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[Angel of Annihilation]

Mcgral18, on 22 August 2013 - 10:33 AM, said:

You'll get their stock loadout, with guaranteed hardpoints. There may be extra hardpoints for balance, but you get a good picture of what you're buying.

Not really.

For example one of the mechs I am looking forward to the most is the TDR-9SE.

We know from the TROs that it will have the following Hardpoints:

RA: 1 E
LT: 3 E and 1 M.

That is 5 hardpoints, but usually we see 7 or 8 so what are the other 3 and where are they located? are we going to see an additional Missile hardpoint crammed into the already over populated LT? Maybe an additional Energy on the RA? Perhaps they will not even add additional Hardpoints so what then?

How about the SHD-5M

RA: Energy
RT: Missile
LT: Ballastic
HD: Missile

That is 4. Again 2 Energy on the RA? 2 Missile RT? or something else entirely.

We can try to guess but knowing how many and what type is vital to trying to figure out the relative effectiveness of a mech so I can sort of understand why people want to know more about the standard variants before buying.

Honestly, I didn't find it much of an issue personally and have already purchased the Overlord Package because even without knowing it is an obvious steal of a deal but I guess for some that isn't so obvious.

In the end, it really wouldn't hurt for them to release the configurations though and if nothing else it would give us something to talk about on the forums aisde from the PPC meta or C-bill nerf plus more people would buy.

[Khobai]

Im kindve disappointed the Project Phoenix unlock hasnt been going backwards with all the people that demanded refunds.

[L1f3H4ck]

Yeah, I bought the big package, so the meter seems kinda pointless to me. It's not like I can do anything about it now. Although I DO have 2 vacant founder's accounts. Hm...

[Levi Porphyrogenitus]

Imperius, on 21 August 2013 - 10:31 PM, said:

I bought the project phoenix pack overlord tier. I see this bar and the main page as well as the game launcher advertising community rewards. I think it's kind of BS that we may not unlock all the rewards if there isn't enough people to jump on the wagon and buy it. I feel kinda cheated anyone else feel that way about it? I think if you bought it you should get all the rewards regardless if others bought it.

Considering that you bought the package for the actual package content, and only well after the initial announcement did PGI say they were adding tiered bonuses based on overall sales numbers, it seems to me that you haven't a leg to stand on here.

It has become standard practice now for vendors to offer scaling rewards when a pre-order offer is on the table. For example, Valve does it all the time for many of the games they sell through Steam.

In the end, though, would you rather just get the basic package, or have the chance to get a few bonuses on top of it? I know I prefer getting more swag to getting less.

[Max Liao]

Perilthecat, on 24 August 2013 - 11:42 AM, said:

Do you not like the game? Do you not find it fun? Do you not want it to succeed so that it will still be around in 5 years?

At this point, no, I don't - to all three questions - but this has nothing to do with whether they give free stuff or not, it's about what the game is (and isn't).

Perilthecat, on 24 August 2013 - 11:42 AM, said:

Maybe you should stop playing. Delete the game ...

I did, which is why I want my Project Phoenix money back. It's still sealed in its original wrapper, never to be used.

[soarra]

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Edited by soarra, 28 August 2013 - 05:34 AM.

[General Taskeen]

The 'reward unlocks' is a marketing gimmick to justify a pre-order purchase for a 'feel good vibe' extra incentive, nothing more - it doesn't even state what the goal is.

The same gimmick is used on other games too (see Steam pre-orders) - and pretty much every one I have seen always reaches "tier 3 reward" in every case.

[Tolkien]

I also forced a refund on my Phoenix pack because I am very disappointed by the introduction of 3pv after an explicit promise that we wouldn't be forced to play against/with it.

I am one of the people who became a founder when all of the publicity material and the devs themselves were still shouting this was a first person game, and would not have paid $120 to support development of a new 3rd person MW game.

When a person or a business does this the only way to make them stop is to stop rewarding them financially.

General Taskeen, on 28 August 2013 - 05:09 AM, said:

The 'reward unlocks' is a marketing gimmick to justify a pre-order purchase for a 'feel good vibe' extra incentive, nothing more - it doesn't even state what the goal is.

