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[Malakai Caine]

WHy is this so grindy? i JUST started before the latest patch, cadet bonus was enuff to buy a 'phract and grind it all the way out through it's basic, but after the patch, it's impossible to not get bored and a head che, from how slow the grind is. i've had a catapult sitting in my hangagar, unuablt to be used, since i cannot afford an engine for it.

also because the game itself doesn't tell you anything about it. i wasted fzar too much money trying to build an acceptable build on that phract, eating up all the cbills i 'earned' from dying a jillion deaths, as no where does the game tell you it's not actually a mechwarrior game, but a meta game arena shooter with a mech' skin on it. so here i am having to play 200+ matches, just to put an engine in my cat. and FINALLY get to start grinding it out. HOW, if 70 ish K is the best a new player can hope for from a 'win' are new players supposed to ever build up a stable of mechs? and why would they ever bother with insta-gibbed lights / mediums? or bother with any build that isn't meta, since not going meta, gets you dead too fst to be a bother even playing.

i just do not understand how i'm supposed to have fun, un-playing the game?

if i have to troll mode meta just to attempt to have a chance, then that isn't really very 'fun' why are the weapons so unbalanced? well rounded, fluff and previous games / tabletop crunch acceptable builds just do not work in mwo at all, so, IS IGP trying to kill itself by making people not want to play???
what IS the point of punishing the player, for, well, playing? let alone anything else.

[PeekaBoo I C Ju]

the better you get the faster the grind becomes

[ShinVector]

Malakai Caine, on 11 August 2013 - 05:29 PM, said:

WHy is this so grindy? i JUST started before the latest patch, cadet bonus was enuff to buy a 'phract and grind it all the way out through it's basic, but after the patch, it's impossible to not get bored and a head che, from how slow the grind is. i've had a catapult sitting in my hangagar, unuablt to be used, since i cannot afford an engine for it.

also because the game itself doesn't tell you anything about it. i wasted fzar too much money trying to build an acceptable build on that phract, eating up all the cbills i 'earned' from dying a jillion deaths, as no where does the game tell you it's not actually a mechwarrior game, but a meta game arena shooter with a mech' skin on it. so here i am having to play 200+ matches, just to put an engine in my cat. and FINALLY get to start grinding it out. HOW, if 70 ish K is the best a new player can hope for from a 'win' are new players supposed to ever build up a stable of mechs? and why would they ever bother with insta-gibbed lights / mediums? or bother with any build that isn't meta, since not going meta, gets you dead too fst to be a bother even playing.

i just do not understand how i'm supposed to have fun, un-playing the game?

if i have to troll mode meta just to attempt to have a chance, then that isn't really very 'fun' why are the weapons so unbalanced? well rounded, fluff and previous games / tabletop crunch acceptable builds just do not work in mwo at all, so, IS IGP trying to kill itself by making people not want to play???
what IS the point of punishing the player, for, well, playing? let alone anything else.

If you are complaining about how things are currently. You would have probably shat your pants to know that you had a high chance of losing money when refit/rearm was still in the game.

It actually forced people think before taking expensive mechs and loadouts into the battle field.

Be glad you earn any Cbills at all. This game isn't very fun when I get 1 shotted in my Jenner but what ever... Move on next battle hopefully less gauss, er ppc and ac20.

Additionally the money smart players will go to one of many mechlab tools to plan out their builds before spending cbills on anything.
EG:
http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab

[Not A Real RAbbi]

Yeah, I remember that. After repair and rearm you'd lose money even in some decent-paying wins. NO ONE took MGs. There were TONS of folks dropping with 75% ammo. Occasionally, if your mech didn't get TOO banged-up in the previous drop, you'd drop a second time without repairing. It was a huge consideration in picking a loadout too. In a way I miss it, and in most ways I don't.

The CBill nerf hurts, but it ain't the end of the galaxy. As someone else pointed out, the grind gets easier when you get better at playing.

And for the love of all that's holy, SMURFY YOUR BUILDS!

[Malakai Caine]

so, the sum total of your wisdoms, is
> git gud scrub
and
>un-play the game, so you can play the game, whilst not playing the game

wow, it's like you've justa accepted that metagaming is totally ok and fine and dandy and doesn't ruin games at all...

[ShinVector]

Malakai Caine, on 11 August 2013 - 08:08 PM, said:

so, the sum total of your wisdoms, is
> git gud scrub
and
>un-play the game, so you can play the game, whilst not playing the game

wow, it's like you've justa accepted that metagaming is totally ok and fine and dandy and doesn't ruin games at all...

