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[Windies]

StandingCow, on 16 September 2013 - 04:49 PM, said:

That's actually a pretty good question... and I personally don't know what I will do, I PLAN to come back when the game is in a better state... but how long will that take and what other games will have taken my attention away from this by then? Currently my game money is going into war thunder and Star Citizen... War Thunder is pretty amazing right now, and if PGI takes too long, Star Citizen will be out in a year (Fighter module) or two...

Question is, what if it takes another year or 2 years or 4 years? A lot can happen in that time and unless I'm vested in something, the chances of me coming back are slim to nil. Who knows though really. I want to come back but what I want to come back to is a game that has a purpose, that gives me some purpose to play and is not just a Q3 arena style deathmatch with useless game modes.

Maybe it's unreal expectations, but back in the 90's and early 2000's they managed to make Mechwarrior games with an actual purpose, with some story and lore behind them that cemented why you were fighting where you were and for what. That's what I think a lot are expecting out of CW, is a reason for the games existence, a reason for why the maps exist and why we are fighting and what we are fighting for.

That's what I want to come back to, and in the event that it happens sure I'll eat crow and come back and play. Truthfully though, I don't see it happening. It's not a lack of faith or anything even though I have no faith in them to actually pull it off. Rather the route they are taking as far as the game design and as far as the game modes, would never lend itself to a Community Warfare where it's anything but a giant scoreboard with Liao 1 Steiner 0 etc...

That's the the game they are making and they've said it time and time again that is their demographic and the fans of Mechwarrior who want something objective based and who want something lore based are basically SOL.

Edited by Windies, 16 September 2013 - 07:12 PM.

[Skadi]

mint frog, on 16 September 2013 - 06:00 PM, said:

Totally, and in 900 days when all those parts are in the game, it's going to be epic.

Fix't that for you friendo.

[xZaOx]

RIP #SAVEMWO

You are all terrorists now according to this:

http://mwomercs.com/...arrior-justice/

[Heffay]

xZaOx, on 16 September 2013 - 08:19 PM, said:

RIP #SAVEMWO

You are all terrorists now according to this:

http://mwomercs.com/...arrior-justice/

Being a little overly dramatic, aren't you?

[Asmosis]

These forums usually are.

[Stormwolf]

xZaOx, on 16 September 2013 - 08:19 PM, said:

RIP #SAVEMWO

You are all terrorists now according to this:

http://mwomercs.com/...arrior-justice/

These got some good chuckles out of me:

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• Posts, shares, or refers to bodily functions; or

So, I'm in violation of the forum rules when I link to a page that explains how a kidney works.

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• Generates petitions or biased Suggestion polls; or
  
• Demands response or acknowledgement of their posts or concerns; or
  
• Negatively calls-out one or more staff members; or
  
• Posts intentions to disrupt support and/or services, or urges others to; or
  
• Posts intentions to quit, or urges others to;

The right to protest and freedom of speech, are recognized human rights. I realize this is the Internet and too many people QQ and post stupid garbage, but these rules are just a weak excuse to shut up anybody who doesn't fall in line with PGI.

[PlatypusKnight]

xZaOx, on 16 September 2013 - 08:19 PM, said:

RIP #SAVEMWO

You are all terrorists now according to this:

http://mwomercs.com/...arrior-justice/

It is rather ironic, and somewhat hilarious, that these rules are posted 24 hrs before Launch. I guess that PGI feels they need to get in a preemptive strike against the open discussion, and potential backlash, of PGI's failure to deliver once the game is "officially" launched today. Like most repressive regimes, they have to clamp down on the vocal opposition so that the only version of reality that anyone hears is PGI's...

[MustrumRidcully]

Heffay, on 16 September 2013 - 12:04 PM, said:

12v12. No one ever has to play with 3PV if they don't want.

If that's your standard...

Even without the 12v12 option, you're never forced to play MW:O at all, so no one has to play with or against 3PV.

It seems relatively (compared to other goals, like "Community Warfare in 3 months" or "good balance on release or" "cure of cancer") easy to actually hold to that promise. Just create a sepate 1PV and seperate 3PV queue and be done with it. If people cry that they don't get 1PV or 3PV matches, well, tell them that this is the result of the split.
But if 3PV really attracts more players, I would expect this not to be an issue for long. If it doesn't, I question the viability of the whole idea.

[MustrumRidcully]

Stormwolf, on 16 September 2013 - 10:05 PM, said:

These got some good chuckles out of me:



So, I'm in violation of the forum rules when I link to a page that explains how a kidney works.



The right to protest and freedom of speech, are recognized human rights. I realize this is the Internet and too many people QQ and post stupid garbage, but these rules are just a weak excuse to shut up anybody who doesn't fall in line with PGI.

