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[Alaskan Nobody]

Risko Vinsheen, on 03 September 2013 - 12:09 PM, said:

And $30 at any time for the Saber pack.

Any time AFTER having bought at least Talon of course

[Dagen31]

so these mechs will not be delivered in game until oct. 15th?

[RG Notch]

Dagen31, on 05 September 2013 - 02:22 PM, said:

so these mechs will not be delivered in game until oct. 15th?

Maybe, that's there position at this time, nothing is ever set in stone apparently.

[Earl White]

God dammit keep spending money pls, mesa really want the Phoenix Flame Pattern (what could be more awesome than pink flames??)

[Chronojam]

Earl White, on 06 September 2013 - 10:28 AM, said:

God dammit keep spending money pls, mesa really want the Phoenix Flame Pattern (what could be more awesome than pink flames??)

Balanced weapons

[Nunspa]

I don't know man but after No Guts No Galaxy Podcast #88: The Bryan Ekman Trilogy Part 2 I'm glad I spent the money for the overlord...

I'm looking real hard at getting the additional 2 mechs as well..

BTW, last night on TS I convinced 2 players to get the package, it's an amazing buy for a new players (a ton of mechs in a month, including all the mech bays... )

[PoLaR]

RG Notch, on 28 August 2013 - 03:59 AM, said:

Don't worry it's not to boost sales, we will get all the unlocks. Since there is no amount that bar moves whenever PGI wants.

First, don't take this as an attack on your posts because Its not, I'm more just curious.

But anyway, I've seen several comments you made accusing PGI of having a "fake" progress bar for the Project Phoenix rewards. Do you have any actual proof of this? Who knows maybe you are totally right. To be fair, I have absolutely nothing to counter your statements to back up PGI and say "Hey man! It's real! The numbers are all real!".. but I do believe there are actual goals to hit to receive our precious medallions and free pattern. If there is no faith or hope In PGI, then what Is there to look forward to? By the way, have you listened to the latest Bryan Ekman podcasts on No Guts No Galaxy? Some very interesting things have been said.. can't wait for Part 3 coming out tomorrow!

[Scav3ng3r]

Keep dem monies flowing! I want me some flame camo!

[C E Dwyer]

what might increase sales would be pictures of the finnished mech and not the drawing we have

[Levi Porphyrogenitus]

Cathy, on 06 September 2013 - 01:04 PM, said:

what might increase sales would be pictures of the finnished mech and not the drawing we have

One supposes that the reason they won't be available until the 15th of October is because they won't be done until shortly before then.

If that is true, then it would be difficult for them to post in-game models.

[RG Notch]

PoLaR, on 06 September 2013 - 12:26 PM, said:

First, don't take this as an attack on your posts because Its not, I'm more just curious.

But anyway, I've seen several comments you made accusing PGI of having a "fake" progress bar for the Project Phoenix rewards. Do you have any actual proof of this? Who knows maybe you are totally right. To be fair, I have absolutely nothing to counter your statements to back up PGI and say "Hey man! It's real! The numbers are all real!".. but I do believe there are actual goals to hit to receive our precious medallions and free pattern. If there is no faith or hope In PGI, then what Is there to look forward to? By the way, have you listened to the latest Bryan Ekman podcasts on No Guts No Galaxy? Some very interesting things have been said.. can't wait for Part 3 coming out tomorrow!

I have exactly as much proof that the bar is fake as you have it's real. I do however have a track record of less than forthright information coming from PGI so I assume they are falsifying data all the time. Who can check since they have no posted goal and every incentive to make it look like it is selling like hotcakes. If there is no number then they can justify the bar moving by changing the amount they want to bring in. I guarantee that we will hit the top reward, probably soon after launch to show how "well" it is selling to new folks. PGI has lost my trust, the amount they wanted might just have been their position at the time and they adjusted it.
That's what happens when you are sketchy with your information and go back on your word, for some reason people tend to not trust you afterwards.

[merz]

RG Notch, on 06 September 2013 - 02:12 PM, said:

I have exactly as much proof that the bar is fake as you have it's real.

without taking any sides here, i'd like to point out a fallacy of logic at work. the claim-maker automatically carries the burden of proof for the claim they are making. providing evidence to support their claim is their burden, as they are the ones making the claim in the first place.

'they are lying to us because you cannot prove that they aren't' is not a valid argument. but this forum seems to be the playground of the dim, the willfully-ignorant and the outright-malicious, making it a small wonder that much of those who think rationally have come to steer clear of its discussion the way they'd avoid a leper colony.

[RG Notch]

merz, on 06 September 2013 - 02:19 PM, said:

without taking any sides here, i'd like to point out a fallacy of logic at work. the claim-maker automatically carries the burden of proof for the claim they are making. providing evidence to support their claim is their burden, as they are the ones making the claim in the first place.