That's because the first batch of poison didn't kill us so, we grew immune to lesser poisons.. LOL !!

[Donkehote]

Malakai Caine, on 11 August 2013 - 08:08 PM, said:

so, the sum total of your wisdoms, is
> git gud scrub
and
>un-play the game, so you can play the game, whilst not playing the game

wow, it's like you've justa accepted that metagaming is totally ok and fine and dandy and doesn't ruin games at all...

There are many people complaining about the recent C bill nerf. I've stopped playing because of it, and i know a few others who have as well. I cant imagine not having a full stable of mechs at this point. I feel your pain, but unfortunately, PGI is a company who rarely listens to its player base, legit complaints or not. they've got their heads set on a certain path for the game, and don't care to listen to anyone else until its too far gone. At least that's my opinion.

[Vulix]

Most of the new people who joined my merc corp are having similar problems. They're having to choose between pigeon-holing themselves in one chassis to elite it, or buy different mechs and elite none. Since they are new, they have to grind a lot to accomplish just one of those - they can't do both reasonably within the first couple of weeks playing MWO, unless they play hours each day. It's kind of crap how it is right now for newbies.

OP, I would say if you plan to play MWO for a long time, just buy some MC and get a hero mech for the cbill boost. Otherwise, try to find a group of good players to drop with regularly so you can make some more cbills by winning more games.

Edited by Vulix, 11 August 2013 - 09:06 PM.

[Druidika]

There is not much you can do. PGI recently heavily nerfed the income for all players. Which, of course, hits you as a new player the hardest.

Edited by Druidika, 11 August 2013 - 08:50 PM.

[QuaxDerBruchpilot]

Malakai Caine, on 11 August 2013 - 05:29 PM, said:

WHy is this so grindy? i JUST started before the latest patch, cadet bonus was enuff to buy a 'phract and grind it all the way out through it's basic, but after the patch, it's impossible to not get bored and a head che, from how slow the grind is. i've had a catapult sitting in my hangagar, unuablt to be used, since i cannot afford an engine for it.

also because the game itself doesn't tell you anything about it. i wasted fzar too much money trying to build an acceptable build on that phract, eating up all the cbills i 'earned' from dying a jillion deaths, as no where does the game tell you it's not actually a mechwarrior game, but a meta game arena shooter with a mech' skin on it. so here i am having to play 200+ matches, just to put an engine in my cat. and FINALLY get to start grinding it out. HOW, if 70 ish K is the best a new player can hope for from a 'win' are new players supposed to ever build up a stable of mechs? and why would they ever bother with insta-gibbed lights / mediums? or bother with any build that isn't meta, since not going meta, gets you dead too fst to be a bother even playing.

i just do not understand how i'm supposed to have fun, un-playing the game?

if i have to troll mode meta just to attempt to have a chance, then that isn't really very 'fun' why are the weapons so unbalanced? well rounded, fluff and previous games / tabletop crunch acceptable builds just do not work in mwo at all, so, IS IGP trying to kill itself by making people not want to play???
what IS the point of punishing the player, for, well, playing? let alone anything else.

And after all, you just have to wait for 3PV which is supposed to be the all-healer for new players

[Elizander]

Malakai Caine, on 11 August 2013 - 05:29 PM, said:

also because the game itself doesn't tell you anything about it. i wasted fzar too much money trying to build an acceptable build on that phract,

There should probably be some recommended upgrades/builds to each mech if PGI wants to help out the newbies to the game who log in and do not read anything.

Either that or include a how to build mech tutorial (which would be harder than simply giving people upgrade recommendations).

[Lunatic_Asylum]

There is no problem with that. The C-Bills gain and the learning curve are relaxed and easy. The company made a big mistake once by giving out millions of C-bills after playing 25 matches last year, and I was very unhappy with it. Now, it should be fine.

[Brachus]

OP, I completely understand your issue and sympathize. The C-bill nerf was more than a little overdone. The only advice I can offer there is to wait it out a couple weeks, as based on the feedback I have seen, I think PGI will mostly likely un-nerf it to some degree in a future patch...just can't guess when as they tend to take some time with those kinds of changes.

[Seddrik]

Vulix, on 11 August 2013 - 08:32 PM, said:

...OP, I would say if you plan to play MWO for a long time, just buy some MC and get a hero mech for the cbill boost. Otherwise, try to find a group of good players to drop with regularly so you can make some more cbills by winning more games.

