie in the 60s, but are doing it wrong, most of the time. (i.e. "Down with the over 30s man they're all jaded and the cynics or something!") It's so pronounced and OTT I sometimes honestly am not sure if you are a serious account or not. It's really gimmicky.

Edited by Victor Morson, 19 August 2013 - 02:15 AM.

[Caswallon]

Victor Morson, on 19 August 2013 - 02:01 AM, said:

This is a fairly new rule that I absolutely guarantee not written with people hiding in far corners making no effort to win in mind, at all. That is, in it's self, a massive form of griefing impacting a lot of people for your own selfish "I don't want to play the game so I'm going to make you all wait" attitude.

I was not aware that founders were consulted so much on rules formation Victor thanks for making this plainer. Lets see if they agree with you on this one.

Victor Morson, on 19 August 2013 - 02:01 AM, said:

I've taken the time to write Niko about a rule clarification. There is a huge difference between a light holding a cap point lead hiding to win and one that's got no way to win hiding because you are afraid your virtual 'mech might get damaged.

Much appreciated, but still does not change the fact you just advocated folks to breech the CURRENT rules of the game. Bad show sir bad show. If you don't like a rule petition to get it changed don't go into open rebellion as first option.

Victor Morson, on 19 August 2013 - 02:01 AM, said:

PS: What does jadedness have to do with not wanting to wait 7 minutes for a team to march across Terra Therma because you're griefing everyone in the match? What is behavior that outright damages the game. You literally lose nothing for fighting & dying, trying to continue to cap, you name it.

Beats me why a founder still only has one Mech and has no choice but to watch out to the bitter end a dreary Noob filled match (BTW why are dropping in groups with such inexperienced or bloody-minded players Vic?)

Edit: Ah you have a point about those expensive modules tied up that I had not considered. There are always in a last resort the trial mechs if ya just wanna play but those things are expensive even for older players. Even so its only 5 mins we're worrying about I can't see the stress myself but each to thier own.

Edited by Caswallon, 19 August 2013 - 02:24 AM.

[Victor Morson]

Ah ha. I do believe you've just been owned Funkadelic. It's a TOS violation to do what you're doing!

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Non-Participation Abuse
If a player has joined a match, they must have launched the game with intent to play. Players who are not moving, or are otherwise not participating in the spirit of the game, fall under this category. While we all understand the call of nature: Repeated abuse of this behaviour, similarly to 'Mech Suicide and Team Killing, results in an unfair advantage for the enemy teams, and is thus not considered acceptable use. Please keep in mind that idling on your cap point without armour or moving does not constitute a form of tactical "Base Defense".

So you're right. I advise everyone to NOT call out these positions, but instead take screenshots and report the hiding 'mechs.

Caswallon, on 19 August 2013 - 02:17 AM, said:

Much appreciated, but still does not change the fact you just advocated folks to breech the CURRENT rules of the game. Bad show sir bad show. If you don't like a rule petition to get it changed don't go into open rebellion as first option.

Please look at the rule above.

I apologize for my earlier suggestion to call their coordinates, I was unaware of that rule being added (in the last month, I haven't checked for two or so). That said what you are doing is directly against the rules, so yeah.

Edited by Victor Morson, 19 August 2013 - 02:21 AM.

[Funkadelic Mayhem]

Victor Morson, on 19 August 2013 - 02:13 AM, said:

YOU ARE.. FORCING.. EVERYONE'S.. 'MECH.. AND.. MODULES.. TO STAY.. IN MATCH

Do you understand that?



And you come across as someone who desperately wishes they were a hippie in the 60s, but are doing it wrong, most of the time. (i.e. "Down with the over 30s man they're all jaded and the cynics or something!")

Buy more modules, you have at least 4 mechs.
and to the last thing....

“The search for scapegoats is essentially an abnegation of responsibility: it indicates an inability to assess honestly and intelligently the true nature of the problems which lie at the root of social and economic difficulties and a lack of resolve in grappling with them.” ― Aung San Suu Kyi, Freedom from Fear

[Caswallon]

Uh oh too hot.

Gents can we agree to disagree until a Mod gives a ruling as Victor asked for. Irony is one thing this is getting too personal. The rule is what it is for now, lets see what PGI say.

I only want to fight IN game with any of you.

Cas - out

[Victor Morson]

Caswallon, on 19 August 2013 - 02:20 AM, said:

Uh oh too hot.

Gents can we agree to disagree until a Mod gives a ruling as Victor asked for. Irony is one thing this is getting too personal. The rule is what it is for now, lets see what PGI say.

