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[repete]

I don't think I've said this anywhere in my responses to date, thought others have, but I'll take a moment to reiterate...

NONE OF THIS WOULD HAVE HAPPENED IF WE'D HAD THE 1PV AND 3PV QUEUES. NONE!!!

...As a matter of fact, we'd have had the opposite. We'd have had:

1) Some people saying "See. It's not that bad"
2) Some people saying "Yes it is. But I can play in my queue so it's not an issue"

...thought that may have lead to:

If/when people couldn't get a game in one queue or another, you would be forced to play in the other. More people want to play 3PV and 1PVers get "Match not found"? You **** off the 1PVers (And kind of indirectly break your promise because they do 'have to play in the other queue' to get a game). More people want to play 1PV and the 3PV players can't get a game? The community is proven right (Again) and we can't have that. Cognitive dissonance vs. confirmation bias...

Edited by repete, 22 August 2013 - 03:27 PM.

[FireDog]

Honestly, by the 31rd century if big mechs are real I can buy into flying frisbee scout drones. Just make the dang things real by allowing us to blast them out of the sky. Heck any hit by a laser or even a near miss or explosion from a shell or missile would do the trick. If scouts want to fly their frisbees, let them make the decision to bring them in before they engage if they want a chance to keep them intact. And it they go toast, well its should cost the pilot to replace them.

Edited by FireDog, 22 August 2013 - 03:30 PM.

[Smokeyjedi]

Battletech has been around for 20+ years now, it has always worked on the demographic of mature, intelligent table top game players......... PGI is just being greedy as all hell.............We the BT fans for the last 20years will put more money into this game if it was right than 10million 7-14 year old basic videogamers........You are fouling up the very soul of Battletech, Shame on you.

[repete]

FireDog, on 22 August 2013 - 03:29 PM, said:

...Just make the dang things real by allowing us to blast them out of the sky...

FireDog, in that situation, what are the replies to these two crowds?:

1) I want to play in 3PV because I like it, but I can't because my drone was destroyed
2) I want to play in 3PV because I'm a new player, but I can't because my drone was destroyed

[Silverlance]

FireDog, on 22 August 2013 - 03:29 PM, said:

Honestly, by the 31rd century if big mechs are real I can buy into flying frisbee scout drones. Just make the dang things real by allowing us to blast them out of the sky. Heck any hit by a laser or even a near miss or explosion from a shell or missile would do the trick. If scouts want to fly their frisbees, let them make the decision to bring them in before they engage if they want a chance to keep them intact. And it they go toast, well its should cost the pilot to replace them.

I actually like this. A lot. Though I still hate third view. If you're going to force it on us anyway and say it's for all the "new" players. Then let us Veterans blow it the **** outta sky and force them back into a first perspective. When I bought into the game, I didn't have the luxury of training or spiffy views to help me out. Hell, my first forum post was asking if you were going to change the targeting retic because I wasn't used to them. lol

[Snuglninja]

Refunds? How has that been going? Are you getting them? I really don't care about 3pv just would rather have my 80$ back for Arkham Origins then Phoenix

[Silverlance]

So I decided to hop onto my Twitter account and publicly call out Russ Bullock for all of this wonderful mess. As of yet, I have not gotten a single response and I have directed his attention to this forum in particular. To look at it himself, and not have some team of social media lackeys do it for him. We'll see what's said and if he actually cares or not. This will be the deciding factor on whether or not I stay, and, whether or not I proceed with my lawyer whom I've already called.

[MajorBorris]

I hate to say it but maybe its better PGI fails so we can get a realistic and detailed Battle Tech universe. Not this bad cockpits/3pv arcade mech shat.

[Grey Ghost]

I'm worried your going to scare off new players because the new 3rd Person camera is implemented terribly.

I can't see my Mechs legs at all (CPLT-K2 & AS7-D), and something about the camera being so close to the Mech is making me feel ill when trying to use it.

Now it's easy for me to just not use it, as I never wanted it in the first place. However New Players will see this view by default and possibly get turned off the game by how badly implemented it is.

You made it so bad to in an attempt to placate / avoid splitting the player base, that it is not even mildly enjoyable to actually use.

