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[Bishop Steiner]

Megasa Ward, on 16 August 2013 - 09:50 PM, said:

Bishop, you should try triple 10 cannons in that monster at some point. XL255 will do it, and it is always ammo starved. But it is quite vicious, and a splendid dueling mech. Handles like an assault, but well suited to taking them down. It is bad and so am I, but results really are boring unless I am being paid for them.

4ML and AC20 is my goto 3d build. Lethal in a brawl.

4xAC2 or 4xAC5 in my 4x because I don't own a jager. I like mechs with hands or at least articulated arms.

And while we are at it with the 'unexpected' builds, the Fatlas of pug termination-2xLBX10, 4ML, and 2srm4. Do not let it get close.

ugg. If I wanna go slow, I use my 4X. the 340 XL is as key to my success as the dual-10 hammers.

[Megasa Ward]

Bishop Steiner, on 16 August 2013 - 10:56 PM, said:

ugg. If I wanna go slow, I use my 4X. the 340 XL is as key to my success as the dual-10 hammers.

I thought the same thing when I saw it being used. And it is painfully slow... Gotta have a weak point somewhere, hmm? Still, I enjoy using the fire rate and range with all three to control the tempo of most engagements. Give it a shot if you're bored on a rainy day.
Muromets is the only mech that can do it, too... so there's a little bit of exclusivity with 3 of the bad boys.
God help us if we ever get Annihilators... or King Crab. 4xAC10? LOL

[White Bear 84]

I have an imagination OP.. ..i imagine by 4 AC5 phract tearing your mech apart!!

[Viral Matrix]

Phracts are actually pretty awesome.

Very survivable when u pack in a XL engine, which is not true of all chassis. Able to carry either long or short range weapons, attrition or burst damage, Energy-heavy or ballistic-heavy, or both!

Pretty much the only thing it doesnt do well is missiles.

And it can fly too!

I rarely die when i pilot one, and get atleast 1 kill almost always. Great Mech. I actually prefer 2xERLL for the shoulder mounts, and gauss is too fragile for my taste. AC 10 works well with the XL engine and LLs which i like to put in the arm. Or dual ac/uac 5 configs. I like it with lasers more than PPCs personally.

[Arend]

My 2x Brawler Build, 300 STD Engine, AMS, AC20, 3 MLaser and 2 SRM 4

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...b8a1cdaa4c6a305

for my Ilya is use a Triple UAC5/2 MLaser Setup and oh well for the 3D is use 2 ERPPC/Gaus, its just a good Setup, although i don't play the 3D often the Brawler and Ilya are way more fun to play, Sniping gets boring very fast.

[Archon Adam Steiner]

Can one play unorthodox builds? Sure.
Can unorthodox builds be good? Sure. Especially in a decent pilots' hands.

Can unorthodox builds ever be considered 'optimal'? Rarely. It's pretty obvious to the most competitive players, as it is in an MMO, what the best builds/weapons/mechs are. If one places the highest value on winning, which the really competitive groups do, they're going to take the most efficient 'mechs to get the job done.

Ultimately, piloting skill does count for more than one's build, because a great build in poor hands is a poor 'mech. Two roughly-equal players placed in 'mechs that differ in efficiency, though? The guy with the better tools will win most of the time, and that's because he built for the dominant Meta.

I don't like it. You don't like it. The guys who do it don't like it. When you need to win, though, it's what has to be done. Not giving yourself and your team the best edge possible just isn't the best choice.

[WildeKarde]

I used to play my 3D with gauss in the RA, ER LLaser in the LA, UAC5 in the RT and 2 MLaser in there as well. Played pretty well as it covered a multitude of dodgy encounters.

Now it's sitting with 2 LPulse, 2 MPulse and LB10X

[Nutlink]

I like my slightly altered stock Ilya - 2xAC5, 1xAC10, 3xML. I have to use an XL engine for it unfortunately, but it's DPS is pretty respectable with decent range and NOT relying on "traditional" builds. Of course, I'm the same person that runs a PB with 1xERPPC, 1xLRM15, 2xML, and 2xSRM4 at 89kph, so I'm not exactly the l33t pr0 type.

[Alistair Winter]

CTF-3D Ridin' dirty build

Pro tip: Play this song while running this build

They see me rollin', they hatin'.
PPC boats, Tryin' to catch me ridin' dirty.
Tryin' to catch me ridin' dirty.
Tryin' to catch me ridin' dirty.
Tryin' to catch me ridin' dirty.
My gauss is fragile, I'm twistin,
They hopin' that they gon' catch me ridin' dirty.
Tryin' to catch me ridin' dirty.
Tryin' to catch me ridin' dirty.
Tryin' to catch me ridin' dirty.