I recommend the opposite. Do not reward them for making bad decisions. I've spent a lot of real money on this game only to be disappointed repeatedly. I bought bays and heros (and was planning on more), but now the mechs I enjoy the most get one shot/mobbed at first sight or I just have to hide behind the whole team boringly hoping the pugs actually stay together (lol...), the game still feels sluggish, so I've regrettably been forced to use just assaults (my least fav mech) and often LRM boat (one of my leats fav modes of fighting). I can do quite well with LRMs... but meh... its definitely not as fun as my jenner or other mechs were.


Net result? I used to play every day, now... maybe once a week for a short time. I've stopped spending money on this game and am playing other games with greater enjoyment.

Edited by Seddrik, 12 August 2013 - 06:45 AM.

[armyof1]

The best thing anyone can do to make PGI remove this horrible CBill nerf (Win bonus is same as lose bonus at 25K, really?) is to not buy premium time or anything else for that matter, because as soon as they start seeing a noticeable increase of items bought (mechs and premium time especially) they'll start slapping each other on the back and gladly let this change remain, or maybe even decrease CBill earnings more a bit further down the road. But if they see a drop in sales and player base they'll realise the messed up again and revert or at least lessen the CBill grind we have currently.

Edited by armyof1, 12 August 2013 - 07:01 AM.

[Not A Real RAbbi]

Malakai Caine, on 11 August 2013 - 08:08 PM, said:

so, the sum total of your wisdoms, is
> git gud scrub
and
>un-play the game, so you can play the game, whilst not playing the game

wow, it's like you've justa accepted that metagaming is totally ok and fine and dandy and doesn't ruin games at all...

Yeah, basically. You could always go start your own software company, pay tons of money to license rights to simple WORDS like "mechwarrior" and "battlemech", hire a bunch of software engineers, and make your own meta-less game.

Oh, and THEN try to find a way to pay for it all, too. I don't know if anyone has ever noticed this, but even in the current crap economy no one will work for free for a couple years, including some weekends and holidays, AND take all the crap from the relatively few players they have (like PGI has from us). No one, at any rate, that you would want to let within 50 meters of an internet-connected computer.

So yeah. Put in some time grinding, and be glad that you practically CAN'T come out of a match poorer than you went in. Then consider buying some MC. Maybe grab a Sarah's Jenner, because cancer sucks and PGI cares. Spend a few real-world bucks. Earn some CBills. And don't EVER let me find you in a red box with your back turned to me in game...

[Chemie]

The good news if you play all night you can buy a PPC

[Nauht]

armyof1, on 12 August 2013 - 07:00 AM, said:

The best thing anyone can do to make PGI remove this horrible CBill nerf (Win bonus is same as lose bonus at 25K, really?) is to not buy premium time or anything else for that matter, because as soon as they start seeing a noticeable increase of items bought (mechs and premium time especially) they'll start slapping each other on the back and gladly let this change remain, or maybe even decrease CBill earnings more a bit further down the road. But if they see a drop in sales and player base they'll realise the messed up again and revert or at least lessen the CBill grind we have currently.

If a person ain't gonna spend money for MC, he ain't gonna spend it no matter what.

I've noticed about a 10% drop in earnings myself, still averaging 130k CB without premium. Some games are stellar, some not but it all averages out. I'm still getting that cos I actively and consistently contribute to the team... and that's easy to do. All I'm doing is actually fighting.

You can definitely play this game without paying a cent and before this patch it was easier to coast along.
Now you've got to play harder/smarter or shorten the grind with MC.... which is kind of the point of f2p.

[Corvus Antaka]

it would be much better if premium time gave a bigger cbill boost. For now the game has been well balanced income & expense wise for many of us.

But the lower cbill amounts and the longer battles are making simply grinding for an XL engine a "job" instead of a "game"

so adjustments are needed to make the early experience and midgame grind for a nice stable of 20+ mechs more enjoyable and less grindy.

[Kazly]

My first thought was you went with two expensive mechs at first. I don't think the chill need was all that bad but I suppose just starting out it can be brutal if you're not putting in a few kills and a few hundred damage each game.

My suggestion? Join a group. Get in some four mans where you learn quick and win games.

Also, did you get your free day of premium? It's on the page you download the cliet from.

Yes, there are a lot of snipers/pin point dmg, but brawlers and skirmishers are still worthy mechs. You just need to wait out the game till the teams engage. It's tough to learn but you'll get there - or you won't, I don't know.

Drop in the merc forums, or any really. People love helping out new players - this is something most will agree on in this community.

Welcome to mwo.

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