[repete]

Silverlance, on 22 August 2013 - 03:56 PM, said:

So I decided to hop onto my Twitter account and publicly call out Russ Bullock for all of this wonderful mess...

PGI have rarely been ones to respond via Twitter, unless this is the sort of thing you post:

https://twitter.com/...683022950948864

...which Russ RT'd. I'm stunned he responded to the tweet I made which has been cited many times in this thread. I suspect responses like that further decrease their probability of responding. Not because they are negative per se, but because their responses come off looking bad, further reinforcing the whole thing.

But instead they, by my estimation, and indicated by some others, choose to accentuate the positive while ignoring everything else. There are other words for this. Dilusional. Living in a bubble. Etc. It is, however, one way some people choose to go about things...

Edited by repete, 22 August 2013 - 04:11 PM.

[Drasari]

The way 3pv was implimented is an insult. They made promises, taking our money in the meantime and then the day of 3PV.... they go back on what they promised.

I am not sure how this can not be seen has a huge slap in the face.

I have not decided how I am going to deal with this just yet but I might just give them until Sept 17th to sort it out, Only because this is still BETA.

This is just for testing....

This is just for testing....

This is just for testing....

This is just for testing....

[Silverlance]

repete, on 22 August 2013 - 04:07 PM, said:

PGI have rarely been ones to respond via Twitter, unless this is the sort of thing you post:

https://twitter.com/...683022950948864

...which Russ RT'd. I'm stunned he responded to the tweet I made which has been cited many times in this thread. I suspect responses like that further decrease their probability of responding. Not because they are negative per se, but because their responses come off looking bad, further reinforcing the whole thing.

But instead they, by my estimation, and indicated by some others, choose to accentuate the positive while ignoring everything else. There are other words for this. Dilusional. Living in a bubble. Etc. It is, however, one way some people choose to go about things...

He is currently online and has responded to other tweets. I know he's seen mine. And has yet to do anything. Not only have I called him out, but I also gave him my private business email to give him the option of a private, non published one on one talk between men. Thus far, he's declined that option proving to me that he is neither a man, nor a proper businessman.

[Chronojam]

Drasari, on 22 August 2013 - 04:18 PM, said:

I might just give them until Sept 17th to sort it out,

Oh, three weeks to sort the whole mess out? No pressure.

[repete]

Silverlance, on 22 August 2013 - 04:23 PM, said:

...but I also gave him my private business email to give him the option of a private, non published one on one talk between men. Thus far, he's declined that option...

I don't imagine Bryan has the time (Or inclination) to answer every email he gets. He is the company President (I always get that wrong) in the position he is. I would expect it to be the Community Manager's job to communicate with the community. Shame you won't get a reply from Garth either. :-(

That being said, I actually reached the stage where I was going to give Bryan a quick, polite call. All I wanted to ask was this:

https://twitter.com/...690353046622210

...particularly since the apology was from him. BUT. PGI doesn't actually have a phone number published on their website.

Silverlance, on 22 August 2013 - 04:23 PM, said:

...proving to me that he is neither a man, nor a proper businessman.

I don't think we need to resort to the level of insulting anyone's manhood. As for business skills, only time will tell. If somehow 3PV proves to be the ticket to MWO's gravy train, then we will be the ones proved wrong. If however, things don't go well, the post-mortem for MWO may say thing like "PGI's failure to communicate* (Which includes talking AND listening) with its community was some/all of the reason(s) the game failed".

* Which can/is/may (?) be critical is what is/may be (? - Certainly is in my opinion), an niche IP.

Edited by repete, 22 August 2013 - 04:44 PM.

[Karenai]

Silverlance, on 22 August 2013 - 04:23 PM, said:

He is currently online and has responded to other tweets. I know he's seen mine. And has yet to do anything. Not only have I called him out, but I also gave him my private business email to give him the option of a private, non published one on one talk between men. Thus far, he's declined that option proving to me that he is neither a man, nor a proper businessman.