The same gimmick is used on other games too (see Steam pre-orders) - and pretty much every one I have seen always reaches "tier 3 reward" in every case.

Agreed, it will make it to tier 3 regardless of cancellations etc. since it is a psychological marketing tactic to encourage buying behavior and to get good word of mouth going on the Phoenix pack - after all if you think you'll get free cammo and some other nice bonuses you'll pester your friends to get it too.

Edited by Tolkien, 28 August 2013 - 05:15 AM.

[RetroActive]

Max Liao, on 28 August 2013 - 04:54 AM, said:

At this point, no, I don't - to all three questions - but this has nothing to do with whether they give free stuff or not, it's about what the game is (and isn't).

I did, which is why I want my Project Phoenix money back. It's still sealed in its original wrapper, never to be used.

Yes, Max, we know you're quitting. We saw the post you made about it. Why are you still lurking the forums if you're never going to play the game again?

[Imperius]

General Taskeen, on 28 August 2013 - 05:09 AM, said:

The 'reward unlocks' is a marketing gimmick to justify a pre-order purchase for a 'feel good vibe' extra incentive, nothing more - it doesn't even state what the goal is.

The same gimmick is used on other games too (see Steam pre-orders) - and pretty much every one I have seen always reaches "tier 3 reward" in every case.

That's kinda my point. Just give it to us and not have me worry I'll miss out on content. I'm not trying to say I'm entitled to it, more of I feel cheated this is how they sell it up. Why not advertise, We sweetened the Phoenix package check it out, and if you already paid for it you're good to go.

Edited by Imperius, 28 August 2013 - 02:12 PM.

[Captain Stiffy]

All of this was planned. Somewhere in their company someone has a powerpoint presentation describing this entire rollout.

Imperius, on 28 August 2013 - 02:11 PM, said:

That's kinda my point. Just give it to us and not have me worry I'll miss out on content. I'm not trying to say I'm entitled to it, more of I feel cheated this is how they sell it up. Why not advertise, We sweetened the Phoenix package check it out, and if you already paid for it you're good to go.

They should be throwing every single thing they have at us trying to get us to buy in before launch, instead they are playing something that to the end-user feels like a shell game. There is no reason for this, they are only alienating potential buyers... it's like a rabid animal hissing at you - maybe go somewhere else and find a nice kitty to take home instead.

[hashinshin]

Khobai, on 24 August 2013 - 05:10 PM, said:

Im kindve disappointed the Project Phoenix unlock hasnt been going backwards with all the people that demanded refunds.

This is what I've never understood. You people act like all ten of you are somehow significant. We're talking about a game that can roll out a 24 person game in under 10 seconds and has been doing so (albeit 16 people earlier) for over a year. A game that can churn out match after match and likely has THOUSANDS of players online at any given moment...

but yes somehow the ten or so people throwing a fit on the forums and refunding mean a lot.

[Dinochrome]

Where I come from you don't like something or don't like the way it works you vote with your feet and get out of Dodge city, never to be heard from again. Here they demand refunds and we still have to listen to that hi pitched whine about what doesn't suit them. When I play a game and hear that whine I truly enjoy knowing they are not in the game with me. V/R Dinochrome

[Zerberus]

hashinshin, on 28 August 2013 - 02:15 PM, said:

This is what I've never understood. You people act like all ten of you are somehow significant. We're talking about a game that can roll out a 24 person game in under 10 seconds and has been doing so (albeit 16 people earlier) for over a year. A game that can churn out match after match and likely has THOUSANDS of players online at any given moment...

but yes somehow the ten or so people throwing a fit on the forums and refunding mean a lot.

I`ve said it before and I`ll say it again: No matter how entitled or high-and-mighty this horde may feel (Yes, I do in fact feel "community" is stretching it with respect to these forums, as a community thrives on mutual respect and trust and this one has displayed little to none of either ever since the game went open beta, long before "the devs ruined the game" by teh acounts of the same people), it is still immensely dwarfed by the other communities of MWO players operating around the world. The german MWO communites alone make this place look like a small local chapter in comparison.

It is also by far the most toxic if ALL the MWO or BT communities, especially towards both new /"uncompetitive" players and the game developers themselves.

