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[FlakAttack]

Nairdowell, on 12 June 2012 - 08:49 AM, said:

Many people cannot take anything seriously.... They are only looking for what they themselves can get... Unfortunately...

Beta testing IS a honor... and a responsibility.... but not everyone can be a tester... and be a good tester.... and based only on what people post as true cannot be used, for obvious reasons..... random is, unfortunately, the only way to go...

Wow are you guys overreacting. Beta testing isn't an "honor", it's work. You are paid with early access in exchange for bug reports and game metrics. It is nothing more or less than that.

As for the tinfoil hat crowd, please understand that every single closed beta I've seen operated this way. They let in small batches at once, slowly gathering metrics on both gameplay and server load. They also target the batches, grabbing different types of crowds, based on things like system specs, gaming interests (a person who typically plays RTS games is not the same as an FPS gamer and has different wants and needs), gaming and beta testing experience (they want both complete noobs and experts) and familiarity with the franchise, if that's applicable.

They are looking for specific types of people with each batch, and yes, that may mean you don't belong to one of those, or that your "type" is so common that you are less likely to get picked. It's not completely random. That said, they are doing it this way for the betterment of the game. That is what beta testing is all about.

Or did you whiners forget that and just assume beta is just early access to the game? I bet the game is only partially fleshed out anyway. I'm in no rush to play it in an unfinished state, and I'm quite surprised so many of you are.

Also, you guys realize you have to be 18 to legally sign an NDA right? From the maturity level of many of you, I highly doubt you guys are 18+.

Edited by FlakAttack, 13 June 2012 - 05:32 AM.

[CTec]

Mother-in-law is coming down the week of June 25th - 29th and daughter is getting married the 23rd. Funds allocated for Founders pack. Seems like some kind of test to me... do I brush off the wifes remaining (wealthy) parent and cut the time exposed to son-in-laws family who thinks me rude already. Humm, will the marriage of 22 years survive... We will see.

Give them all a C note and tell them to enjoy the Texas summer heat without me.

[GHQCommander]

Master Q, on 12 June 2012 - 08:40 AM, said:

But here goes.

I'm a little frustrated by the way beta keys are being handed out, and I'm sure many other people are as well. I know the devs say the only fair way is to do it random (plus their usual "friends and family" grouping), regardless of system spec. If I don't hit the beta-key lottery, so be it. I can deal with frustration if I trust there's a good game coming and a good team of beta-testers doing their job, testing well, and not holding back exploits for their own use later or otherwise tilting the system too hard.

What is annoying me is how unseriously this seems to be taken, though. MWO is a chance for Mechwarrior, and actual simulation games, to come back. It's a big chance and a big leap after the damage done to the concept, the Battletech/Mechwarrior franchise, and the overall Mech games idea by over a decade in which all we had to work with was *shudder* MechAssault, Chromehounds, and Armored-Core level garbageware.

And now with this beta, it sometimes seems like the beta isn't a beta at all, it's a cheesy word-of-mouth campaign. A whole lot of people breaking NDA. It's making me lose that faith about the coming game a little. It's actually making me less inclined to go for the Founder's Pack, and I already had the 60 bucks set aside a month ago.

If you got into the beta, you got an honor. You got a chance to really help Pirahna make MWO shine and bring Mechwarrior itself back from the land of dead, rescue it from all the damage certain people did to the brand years before. Please, treat it as such. Take it seriously, ok?

How many accounts do you have?

Your posting with the one that only has 17 posts?

I got to assume you have multiple accounts and one with maybe 500 posts to be someone who feels they can turn up to get beta access as the click of a finger. I don't believe forum posts should give access, but dude you've only just come on the show. How interested in the game can you really be.

I think you might be just complaining for the sake of it as trolls do.

[GHQCommander]

FlakAttack, on 13 June 2012 - 05:30 AM, said:

Wow are you guys overreacting. Beta testing isn't an "honor", it's work. You are paid with early access in exchange for bug reports and game metrics. It is nothing more or less than that.

As for the tinfoil hat crowd, please understand that every single closed beta I've seen operated this way. They let in small batches at once, slowly gathering metrics on both gameplay and server load. They also target the batches, grabbing different types of crowds, based on things like system specs, gaming interests (a person who typically plays RTS games is not the same as an FPS gamer and has different wants and needs), gaming and beta testing experience (they want both complete noobs and experts) and familiarity with the franchise, if that's applicable.

They are looking for specific types of people with each batch, and yes, that may mean you don't belong to one of those, or that your "type" is so common that you are less likely to get picked. It's not completely random. That said, they are doing it this way for the betterment of the game. That is what beta testing is all about.

Or did you whiners forget that and just assume beta is just early access to the game? I bet the game is only partially fleshed out anyway. I'm in no rush to play it in an unfinished state, and I'm quite surprised so many of you are.

Also, you guys realize you have to be 18 to legally sign an NDA right? From the maturity level of many of you, I highly doubt you guys are 18+.