The non linear communication structures are part of the problem. The left hand does not know what the right had said. And people can look for comments and reactions on their own. So even when the devs are speaking 90% of the playerbase does not listen, because they do not know where the devs spoke. Be it on twitter, facebook, some interview or as an exception here on the forums, where most players come for info. And when it happens, it is vague, unstructured and without using paragraphs.
People will still play MWO, because it is the only real Mech game. IGP can crush any game or mod that looks anything like Battletech. That leaves more then enough desperate gamers who will still play and pay for it.
But in my opinion, most gamers are not so much pissed of about 3pv but the way it was pushed. There is no training mission. Which would take one guy maybe half a day to cobble together. But 3pv is beeing pushed as this new player friendly feature.
Guess what? 3pv is only good for abuse. People who realy know how to combine both views can use it to a huge advantage. But someone who is stuck with it, because he deos not know that or how he can change it, has a huge handicap.
The mode is not viable to play exclusivly in, because of lack of map and shooting uphill or downhill with arms.

[Gulinborsti]

After some games I have to admit that the introduction of 3PV didn't change anything for me in PUG games. I see hardly any blinking drones in the games I play so it seems that 3PV is badly accepted, which is actually a good thing

I have yet to find more time to drop with my mates in premade 4 and 12 groups where tactics really count and the spotting advantages provided by 3PV might have some influence.

However, the implementation of 3PV as done by PGI has all the expected flaws while heavily crippling its viability in actual fights. It's "nice" (exploitable) for spotting but generally bad for playing the game.

All the excuses PGI gave for introducing 3PV turned out to be shallow at best because I really doubt that it **** new players. It actually drives everyone who is somewhat in his mind to use 1PV instead.

EDIT: Why is A*I*D*S a bad word??? Well it has 4 letters, but ...

Edited by Gulinborsti, 22 August 2013 - 05:04 PM.

[Smokeyjedi]

[phaloxian]

Why has no one sued them for false advertisement? Go ahead, do it. They deserve it after the blatant lies...>.<

[repete]

phaloxian, on 22 August 2013 - 05:08 PM, said:

Why has no one sued them for false advertisement? Go ahead, do it. They deserve it after the blatant lies...>.<

Because...If you approach a lawyer/solicitor, the first question you will be asked is:

"Have you requested/received a refund yet?".

When you say "No", they will laugh at you, give you a $150 bill, and ask you to go ask for a refund.

[Smokeyjedi]

0okami, on 22 August 2013 - 04:57 PM, said:

Well first of all I only like things that are worth liking.
Your post was simply not.
Mine was.
Quite simple really.

Secondly, no "You haven't understand any word I said..."
I am afraid I "haven't understand" anything.

What I do understand though is that I UNDERSTOOD (That is actually the correct way to spell the word in that sentence you made earlier...) your entire first post, baffling, yes I know.
It did require quite some time however as I had to find a person who spoke you ancient "wierd interwebz tongue" also known as engrish.

Luckily however in the end it proved possible.
But sadly your wierd argumentation here makes no sense so I will refrain from even trying to answer you further as any energy spent on my behalf is clearly wasted.
You simply must atleast try to get your point across before using words that are really not fit for any sort of forum at all.

So now moving on to the conclusion.
Honestly I am not surprised that everything was, as you put it, "yada yada" since to begin with I did not expect anything from you, really, I half expected you to not understand anything since understanding what I wrote would require atleast supar intelligence - something you have proven you are not in possession of.

For all I care you can go ahead and live inside your dreamland with candies falling from the sky.
Luckily only a very few people share that island with you, so honestly I dont really care.
I can however hope that I with my previous post was able to burst the bubble of some more intelligent types out there and wake them from their coma like state where they think everything PGI says is the truth.

Also before you start with some weak minded "grammar {Godwin's Law} ****"...
No english is not my main language either, but that does not give you an excuse to butcher it in a forum.

K thx bye.

You and your own post liking again, contributing exactly what to this conversation..........other than trife?? 3rd person view is the matter at hand........

They will have to make a move now, they have ruffled enough feathers they are left with no choice..........refunds,backlash, and hurricane "EYE SORE"(3PV) running rampant, they need to make the correct next step, whatever that may be.