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[Tennex]

If anybody has watched the competitive games recently, all they run ins cataphract-3D

[Huntsman]

Tennex, on 11 August 2013 - 09:15 AM, said:

If anybody has watched the competitive games recently, all they run ins cataphract-3D

The best defense against a lot of 3D Phracts is faster mechs that keep moving, and keep moving laterally so as to make it difficult to focus the damage of the gauss and the PPCs onto the same component. Move as a unit, and get on top of the enemy quickly.

Some of the most effective teamwork I've seen didn't involve poptarts. It involved a concerted rush with a strong focus on target calling. Violence of action coupled with strong teamwork.

[Angel of Annihilation]

You poll talks about two seperate topics with two different answers.

Poptarting is fine as is and never was a really that much of a problem.

JJs are not fine because they do not work correctly. Forward momentum should be through thrust, not how fast your mechs happens to be running prior to using his JJs.

[One Medic Army]

It's far too easy.
Seriously, when I can almost take down a full health sniper fit highlander in river city by popping up over buildings and tagging him repeatedly while running through cover in a 45ton Blackjack-1 it's too easy.
Oh, and I was already pretty hurt.
(For clarity, he had PPCS+Gauss, I had PPCs+MGs+SLs)

It's not hard, and if you understand about moving before you hit the jets you're pretty darn difficult to hit.
Most jumpsnipers just sit still and make themselves easy targets.

Edited by One Medic Army, 11 August 2013 - 12:41 PM.

[Bront]

It's an effective tactic for some mechs if you're skilled at it. If you build a team around it you'll get flanked and massacred.

Maybe the JJ shake should be a little worse than it is, but that's about it.

And no, I don't poptart, find it annoying and unfun to do.

[Alex Warden]

for me, jumpsniping is the most stupid and boring way to play a mechwarrior game... luckily it seems like there are only a few people left who actually CAN do it properly, so i don´t think they are really an issue... so yes,i think they are okay by now

[FearTheAmish]

Without communications and teamwork you just have a mech pushing himself all the way up in the air were multiple enemies can shoot him.... Its a high risk high reward build.

[Bartholomew bartholomew]

Generally, if you have any situational awareness. You will see a poptarter on the way up, and can CT him just as hard. And if you get the shot first. there goes his shot, and likely some leg damage too. As he will likely let go too quick to get back down.

[PEEFsmash]

It's pretty good right now. Other mechs need changing though, and those changes might come as "relative nerfs" to poptarting, but the point being made and the point I agree with is that poptarting as it currently stands doesn't need any direct buffs or direct nerfs.

[Royalewithcheese]

I think it's a cool way to play and would be happy if it continued to exist, but would rather it be one of many equally valid ways to play.

[Lucian Nostra]

One Medic Army, on 11 August 2013 - 12:40 PM, said:

It's far too easy.
Seriously, when I can almost take down a full health sniper fit highlander in river city by popping up over buildings and tagging him repeatedly while running through cover in a 45ton Blackjack-1 it's too easy.
Oh, and I was already pretty hurt.
(For clarity, he had PPCS+Gauss, I had PPCs+MGs+SLs)

It's not hard, and if you understand about moving before you hit the jets you're pretty darn difficult to hit.
Most jumpsnipers just sit still and make themselves easy targets.

How is this not the Highlander's fault? I pop tart a lot and obviously fight against them and I always laugh when people just STAND in the OPEN trying to counter my pop tarting. I'm making myself a difficult target, I move around some every shot or every few shots depending on how good the opponents are to make myself a harder to hit target by changing where Im jumping from, meanwhile I find sooo many people just stand there trying to shoot me back making themselves a super easy to hit target.

If you find a pop tart is wrecking your face. here's a hint MOVE, perhaps that low ridge your humping isn't the ideal place to stand. relocate to some other spot.

edit: I wanted to toss in an example, one of my clan mates died early in a match and watched me on river city I was in my blackjack 3 standing in c4 behind the building that says Emergency standby on the roof sign pop tarting a Highlander standing on the ramp to the citadel. Which is what? half a grid away?

The Highlander pilot just stood there and took it, jump, double PPC, jump double PPC.. over and over and over and over. I think it took me about 10 salvo's to drop him since some drifted to his side torso's than his first response? ***** about pop tarting.. How about instead moving behind some cover? relocate, go somewhere else, fight a different person..

What brought this up is because I often do well in my 3D and he was suprised that the guy just took it, I told him more often than not this is what most people do, just stand there getting blasted

edit edit: I just watched the video and... eh? What is this suppose to showcase? It's a close battle till the end when the enemy team sorta ambled into your alive teams piece meal and got torched even though they where ahead.

Edited by Lucian Nostra, 11 August 2013 - 06:21 PM.