And despite all of this, this motley crew still feels that it is the be-all and end-all of MWO, and acts as if every one of us were indicative of thousands of other players, instead of just our own selves.? Go figure.... 0.o

Edited by Zerberus, 28 August 2013 - 02:54 PM.

[Sparks Murphey]

Khobai, on 24 August 2013 - 05:10 PM, said:

Im kindve disappointed the Project Phoenix unlock hasnt been going backwards with all the people that demanded refunds.

*All* the people.

I've been watching the bar eagerly. Over the week surrounding the 3PV debacle, it slowed above the 's' in 'Phase 02'. Then it got moving again upwards. You're not as important as you think you are.

Edited by Sparks Murphey, 28 August 2013 - 03:03 PM.

[Tsula]

Have you ever heard of a stretch goal.

Stretch goal: Is a funding target set by the project creator beyond the original Kickstarter goal. Stretch goals as a term and a practice emerged from the Kickstarter community as a way for creators to "stretch" beyond the initial, official goal of the Kickstarter project and raise more money (and often make cooler stuff!). Funds are collected whether stretch goals are met or not, as long as the project has met its Kickstarter funding goal.

[Pezzer]

Didn't read all the posts, just wanted to jump in real fast, sorry guys.

I personally feel like a cheater with the way they set the Pheonix package up. It seems unfair to me that we get all of these variants/Mechs months in advance of FTP users. They should make all of these variants either come out on Oct, or have 2 released to the public in Oct. and 2 released to the public on Nov, followed by one or both of the Sabers in December. Whenever Pheonix comes out I'm going to feel really cheesy, simply because I have several Mechs that not everyone else on the battlefield even has access to. I mean, sure, it's cool to "test-pilot a prototype Mech", but at the same time it feels super unfair.
I could almost compare it to getting Clan Tech earlier than everyone else because I bought a pre-order package. Doesn't seem like a good marketing technique imo, but maybe all the non-Pheonixers will whine to get the mechs they deserve.

Btw, this isn't me complaining about Project Pheonix, it's just me saying that the idea doesn't look right on paper. I'm glad to have it, but will feel guilty until everyone else can have those same mechs too.

[Devari]

LULWUT?  Did I seriously read a thread someone started to complain about being given something for free?  Mmmmmkay.  Sure, that makes sense.  You know, on that topic, I hate it when someone pays for my coffee at the drivethru.  I mean, it's really not fair to everyone else in the line.  Shouldn't they pay for everyone else's coffee?  Aren't there more people who need a free coffee?  And why didn't they buy me a donut too?  Really, who just orders someone a coffee?

Edited by Devari, 28 August 2013 - 09:54 PM.

[Devari]

Pezzer, on 28 August 2013 - 04:04 PM, said:

I personally feel like a cheater with the way they set the Pheonix package up. It seems unfair to me that we get all of these variants/Mechs months in advance of FTP users.

Well, do you feel like a cheater when you buy other things? I mean, you get those other things you buy right away, other people might need to save up and buy them later? Is that "unfair"? People really need to stop using the word "fair" when it doesn't apply to a situation at all. When you buy something, and get what you pay for, there's nothing "unfair" about other people who choosing not to make that same purchase. "Fairness" just doesn't enter into it at all, in any way, unless someone doesn't get what they pay for. That's like saying, I pre-ordered something, now I get it immediately upon release, and I should feel bad that other people need to wait? Well, they didn't pre-order, and I did. How could I possibly feel bad for their choice not being the same as mine? I just can't fathom how that could be unfair to them in any possible way.

[Max Liao]

RetroActive, on 28 August 2013 - 09:47 AM, said:

Yes, Max, we know you're quitting. We saw the post you made about it. Why are you still lurking the forums if you're never going to play the game again?

Because it's the Internet and what is the Internet for? P-o-r-n and opining where people don't care.

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Why do I care what you think? This is the Internet, so the only opinion that matters is mine.

Besides, what else am I going to do at work? I'm certainly not going to work, I have minions for that; and this computer isn't powerful enough to play games. So, I'm going to yap and blab on forums. Maybe one day I'll wake up to a miracle and see that MWO has turned into the perfect game to which I can dump $5-10K a year for the rest of my life.