'they are lying to us because you cannot prove that they aren't' is not a valid argument. but this forum seems to be the playground of the dim, the willfully-ignorant and the outright-malicious, making it a small wonder that much of those who think rationally have come to steer clear of its discussion the way they'd avoid a leper colony.

Who's making the claim in dispute? Isn't the claim being made that the amount of sales is hitting some goal? I am saying PGI should prove it's claim that it is hitting some goal by posting the goal. So the burden should be on PGI to show they have an actual goal and that the bar is not simply moving to show the sale is going well.
Even though PGI has gone back on their word, I mean changed their position, you trust them to give honest sales figures that only benefit them if they move up? Shouldn't the burden be on the party with the incentive to lie? Shouldn't the burden be on the party with the actual numbers?

Do you doubt that we will hit that last goal? Do you know what that goal is? PGI knows what the "goal" is but doesn't publish it. Can that bar move simply because PGI wants this sale to look successful?
One thing I feel 100% confident in is no matter how much PGI takes in from the sale that final unlock will be unlocked.

[merz]

RG Notch, on 06 September 2013 - 02:33 PM, said:

So the burden should be on PGI to show they have an actual goal and that the bar is not simply moving to show the sale is going well.
Even though PGI has gone back on their word, I mean changed their position, you trust them to give honest sales figures that only benefit them if they move up? Shouldn't the burden be on the party with the incentive to lie? Shouldn't the burden be on the party with the actual numbers?

am i understanding you correctly in that your desire is to see actual figures on people purchasing phoenix package? I don't imagine these are somehow secret. after all, the founder's package figures were eventually made public. i am neither a statistician nor a mental health professional, but i have to wonder at hearing your description of PGI sound like something ranging from saturday morning cartoon villains to a reptilian conspiracy.

Do i know what the goal is? No, and somehow it is unimportant to me. The mechs, extra mech bays and instant access to them are a nice value relative to to purchasing heros, something i've never done. So between the 3rd tier package and the added saber (don't care for the battlemaster personally), its probably my biggest contribution in the time i've been playing. Something I feel rather well-deserved as this is the only chance for battletech fans to enjoy another entry into the series given the toxic nature of this IP, and that the quality of the game seems to be steadily improving.

3pv is being taken out of 12man queues, stacking penalty revision passes for lots of smaller weapons are in the pipeline, weight restrictions are coming with ui2.0, eventual hardcore mode with all the trimmings and buying your own dropship may be on the horizon per the roadmap in recent interviews and, overall, this seems like a pretty exciting time to be playing this..

given all that, your posts have the distinct quality of this guy

Edited by merz, 06 September 2013 - 03:19 PM.

[RG Notch]

So again why don't they put up the goal and then when they hit it they can brag that they hit it. Now they simply have a bar that moves to make it look like sales are going well. Do you think we will get all the unlocks? Do you think we will get the unlocks no matter how many they sell? Do you really think that a bar with no goal amount means anything?
I'm sorry you find someone who wants to see real numbers instead of marketing spin so disturbing. This is why companies feel free to treat their customers like they are morons. Many people apparently are. Again I apologize for not simply taking the company line and being a good consumer and not ask difficult questions. Actually the question isn't difficult for PGI to answer, they simply choose not to and apparently some of their customers are perfectly happy to believe whatever they are told. I guess for PGI an educated consumer isn't their best customer.

[FactorlanP]

RG Notch, on 06 September 2013 - 03:52 PM, said:

I guess for PGI an educated consumer isn't their best customer.

I think what you may have meant is, "Not their target demographic"...

[Noaceik]

FactorlanP, on 06 September 2013 - 04:12 PM, said:

I think what you may have meant is, "Not their target demographic"...

Vary true, as founders we no longer mater, we were a stepping stone. Merz has not been there from the beginning so he only knows half the story.

[PoLaR]

Noaceik, on 06 September 2013 - 04:58 PM, said:

Vary true, as founders we no longer mater, we were a stepping stone. Merz has not been there from the beginning so he only knows half the story.

But I have been.

Can't elaborate right now, playing with two groups.

I still have faith, I think If more people had a chance to listen to the Bryan Ekman podcast it might clear a little hate. It explains a lot of why they (PGI) did what they did in the past. The future for this game sounds good. I enjoy It a ton right now, but whats apparently coming sounds surreal!

Edited by PoLaR, 06 September 2013 - 05:42 PM.