I agree and I'm spreading the same word on posts hoping for some education effects which may lead to patience.

Some people are taking it too far. Suggesting founders package is a bad buy because it does not give beta access.

Why don't they just complain that they can't help develop the game as part of the founders package, really get stupid about it.

Edited by GHQCommander, 13 June 2012 - 06:55 AM.

[chumppi]

OP, you're less likely to buy Founder's Package because morons are saying or trolling that they're in beta? Sir, you're an.. unintelligent human.

Edited by chumppi, 13 June 2012 - 07:57 AM.

[Robby Vitriolic]

I would be willing to forego my shot at the closed beta if in doing so I could blacklist one of the members that made a heartfelt "true fans are being left out of the beta" post.

[THUMPER]

Maybe it has already been said here but I must have missed it.

Beta testing in todays and future F2P online games are a must. Companies have to have a way to gage the attraction and functionality across the whole of their target customers for products they are releasing so they can gage the amount of CASH they are going to make. The more information they get and the better the release day 1 is going to keep the investors eager to continue to fund the development until it can be passed over to........ well the customer.

What I don't think has been said (at least not outloud) is that the release of this game is NOT, I repeat NOT, being made to soley satisfy the old guard of the BattleTech or MW community. Plain and simple, this game is being released to make.... wait for it............MONEY. Today that means getting the F2P community to stop spending their money on other games. One of the most popular way to do that these days is to ensure that a companies "offering" is scattered across all potential customers.

Closed betas, open betas and freeplay weekends are here to stay like it or not. It has been mentioned that this is some sort of marketing/sales ploy, of course it is. Is it the main reason for it? no, but a lil side benefit never hurt anyone. So howling about who has access to beta keys is just silly and quite frankly pretty arrogant (In the case of folks that think they deserve a key because they can spout clan lore or pretend that they were with the NW Highlanders from the start)

I think that the real issue with the release of MWO as a F2P is going to be the arcade, run and gun style play that IS going to attract the type of gamers that this game will need, those with the money to instantly satisfy their need to get an edge and those that wouldn't know what to do in a drop that lasts more than 15 minutes as their attention would surely fade.

I have seen the tubes and have read the forums but.. I have yet to see or hear what an actual game mode is going to be like. I'm still thinking that a WOT clone is here. Small maps, pre chosen attack/defend points, and the lil gigglers spouting newb because yer stats aren't good. And oh yeah grind, grind, grind.

I have been wrong before and will be again. I sure hope I am this time.

The Original THUMPER

[Star Captain Obvious Kerensky]

Whenever you feel down about not having a Beta key remember: You might not like the Beta as it is right now.

Sometimes its better to wait for the finished, polished product.

[GHQCommander]

Duma, on 12 June 2012 - 10:51 AM, said:

There you have it. Folks are ******** about BETA keys like... it's a game ready to play. Wrong answer. It's a closed BETA test. Key word being "test". Not "play".

People seriously need to do something besides live on the forums.

Yes your right, my 202 posts too your 2 posts shows I'm sad dude

It usually takes a brand new user to say it straight sometimes. I been saying it all day, closed beta = part of development not an offer or competition entry

[Sychodemus]

Post counts and join dates are measures of time, not wisdom.

Just because someone doesn't have any posts to their credit doesn't mean that they haven't been reading the forums. I say this because of late people have been using post counts as a reason to dismiss others, regardless of the substance of their post. I prefer someone with 1 post to their credit write something polite, intelligent and meaningful rather than someone with 10,000 to spew hateful and ignorant nonsense.

Besides the matter of courtesy, it is also advisable to not assume anything about a "new" poster. Not every writer, actor, artist or expert likes to advertise themselves as such (and often they have limited time to visit forums anyway.) The person you just summarily dismissed might actually be someone who knows what they are talking about.


(This is not directed at anyone specifically, but this thread is a target of opportunity for my own personal pet peeve. If I posted it in every thread in every forum that I feel deserves it, my post count would be staggering.)

[Solis Obscuri]

Sychodemus, on 13 June 2012 - 01:41 PM, said:

Post counts and join dates are measures of time, not wisdom.

Just because someone doesn't have any posts to their credit doesn't mean that they haven't been reading the forums. I say this because of late people have been using post counts as a reason to dismiss others, regardless of the substance of their post. I prefer someone with 1 post to their credit write something polite, intelligent and meaningful rather than someone with 10,000 to spew hateful and ignorant nonsense.

Besides the matter of courtesy, it is also advisable to not assume anything about a "new" poster. Not every writer, actor, artist or expert likes to advertise themselves as such (and often they have limited time to visit forums anyway.) The person you just summarily dismissed might actually be someone who knows what they are talking about.


(This is not directed at anyone specifically, but this thread is a target of opportunity for my own personal pet peeve. If I posted it in every thread in every forum that I feel deserves it, my post count would be staggering.)

990 posts. Your argument is invalid.