I only want to fight IN game with any of you.

Cas - out

Yep, the rule is what it is: Doing exactly what you are defending as acceptable is directly against the rules.

So do you agree to not directly break the spirit, and letter, of the law from here on out Funkadelic and actually not hide in no-win scenarios?

Edited by Victor Morson, 19 August 2013 - 02:27 AM.

[Funkadelic Mayhem]

Victor Morson, on 19 August 2013 - 02:18 AM, said:

Ah ha. I do believe you've just been owned Funkadelic. It's a TOS violation to do what you're doing!

unless they are waiting for the mob of premades to break up enough to take the most heavily damaged ones out and still have a fighting chance. But YOU never give anyone that chance. You just flip out and call out locations. See you will never get true honor, you just want to do it prison style. Shame on you jaded mech pilots. I get it TT is hard to come by nowadays, but you had your run. Let the new generation show you how its done.

Edited by Funkadelic Mayhem, 19 August 2013 - 02:33 AM.

[Victor Morson]

Funkadelic Mayhem, on 19 August 2013 - 02:29 AM, said:

unless they are waiting for the mob of premades to break up enough to take the most heavily damaged ones out and still have a fighting chance. But YOU never give anyone that chance. You just flip out and call out locations. See you will never get true honor, you just want to do it prison style. Shame on you jaded mech pilots. I get it TT is hard to come by nowadays, but you had your run. Let the new generation show you how its done.

The denial is strong in this one.

This thread is and always was about light 'mechs that power down and stretch the end of the fight out. It was always about the last 'mech left. Hiding as a strategic move in the game is fine but that is not at all what you, I, or anyone here was discussing.

What you were directly stating over and over again is that it was cool if you were the last 'mech left to run off and hide and avoid a fight and just let the enemy complete objectives.

That is directly and clearly a violation of the rules.

Don't turn this around, and there is no way to word your way out. What you were endorsing is clearly, clearly a reportable offense. I was admittedly in error stating you could call your position, as it is a fairly new rule again (added in the last month), so I strongly encourage pilots to take screenshots and mail support instead.

Edited by Victor Morson, 19 August 2013 - 02:37 AM.

[Funkadelic Mayhem]

Victor Morson, on 19 August 2013 - 02:36 AM, said:

The denial is strong in this one.

This thread is and always was about light 'mechs that power down and stretch the end of the fight out. It was always about the last 'mech left. Hiding as a strategic move in the game is fine but that is not at all what you, I, or anyone here was discussing.

What you were directly stating over and over again is that it was cool if you were the last 'mech left to run off and hide and avoid a fight and just let the enemy complete objectives.

That is directly and clearly a violation of the rules.

not if the mech fought the entire fight and is forcing the other mechs to separate and look, or cap. Hiding, nothing wrong with except to jaded founders. You cant read minds....

As I said and will say for as long as this game is on the net. "YOU..... HAVE.... TO .... EARN..... MY...... SALVAGE....."

Edited by Funkadelic Mayhem, 19 August 2013 - 02:46 AM.

[Victor Morson]

Funkadelic Mayhem, on 19 August 2013 - 02:42 AM, said:

not if the mech fought the entire fight and is forcing the mech to separate and look, or cap. Hiding, nothing worng with except to jaded founders.

As I saind and will say for as long as this game is on the net. "YOU..... HAVE.... TO .... EARN..... MY...... SALVAGE....."

Please re-read the rules.

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Non-Participation Abuse
If a player has joined a match, they must have launched the game with intent to play. Players who are not moving, or are otherwise not participating in the spirit of the game, fall under this category. While we all understand the call of nature: Repeated abuse of this behaviour, similarly to 'Mech Suicide and Team Killing, results in an unfair advantage for the enemy teams, and is thus not considered acceptable use. Please keep in mind that idling on your cap point without armour or moving does not constitute a form of tactical "Base Defense".

Underlined sections are important.

The minute you break off and stop trying to win objectives or fight, and merely try to avoid a fight and/or hide and let the game end through clocks running down or objectives being taken, you are in a direct and clear violation no matter what you "chose" to believe and you can bet I - and now others thanks to this thread - will report you for it.

Time you stop blaming the "jaded founders" and start looking at the fact this was a direct rule added by PGI. You don't have a leg to stand on here man. You should apologize for your incorrect stance and let it go.

Edited by Victor Morson, 19 August 2013 - 02:46 AM.

[Funkadelic Mayhem]

Victor Morson, on 19 August 2013 - 02:45 AM, said:

Please re-read the rules.