[One Medic Army]

Lucian Nostra, on 11 August 2013 - 06:03 PM, said:

How is this not the Highlander's fault? I pop tart a lot and obviously fight against them and I always laugh when people just STAND in the OPEN trying to counter my pop tarting. I'm making myself a difficult target, I move around some every shot or every few shots depending on how good the opponents are to make myself a harder to hit target by changing where Im jumping from, meanwhile I find sooo many people just stand there trying to shoot me back making themselves a super easy to hit target.

If you find a pop tart is wrecking your face. here's a hint MOVE, perhaps that low ridge your humping isn't the ideal place to stand. relocate to some other spot.

edit: I wanted to toss in an example, one of my clan mates died early in a match and watched me on river city I was in my blackjack 3 standing in c4 behind the building that says Emergency standby on the roof sign pop tarting a Highlander standing on the ramp to the citadel. Which is what? half a grid away?

The Highlander pilot just stood there and took it, jump, double PPC, jump double PPC.. over and over and over and over. I think it took me about 10 salvo's to drop him since some drifted to his side torso's than his first response? ***** about pop tarting.. How about instead moving behind some cover? relocate, go somewhere else, fight a different person..

What brought this up is because I often do well in my 3D and he was suprised that the guy just took it, I told him more often than not this is what most people do, just stand there getting blasted

This guy was actually coming after me, sub-200m range, moving through the buildings like I was.
It was still child's play to popsnipe him.

The fact that I had the higher mounted weapons, smaller profile, better jets, and faster speed just made it even easier.

[Lucian Nostra]

One Medic Army, on 11 August 2013 - 06:19 PM, said:

This guy was actually coming after me, sub-200m range, moving through the buildings like I was.
It was still child's play to popsnipe him.

The fact that I had the higher mounted weapons, smaller profile, better jets, and faster speed just made it even easier.

If it was childs play than obviously you where a better player than him because there is no reason it should of been that simple. Just because someone in a poorly piloted Highlander goes down easily doesn't somehow mean pop tarting is to easy.

Heavier mech doesn't = good player

edit: why cant I ever complete a thought before posting? There's been plenty of games that I've pop tarted non stop. Than there's those games where you jump get hit yellow armor, jump get hit orange armor.. stop jumping

Edited by Lucian Nostra, 11 August 2013 - 06:33 PM.

[Villz]

Alistair Winter, on 11 August 2013 - 08:48 AM, said:

To be honest, I'm not having trouble by other people poptarting so much, but my favourite mech is a CTF-3D with double gauss and when I go poptarting, I'm cashing checks and bringing the ruckus. I was never a good poptart (and my build isn't as effective as the standard Gauss+2ERPPC), so I can only imagine what really good players are able to pull off, now that they've made poptarting a lot easier. I know kaffeangst is very good. Never heard of you before, Villz, sorry

I'm guessing a lot of people simply aren't aware how easy it is to poptart now, compared to a few weeks ago. I would say that the reason it's not a big problem is because people just got bored with it, but people don't get bored with winning.

yeh that's no suprise you will probably need to increase your ELO a couple of thousand points to drop against me

[PEEFsmash]

Villz, on 11 August 2013 - 10:19 PM, said:

yeh that's no suprise you will probably need to increase your ELO a couple of thousand points to drop against me

He was kindof giving you a compliment...I think.

[Ralgas]

Villz, on 11 August 2013 - 07:15 AM, said:

to be fair even with the worst JJ screen shake i did the exact same thing , the good players don't care about it

True that, but you guys did have to adjust a little, yeah? That vid to me show jump sniping to be exactly what it was to begin with before the nerf/buff cycle, the only difference being you can shoot on the way up. Real screen shake did add an extra element to targeting not present now.....

[Alistair Winter]

Villz, on 11 August 2013 - 10:19 PM, said:

yeh that's no suprise you will probably need to increase your ELO a couple of thousand points to drop against me

Actually, I did drop against kaffeangst yesterday, so maybe it's the other way around?

PEEFsmash, on 11 August 2013 - 11:22 PM, said:

He was kindof giving you a compliment...I think.

Well... not really. But then, it wasn't an insult either

[Purlana]

Bront, on 11 August 2013 - 01:00 PM, said:

It's an effective tactic for some mechs if you're skilled at it. If you build a team around it you'll get flanked and massacred.

You only get flanked if your team is not paying attention.

[Villz]

Alistair Winter, on 12 August 2013 - 06:53 AM, said:

Actually, I did drop against kaffeangst yesterday, so maybe it's the other way around?


Well... not really. But then, it wasn't an insult either

Terrible Troll Though.
1/10 (for the effort)

[Alistair Winter]

Villz, on 12 August 2013 - 06:57 AM, said:

Terrible Troll Though.
1/10 (for the effort)

I've no idea why you'd say that. I can only assume that you thought I was having a go at you, but I wasn't.

As-salam alaykum, my friend.