Hostiles think they can see me lean
Black paint so it ain't easy to be seen
When you see me fly by they can see me glean
And my shine on the guns and the laser beams
Ride with Bitchin Betty, she like hold up
Next to the mech's cockpit controller
is a full clip and gauss pistolas
Turn a poptart into a coma
Noobs you ain't know, I'm crazy like I got rabies
Rockin' double gauss ain't tryin to have no babies
Crystal clean headshots so I pull in ladies
PPC boats trolling you know they hate me
Engine turned all the way up until the maximum
I can't speak for some teammates tryin to cap for some
But we packin somethin that we have for 'um
will have alpha strike damage to the maximum
Game about to end, I'm bleeding smoke
Gunfire loud, I'm walkin' slow
I'm torso twistin can't hit this dough
Enemies come from behind but we jumped above
Hostile mechs, stop their intrusion
Game's changed, freeborn like who is that producing?
Flauntin' Pr0-gauss-Skillz when we out and cruisin
Enemies capped every base except Epsilon but I'm still ain't losin

They see me rollin', they hatin'.
PPC boats, Tryin' to catch me ridin' dirty.
Tryin' to catch me ridin' dirty.
Tryin' to catch me ridin' dirty.
Tryin' to catch me ridin' dirty.
My gauss is fragile, I'm twistin,
They hopin' that they gon' catch me ridin' dirty.
Tryin' to catch me ridin' dirty.
Tryin' to catch me ridin' dirty.
Tryin' to catch me ridin' dirty.

Edited by Alistair Winter, 17 August 2013 - 12:41 PM.

[80sGlamRockSensation David Bowie]

My (primary) 3D doesn't use Gauss.

My Other 3D is a battlephract with an AC20

And my third 3D has nothing to do with PPCs.

Your argument is invalid.

My (primary) 3D doesn't use Gauss.

My Other 3D is a battlephract with an AC20

And my third 3D has nothing to do with PPCs.

Your argument is invalid.

[Bishop Steiner]

Alistair Winter, on 17 August 2013 - 12:35 PM, said:

CTF-3D Ridin' dirty build

Pro tip: Play this song while running this build

They see me rollin', they hatin'.
PPC boats, Tryin' to catch me ridin' dirty.
Tryin' to catch me ridin' dirty.
Tryin' to catch me ridin' dirty.
Tryin' to catch me ridin' dirty.
My gauss is fragile, I'm twistin,
They hopin' that they gon' catch me ridin' dirty.
Tryin' to catch me ridin' dirty.
Tryin' to catch me ridin' dirty.
Tryin' to catch me ridin' dirty.


Hostiles think they can see me lean
Black paint so it ain't easy to be seen
When you see me fly by they can see me glean
And my shine on the guns and the laser beams
Ride with Bitchin Betty, she like hold up
Next to the mech's cockpit controller
is a full clip and gauss pistolas
Turn a poptart into a coma
Noobs you ain't know, I'm crazy like I got rabies
Rockin' double gauss ain't tryin to have no babies
Crystal clean headshots so I pull in ladies
PPC boats trolling you know they hate me
Engine turned all the way up until the maximum
I can't speak for some teammates tryin to cap for some
But we packin somethin that we have for 'um
will have alpha strike damage to the maximum
Game about to end, I'm bleeding smoke
Gunfire loud, I'm walkin' slow
I'm torso twistin can't hit this dough
Enemies come from behind but we jumped above
Hostile mechs, stop their intrusion
Game's changed, freeborn like who is that producing?
Flauntin' Pr0-gauss-Skillz when we out and cruisin
Enemies capped every base except Epsilon but I'm still ain't losin

They see me rollin', they hatin'.
PPC boats, Tryin' to catch me ridin' dirty.
Tryin' to catch me ridin' dirty.
Tryin' to catch me ridin' dirty.
Tryin' to catch me ridin' dirty.
My gauss is fragile, I'm twistin,
They hopin' that they gon' catch me ridin' dirty.
Tryin' to catch me ridin' dirty.
Tryin' to catch me ridin' dirty.
Tryin' to catch me ridin' dirty.

*Gah! That dang song is stuck in my head now!*

I am gonna need to TK you for that in the near future Alistair.

[Angel of Annihilation]

Victor Morson, on 16 August 2013 - 06:09 AM, said:

If you see someone who complains about the Cataphract, you've found an easy kill.



Not much because that's a terrible build.