[Chronojam]

PoLaR, on 06 September 2013 - 05:24 PM, said:

But I have been. Can't elaborate right now, playing with two groups. I still have faith, I think If more people had a chance to listen to the Bryan Ekman podcast it might clear a little hate. It explains a lot of why they (PGI) did what they did in the past. The future for this game sounds good. I enjoy It a ton right now, but whats apparently coming sounds surreal!

Why? Why do you still have faith? The future of the game sounded phenomenal last November, didn't it? We were all so optimistic, and had a great time playing.

Then it became progressively less fun to play, less visually appealing, and fundamental features were pushed further into that future. The dropship mode never happened, the conquest mode was significantly more watered-down, community warfare never rolled out seven months ago as it was intended, the third person we were promised to never see dropped out of nowhere.

What is giving you the faith? What progress have you seen? The art department has cooked up new mechs to sell you for cold hard cash, yes. UI 2.0 is still perpetually three months out, simple news about Community Warfare is still coming soon. These do not give me faith, however.

How can Bryan Ekman telling us that the day after launch will be identical to the day before launch somehow inspire faith and confidence? How can his statement that progress will continue at the same rate, releases at the same glacial pace, convince you that things will magically get better out of nowhere when every shred of evidence suggests otherwise? If PGI is providing some hidden, forbidden knowledge please share it so the rest of us can share your resolve and shake that sinking feeling; because PGI sure isn't giving us hope these days.

Let's face it, the real loyalty update we've been given was that we're not their target demographic anymore.

[PoLaR]

Chronojam, on 06 September 2013 - 06:42 PM, said:

Why? Why do you still have faith? The future of the game sounded phenomenal last November, didn't it? We were all so optimistic, and had a great time playing.

Then it became progressively less fun to play, less visually appealing, and fundamental features were pushed further into that future. The dropship mode never happened, the conquest mode was significantly more watered-down, community warfare never rolled out seven months ago as it was intended, the third person we were promised to never see dropped out of nowhere.

What is giving you the faith? What progress have you seen? The art department has cooked up new mechs to sell you for cold hard cash, yes. UI 2.0 is still perpetually three months out, simple news about Community Warfare is still coming soon. These do not give me faith, however.

How can Bryan Ekman telling us that the day after launch will be identical to the day before launch somehow inspire faith and confidence? How can his statement that progress will continue at the same rate, releases at the same glacial pace, convince you that things will magically get better out of nowhere when every shred of evidence suggests otherwise? If PGI is providing some hidden, forbidden knowledge please share it so the rest of us can share your resolve and shake that sinking feeling; because PGI sure isn't giving us hope these days.

Let's face it, the real loyalty update we've been given was that we're not their target demographic anymore.

There have been tons of changes since a year ago. A lot of content that was said to happen by now did not come, but I would much prefer PGI work for a long time on specific aspects of the game, then releasing them too soon and have the game be completely unplayable. There will always be new bugs, old bugs that take a while to be fixed, but we are constantly moving forward.

Dropship mode has not been scrapped, It has only evolved from taking 3 or so BattleMechs into one game, to choosing a map, and then choosing up to four (possibly eight someday) 'Mechs you have chosen to take In your Dropship to the planet. So If you were planning on taking your close range brawler, you can now switch into your long range chassis to fit the best role for the situation. A future where we can have an "Attack/Defend" mode with basses and turrets with health, ECM towers will be insanely fun and something that I know a lot of people wanted since the start.

These are just a few dreams that PGI have, that I'm sure a lot of the core MW fans can share. Can It all be achieved? I really hope so. These things take time, and just because PGI's original plan has evolved and changed doesn't mean everyone should be raising their pitch forks. Some people get so offended over the smallest change. It's been said 100 times over. You need to evolve with the game, or get left behind. The future of this game does not have to be so negative and so bleak as some make It out to be. In the big picture, piloting giant robots with lasers, missiles and ballistics, conquering and challenging others is a blast. This aspect has not changed since the beginning of Closed Beta. The only bug difference from then and now, is that there is a ton of more content. **** yeah, I'm down for having all these new 'Mechs and Maps. One of the biggest complaints back in CB was that the lack of content was underwhelming. Now that we have that content, we have moved on to have big expectations which don't need to be misplaced.

TL;DR:
None of us can predict what the game will be like In a year from now. There Is supposed to be dramatic changes in the game. You don't have to stick around If you don't want to, but I will because I have fun, and enjoy spending my hard earned money on hobbies that are in my interests. I can only speak for myself. We are all old enough to make our own decisions about MWO. I enjoy looking for the silver lining, even if everyone around you only looks at the negatives.

Edit: I just wanted to add this. Thanks for the debate, Its nice to be able to give eachother's feedback without biting our faces off

Edited by PoLaR, 06 September 2013 - 07:38 PM.