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[Redwood Elf]

But the function that TAB is default mapped to is not in the options...so if you remap TAB to targeting like I did, there does not appear to be a way to get back the functionality that TAB used to control and set it to "R" or some other key.

[Davoke]

What...? All the games i know use "Tab" for scoreboard, and then use a button close to WASD; like "Q" or "R" for targetting. What game are you talking about?

[Redwood Elf]

Davoke, on 09 August 2013 - 03:42 PM, said:

What...? All the games i know use "Tab" for scoreboard, and then use a button close to WASD; like "Q" or "R" for targetting. What game are you talking about?

Every single MMO in the universe...from DAOC to WOW, from DDO to COH.

Anyone used to that function being on that key is GOING to want to remap tab.

Edited by Redwood Elf, 09 August 2013 - 03:54 PM.

[Finchypoo]

Redwood Elf, on 09 August 2013 - 03:53 PM, said:

Every single MMO in the universe...from DAOC to WOW, from DDO to COH.

Anyone used to that function being on that key is GOING to want to remap tab.

So like a handful of games with simple control schemes.

Q, E, R and other keys in the same general area have been used for targeting since the first mechwarriors and Earthseige. It's a long history of mech combat games. This is not an MMO, it doesn't need no stinking MMO keybinds.

[Drunk Canuck]

Redwood Elf, on 09 August 2013 - 03:53 PM, said:

Every single MMO in the universe...from DAOC to WOW, from DDO to COH.

Anyone used to that function being on that key is GOING to want to remap tab.

Yes, because a MMO shooter is the same as an MMO RPG with constant target switching...

[Corvus Antaka]

actually yu can rebind show scoreboard rather easily.

and other games do use TAB for scores, not just this one.

[Redwood Elf]

Drunk Canuck, on 09 August 2013 - 04:20 PM, said:

Yes, because a MMO shooter is the same as an MMO RPG with constant target switching...

It's called Muscle Memory.

And I still haven't found out what binding sets the "Show your teammates names and health on the battle grid" again...I must have remapped the key that did it at some point, and the tip just comes up saying "Press (unbound) to show teammate names and their health on the battle grid"

Edited by Redwood Elf, 09 August 2013 - 04:54 PM.

[Drunk Canuck]

Who cares? You are complaining about a franchise that has used very similar control mappings since it's inception? Seriously, stop complaining about this game since clearly you have never played any other MechWarrior game ever created. All of them used either Q, E, R, T, Y, F or G for cycling targets. TAB has never EVER been used in the MechWarrior franchise as a default keybind. Don't like it? Then change it. Why should everyone else conform to your casual MMORPG loving ways where the controls are all the same?

[Redwood Elf]

Drunk Canuck, on 09 August 2013 - 05:15 PM, said:

Who cares? You are complaining about a franchise that has used very similar control mappings since it's inception? Seriously, stop complaining about this game since clearly you have never played any other MechWarrior game ever created. All of them used either Q, E, R, T, Y, F or G for cycling targets. TAB has never EVER been used in the MechWarrior franchise as a default keybind. Don't like it? Then change it. Why should everyone else conform to your casual MMORPG loving ways where the controls are all the same?

Because we're all elitists, and we wouldn't want to make it easier for people coming in from other games to have an easier time adapting.

God forbid anyone who's never played the other mechwarrior computer games but HAS played TT for a long time should play THIS one...they must all be ostracized and called Noobs.

Loser.

Edited by Redwood Elf, 09 August 2013 - 05:52 PM.

[ICEFANG13]

Did you know you could rebind the keys to whatever you'd like? Also you could calm down. You like tab, fine, I like one of the mouse buttons.

[Funky Bacon]

Pretty much all shooter games use tab for score or some other function. I play a lot of games and I don't recall ever using tab for targeting.... maybe in some adventure MMO's, but yeah... this isn't an MMO. It's a First Person, PvP, mech, sim (debatable), shooter thingy.

You pilot, aim and shoot stuff... not point, click and activate skills.

[EyeDie I]

Drunk Canuck, on 09 August 2013 - 05:15 PM, said:

Who cares? You are complaining about a franchise that has used very similar control mappings since it's inception? Seriously, stop complaining about this game since clearly you have never played any other MechWarrior game ever created. All of them used either Q, E, R, T, Y, F or G for cycling targets. TAB has never EVER been used in the MechWarrior franchise as a default keybind. Don't like it? Then change it. Why should everyone else conform to your casual MMORPG loving ways where the controls are all the same?

your name should be Mean Drunk Canuck

[arghmace]

Who cares about the control schemes of MMO's like WoW. Every shooter all the way from Quake to WoT has always had TAB for score board.