Underlined sections are important.

The minute you break off and stop trying to win objectives or fight, and merely try to avoid a fight and/or hide and let the game end through clocks running down or objectives being taken, you are in a direct and clear violation no matter what you "chose" to believe and you can bet I - and now others thanks to this thread - will report you for it.

Time you stop blaming the "jaded founders" and start looking at the fact this was a direct rule added by PGI. You don't have a leg to stand on here man. You should apologize for your incorrect stance and let it go.

Someone may not be moving because they watching and waiting.
If someone is sitting on their cap point they
a: DC'd
b: farming (which I never said was ok)
c: if someone does not have armor and is at THEIR cap point, they are going to get smoked when the enemy comes along to cap anyways. PGI cant truly expect a mech with no armor and/or weapons to just bonzi it into the enemy mechs to appease you jaded founders. LOL you cant think very far can you, you just like your lolerstopms.

This rule you are holding onto to dear life is something you obviously dont understand. If someone is hiding and has damage done, They fulfilled their end by participating. I know you feel bad you got called out with the team treason rule. But really, someone with just 1 dmg hiding from 5 mechs... they precipitated in the match and are not in violation of the rule you dont understand very well. LMAO.... Come and earn my salvage.

Edited by Funkadelic Mayhem, 19 August 2013 - 03:15 AM.

[Victor Morson]

Funkadelic Mayhem, on 19 August 2013 - 02:59 AM, said:

Someone may not be moving because they watching and waiting.
If someone is sitting on their cap point they
a: DC'd
b: farming (which I never said was ok)
c: if someone does not have armor and is at THEIR cap point, they are going to get smoked when the enemy comes along to cap anyways. PGI cant truly expect a mech with no armor and/or weapons to just bonzi it into the enemy mechs to appease you jaded founders. LOL you cant think very far can you, you just like your lolerstopms.

This rule you are holding onto to dear life is something you obviously dont understand. If someone is hiding and has damage done, They fulfilled their end by participating. I know you feel bad you got called out with the team treason rule. But really, someone with just 1 dmg hiding from 5 mechs... they precipitated in the match and are not in violation of the rule you dont understand very well. LMAO.... Come and earn my salvage.

Funky, when I was wrong on the rules.. I admitted it.

But you cannot talk your way out of this. Disengaging and refusing to play the game or to try to play the game is a direct rule violation no matter the excuses or reasoning you use. I will make sure that as many people report it as possible in any game in which I witness it, too.

It specifically states that hiding when your armor is toast is not a valid defense of what you are doing. Specifically.

You might not like it, but hiding and not trying to achieve victory in the process = Reportable offense.

[Magna Canus]

I have a very negative example of "Bird *******" which happended a couple of weeks ago on Terra Therma. Terra Therma is a **** map for LRM boats like my Catapult C1. All of those high walls, especially at Theta, make it hard to do anything useful without plunging right in the middle of a brawl or "going solo" out around the enemy.

In any case, I had a pretty poor team or a really great enemy, either way they got creamed very very quickly while I was waiting for a good missile lock. I decided to JJ up onto one of the volcano's in sight of my base (it was an Assault match) and hope for a few good shots before the end, powering down of course and lay in wait.

It took the enemy a longer while to figure out what to do, search, whatever and one of the guys on my "Team" decided to chat out "I can see a base from where he is". Well, duh, I was waiting for the enemy to cap my base. I power up to turn my facing and *** the issue in the bud, but that was a bad idea, dude called out my position immediately. I still ended up getting 1 kill in the match, but he seriously said "If you would have followed the group we may have won". Ah yes, the magical C1 that carried the group....

Personally, I see nothing wrong with a mech who has fought the entire game to go and hide out the rest of the fight when he is the last one and has no hope of winning. In an assult map the enemy can cap the base, in a conquest match it all ends at 750 points. Either way, it is next to impossible to run the clock down completely without some eppic idiocy on the enemies side.

But hey, a new game is a click away and why sweat the last one, no matter how bad it may have been. I am not a founder and still have 5 mastered mechs I love to play and have earned enough cash to buy the "basic modules" for all of them. They are expensive, yes, but you really have to mismanage your cash to not be able to get at least 2 sets so you an switch mechs while you wait. Whatever do you do when you get killed early and the rest of the game runs on in full bloom?

Like noted above, get a coffee, go to the toilet, have a smoke, or maybe just rest your eyes a bit. If you are playing this game in a situation where you are severely under time pressure... well, you probably should not be playing then.