And if the government is trying to take these rights away from you, you have the right (and some might say moral obligitation) to fight it.

But this forum is not government run. It's basically private property, and what do you do with people that call you *****, liar, and other insults in your private home repeatedly?
You probably will ask them to leave.

And if you want them to not wear shoes or jump on one leg, you can expect them to do that too or have them leave, too.

On the other side, you have also every right to not do any more business with people that ask you to jump on one leg in their home or throw you out for whatever reason.


Remember, I am not a PGI apologist, but privately run forums do not fall under freedom of speech or right to protest. You can still disagree with ****** policies, however, but you will have to bring something else than constitutional or human rights here.

[StandingCow]

Yep, what Mustrum said, forums are private property, and they can do whatever they want.

[Silent]

LakeDaemon, on 16 September 2013 - 10:52 AM, said:

The fact that the forums are the only venue for the community to talk doesn’t help. We need a chat lobby. The community needs a chat venue so we can rally around this game. When CW is rolled out and the chat lobby part of it appears, the forums will become a lot less negative and less central.

Look at this guy still thinking CW is coming out.

[Stormwolf]

StandingCow, on 17 September 2013 - 03:37 AM, said:

Yep, what Mustrum said, forums are private property, and they can do whatever they want.

Even so, PGI is a company and the forums are a way of contacting them.
I compare this to a store where you can't criticize the quality of a product or a service that was poorly rendered.

I used to work at a store and plenty of people had valid concerns if something wasn't right. I couldn't very well say "this store is the private property of the soulless^tm mega corporation, please exit the way you entered your complaint isn't allowed here".

[Heffay]

Stormwolf, on 17 September 2013 - 05:13 AM, said:

Even so, PGI is a company and the forums are a way of contacting them.
I compare this to a store where you can't criticize the quality of a product or a service that was poorly rendered.

That's not quite right. The forums are generally created for PGI to provide information to the player base, and for the players to discuss among themselves the game. The proper way of contacting PGI about an issue is through the ticket system.

There is no "discussion" to be had with PGI, nor should there be. You can provide constructive feedback, but they are under no obligation to answer you.

[Stormwolf]

Heffay, on 17 September 2013 - 05:38 AM, said:

That's not quite right. The forums are generally created for PGI to provide information to the player base, and for the players to discuss among themselves the game. The proper way of contacting PGI about an issue is through the ticket system.

There is no "discussion" to be had with PGI, nor should there be. You can provide constructive feedback, but they are under no obligation to answer you.

We were supposed to be beta testers here, our feedback should matter.

But I suppose that it won't matter anymore after today, the reviews should be rolling in soon. Todays patch better be a good one for PGI's sake.

[Heffay]

Stormwolf, on 17 September 2013 - 05:52 AM, said:

We were supposed to be beta testers here, our feedback should matter.

We are, and it has. Lots of tweaking has happened based on player feedback. We've provided tons of data that they can use to make game balance decisions.

Edited by Heffay, 17 September 2013 - 05:55 AM.

[PlzDie]

Since when is it an insult to point out a lie, or say that a liar is a liar. If you steal something you are a thief, and if you lie you are a liar. It is only an insult if it is not true.

[Heffay]

Duppie1974, on 17 September 2013 - 06:01 AM, said:

Since when is it an insult to point out a lie, or say that a liar is a liar. If you steal something you are a thief, and if you lie you are a liar. It is only an insult if it is not true.

Changing your mind doesn't make you a liar.

[Stormwolf]

Heffay, on 17 September 2013 - 05:54 AM, said:

We are, and it has. Lots of tweaking has happened based on player feedback. We've provided tons of data that they can use to make game balance decisions.

We never mattered my friend, the only thing that we were ever used for was to test the stress on the servers, nothing else.
The inclusion of 3pv and the early implementation of ECM should prove that.

[Heffay]

Stormwolf, on 17 September 2013 - 06:03 AM, said:

We never mattered my friend, the only thing that we were ever used for was to test the stress on the servers, nothing else.
The inclusion of 3pv and the early implementation of ECM should prove that.

Just because they disagree with your vision of what the game should be like doesn't mean they don't listen to feedback.

Your mistake is thinking your opinion is in the majority or even good for the game.

[Stormwolf]

Heffay, on 17 September 2013 - 06:05 AM, said:

Just because they disagree with your vision of what the game should be like doesn't mean they don't listen to feedback.

They really don't listen to any feedback, especially since these forums were considered too toxic and they pointed this out serveral times.

Heffay, on 17 September 2013 - 06:05 AM, said:

Your mistake is thinking your opinion is in the majority or even good for the game.

Right, I forgot that I was part of the vocal minority.

Are you in the silent majority?