[Tezcatli]

Aside from his over the top claim. There is a "Scoreboard" keybind right under "Show battlegrid" and above "Torso twist". So the whole thing is a moot point.
It's these knee jerk rage threads that don't help these forums.

[Redwood Elf]

Tezcatli, on 10 August 2013 - 08:45 AM, said:

Aside from his over the top claim. There is a "Scoreboard" keybind right under "Show battlegrid" and above "Torso twist". So the whole thing is a moot point.
It's these knee jerk rage threads that don't help these forums.

Actually, no, it's not a "moot point" - There ARE bindings that aren't on the binding list that can be unbound (like "Show teammate names and damage on the battlegrid" which I must have unbound at some point * because the "tip" for it reads "press (unbound) to show your teammate's health and names on the battle grid" and there are no unbound bindings on the options list.

So Yes, this is a bug in the game, and I'm SUGGESTING that it be fixed, and a bunch of elitists come into the thread essentially screaming "NO! THOU SHALT NOT CHANGE THY HOLY KEYBINDS! PERSECUTE! KILL THE HERETIC!"

* (I think it must have originally been "M", since I rebound the "B" for Battle Grid to "M" for "Map")

[Drunk Canuck]

Funky Bacon, on 09 August 2013 - 06:03 PM, said:

Pretty much all shooter games use tab for score or some other function. I play a lot of games and I don't recall ever using tab for targeting.... maybe in some adventure MMO's, but yeah... this isn't an MMO. It's a First Person, PvP, mech, sim (debatable), shooter thingy.

You pilot, aim and shoot stuff... not point, click and activate skills.

Shooters have never had target locking and target tracking. No FPS game I have ever played has that, especially on the PC. I don't recall Battlefield Bad Company 2 having a targeting system, neither of the Borderlands games has a targeting system, you have to aim manually. I am not sure exactly where the OP is getting this whole "shooters have tab targeting" thing from, because MechWarrior is the only shooter franchise I can recall from memory having the ability to cycle targets, but that is as much part of the lore as it is the game mechanics. Having played several MMORPG's over the course of the last decade, I can safely say those types of games have tab targeting because all the other keys have some other function involving your character, whether they open various pages, inventories or maps, but shooters do not. This game does not need tab targeting, however the lack of default keybinding for both forward and reverse targeting kind of irks me.

[Targaryen X]

Redwood Elf, on 10 August 2013 - 09:36 AM, said:

Actually, no, it's not a "moot point" - There ARE bindings that aren't on the binding list that can be unbound (like "Show teammate names and damage on the battlegrid" which I must have unbound at some point * because the "tip" for it reads "press (unbound) to show your teammate's health and names on the battle grid" and there are no unbound bindings on the options list.

There is a listing for the show friendly info you are talking about, there has to be because I remapped it to the 'insert' key. I play all games left handed, a bad habit I picked up many years ago playing MW2, joystick in right hand, mouse in left, then one day while gaming with a window open for a little fresh air the wind changed direction and Ive been stuck that way ever since.
I'd tell you what the entry it is but Im at work. The only keymap I have had to manually edit the keybinds for is to use my mousewheel for zoom, which for whatever reason the game wont let you do through the UI.
If I remember to Ill have a look when I get home.

edited to correct keymap reference.

Edited by Gederix, 13 August 2013 - 07:58 AM.

[Twisted Power]

This was a funny read. I don't know any FPS that has a tab target system. This isn't a MMO btw it is a FPS (soon to be also 3PS).

[Redwood Elf]

Twisted Power, on 12 August 2013 - 08:47 AM, said:

This was a funny read. I don't know any FPS that has a tab target system. This isn't a MMO btw it is a FPS (soon to be also 3PS).

Hey dummy, THIS one does...it's just default bound to the "R" key instead of "TAB" Nice troll attempt, thanks for playing.

[Targaryen X]

And Tab is by default mapped to Scoreboard, which is also in the keymappings six positions up from the 'set throttle 10%, 20% etc settings.
So remap your keys and go have fun. Or not. Choice is yours. And I wont tell you thanks for playing. Ill just think it real loud:)