The AC/20 is the only alright part about that build. A LPL and Streaks? Both weapons are awful. LPL offers no advantage over the ER PPC at present of note, and Streaks nosedived after they now randomly shoot at arms and legs.

The 2X is poised for a comeback IMO, but this design is now how that's going to happen. Get some regular SRMs on that thing and it will make a huge step forwards.

Totally wrong on the LPLs. The run a hell of alot cooler and do more damage for the same weight. The trade off is range and the 0.60 second beam duration which is a tiny duration by the way. This mean you can either run a lesser amount of heat sinks in lieu of other weapons or equipment or, fire more weapons faster or just generally have less downtime cooling. I have transitioned off ER PPCs in favor of LPLs in alot of cases because of these facts.

Agree in the Streaks though. They nerfed them to uselessness last time the changed them.

Edited by Viktor Drake, 17 August 2013 - 01:02 PM.

[General Taskeen]

Bishop Steiner, on 17 August 2013 - 12:53 PM, said:

*Gah! That dang song is stuck in my head now!*

I am gonna need to TK you for that in the near future Alistair.

They see me mowin', my front lawn
I know they're all thinkin' I'm so White N' Nerdy
Think I'm just too White N' Nerdy
Think I'm just too White N' Nerdy
Can't you see I'm White N' Nerdy
Look at me I'm White N' Nerdy

I wanna roll with, the gangsters
But so far they all think I'm too White N' Nerdy
Think I'm just too White N' Nerdy
Think I'm just too White N' Nerdy
I'm just too White N' Nerdy
Really really White N' Nerdy

[Deathlike]

Cataphracts have their weaknesses, and its dead obvious what that is.

There is obviously a very popular variant, and a very popular build. I don't think that requires too much imagination.

Complaining about them, is announcing to everyone that you have trouble shooting one of the bigger torso heavies in the game.

[Sephlock]

riverslq, on 16 August 2013 - 12:23 AM, said:

If You See A Cataphract On The Field, You Know The Pilot Has No Imagination

Ilya Dakkamets would like a word with you...

[xCico]

Sephlock, on 17 August 2013 - 06:41 PM, said:

Ilya Dakkamets would like a word with you...

Hah XL buddy, you wont survive with XL in phract no chance, except you are sniper

[Bishop Steiner]

19cico96, on 18 August 2013 - 11:55 AM, said:

Hah XL buddy, you wont survive with XL in phract no chance, except you are sniper

silly rabbit.

How little you really know. I survive, and in fact DOMINATE in my 340XL Ilya. Learn to torso twist and stop thinking that every mech has to be a Brawler and you will be very surprise dhow much the XL adds to what you can accomplish. Cataphracts get CT cored out far more often than side torso'd.

[xCico]

Bishop Steiner, on 18 August 2013 - 12:13 PM, said:

silly rabbit.

How little you really know. I survive, and in fact DOMINATE in my 340XL Ilya. Learn to torso twist and stop thinking that every mech has to be a Brawler and you will be very surprise dhow much the XL adds to what you can accomplish. Cataphracts get CT cored out far more often than side torso'd.

Dont know since I put tweaked STD in my 3D I have 3x better results and not afraid to rush without getting killed, i was twisting too but didnt help, I have nice brawler 3D and XL was ruining him badly, and also 3x lbc and slow xl brother wronggg, but maybe he is good at it.

[Bishop Steiner]

19cico96, on 18 August 2013 - 12:31 PM, said:

Dont know since I put tweaked STD in my 3D I have 3x better results and not afraid to rush without getting killed, i was twisting too but didnt help, I have nice brawler 3D and XL was ruining him badly, and also 3x lbc and slow xl brother wronggg, but maybe he is good at it.

Tis the point. If someone is doing good in a build it can't really be wrong. The only thing I find "wrong" is people who continue trying to use a build they don't do well in, or trying to tell others what they would do better with. People tell me that 2 AC/10 and 2 Medium is inferior to Gauss and 2 ER PPC. Then I go kill them with it repeatedly. On the other hand, I don't run the 2 ER PPC/Gauss build well, while some of my teammates do. So who is right?

Answer: We both are. Because it is the build and style WE do well in.

[oldradagast]

I run my 1X with 2 Medium Lasers in the arms for sweeping lights, an AC20, and a PPC in the left torso mount for sniping from cover. Standard 280, Endo, DHS, AMS. So, it has a PPC, but it can threaten at all ranges, brawl, and lacks an exploding torso since, let's face it, Cataphract right torsos get targeted as often as the ones on an Atlas. I guess I have some creative, despite the 1 PPC.

Edited by oldradagast, 19 August 2013 - 05:35 AM.